US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Cisairse]

Those states that lack specif police officer sexual statutes typically have government official statutes that apply to police officers.
Texas for instance.

Obviously that should be prosecuted as rape.

Sex with someone in custody should ALSO be specifically banned. All the prisoner would need to prove is that sex occurred, they would not have to prove the (almost impossible) claim that they were coerced.

And they would not have to prove that they resisted. Shit, man, does a person have to physically resist to prove to a court that rape occurred?

I'm thinking of firming it up now. Police should not be allowed to have sex on duty. Period.

Pretty sure if most workers had sex on the clock they'd be fired anyway.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Obviously that should be prosecuted as rape.

Sex with someone in custody should ALSO be specifically banned. All the prisoner would need to prove is that sex occurred, they would not have to prove the (almost impossible) claim that they were coerced.

And they would not have to prove that they resisted. Shit, man, does a person have to physically resist to prove to a court that rape occurred?

I'm thinking of firming it up now. Police should not be allowed to have sex on duty. Period.

Pretty sure if most workers had sex on the clock they'd be fired anyway.

Unless they're cops. Are you unconcerned about the opportunity arrest provides for police to coerce sex from a civilian, and blackmail them with a charge to keep them quiet after that?

Or in fact the terrible effect on the public's view of the police, if that does happen?

[Ifreann]

Replace the cops.

So how do you make the current cops not be cops?

Maybe...fire them all?

Exactly like I said?

Weren't you arguing for firing the cops and not replacing them, but instead relying on social services that work as long as sociopathy doesn't enter the equation?

I just said fire all cops and you took that and ran with it.

[Gormwood]

Weren't you arguing for firing the cops and not replacing them, but instead relying on social services that work as long as sociopathy doesn't enter the equation?

I just said fire all cops and you took that and ran with it.

Gee, i wonder why...

I've said before that I think they should quit the police force entirely since they obvioulsy are incompetent and poorly trained.

I'øø throw this into the mix as well:

Police are human. They will make bad decisions sometimes even if they are good cops. You can understand how a bad decision gets made in snap-encounters.

Do I think these police should be prosecuted? Yes.

Do I think that, regardless of the outcome of criminal prosecution, they should ever be allowed to put on the uniform again? Absolutely not.

However, I am open to the possibility that these are good men who made a terrible mistake and simply lack the faculties and temperament to be professional law enforcement officers.

But what about the police around them who see what has happened and do nothing?

These officers are witness to an assault that they were not a part of. They have no “heat of the moment” excuse. And their first move is not to help the citizen they have sworn an oath to protect, but to cover up for colleagues who have just committed what may be a criminal offense.

It is hard to view these officers as anything but fully corrupt. Every one of them should lose their badge.

The deepest corruption, though, is the press release.

Because this is not the act of a single person operating under constraints of time and space. It’s the product of an organization.

That means multiple sets of eyes and multiple lies. It means people had the luxury of time to deliberate before acting and their choice was to deceive the public.

When you find a bad cop, it means that he can’t be trusted.

When you see a gaggle of cops covering for a bad cop, it means the culture is corrupt.

When you read a press release issued by the department claiming that a man who was assaulted by cops “tripped & fell” as a result of a “skirmish,” it tells you that the entire institution is rotten.

https://thebulwark.com/newsletter-issue/the-three-levels-of-corruption-in-the-buffalo-police-assault-video/

Mhmm. All cops are bad.

[Ifreann]

I just said fire all cops and you took that and ran with it.

Gee, i wonder why...

Mhmm. All cops are bad.

You want to fire all the cops too, remember? Do you want to fire them because you think they're good?

[Cisairse]

Pretty sure if most workers had sex on the clock they'd be fired anyway.

Unless they're cops. Are you unconcerned about the opportunity arrest provides for police to coerce sex from a civilian, and blackmail them with a charge to keep them quiet after that?

Or in fact the terrible effect on the public's view of the police, if that does happen?

Of course not, I support police abolition. I think you've misinterpreted my post somewhat.

[Gormwood]

Gee, i wonder why...

You want to fire all the cops too, remember? Do you want to fire them because you think they're good?

Oh now you're playing semantics. You want to abolish police altogether. I want the current batch replaced with better disciplined and trained officers. You're the one having fantasies that people can live harmoniously without the existence of police period.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Unless they're cops. Are you unconcerned about the opportunity arrest provides for police to coerce sex from a civilian, and blackmail them with a charge to keep them quiet after that?

Or in fact the terrible effect on the public's view of the police, if that does happen?

Of course not, I support police abolition. I think you've misinterpreted my post somewhat.

Police abolition might be your ideal, but I doubt you'll get it.

In the meantime, the opportunities for police to rape members of the public should be minimized. By making it illegal for police to have sex with anyone under their custody.

Yes or no, will do.

[Alcala-Cordel]

You're right, I'm sure if we just pass laws telling the cops not to ignore the laws restricting them then everything will be fine.

But you wanted to get rid of all cops and said nothing about replacing them. So that leaves the local population to enforce the law!

Most things should be deregulated or left to social workers and other professions.

[Cisairse]

Of course not, I support police abolition. I think you've misinterpreted my post somewhat.

Police abolition might be your ideal, but I doubt you'll get it.

Plenty of my ideals have no feasible chance of being implemented. If I let that bother me, I'd drain all the fun out of politics.

In the meantime, the opportunities for police to rape members of the public should be minimized. By making it illegal for police to have sex with anyone under their custody.

Yes or no, will do.

Sure. The point of my previous post was that police are obviously being held to a different standard than regular employees, which, if the case, we should hold them to a higher standard, not a lower standard, as they currently are.

[Gormwood]

But you wanted to get rid of all cops and said nothing about replacing them. So that leaves the local population to enforce the law!

Most things should be deregulated or left to social workers and other professions.

And social workers will stop the occasional violent and sociopathic types how? Going completely without force is a stupid idea. Need something for when counseling and therapy doesn't stop the problem, or it will be like the sneers directed at the United Nations.

[Ifreann]

You want to fire all the cops too, remember? Do you want to fire them because you think they're good?

Oh now you're playing semantics.

Yep. It's fun way to approach someone taking a four sentence post and inventing the stupidest possible implementation of the idea assumed to be behind it and shitposting responses to that.

You want to abolish police altogether. I want the current batch replaced with better disciplined and trained officers. You're the one having fantasies that people can live harmoniously without the existence of police period.

You're the one having fantasies about the general lynching people unless there are cops around to professionally lynch them.

[Gormwood]

Oh now you're playing semantics.

Yep. It's fun way to approach someone taking a four sentence post and inventing the stupidest possible implementation of the idea assumed to be behind it and shitposting responses to that.

You want to abolish police altogether. I want the current batch replaced with better disciplined and trained officers. You're the one having fantasies that people can live harmoniously without the existence of police period.

You're the one having fantasies about the general lynching people unless there are cops around to professionally lynch them.

Nah, you're on some hippy dream that the only reason crime happens is because police exist.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Police abolition might be your ideal, but I doubt you'll get it.

Plenty of my ideals have no feasible chance of being implemented. If I let that bother me, I'd drain all the fun out of politics.

In the meantime, the opportunities for police to rape members of the public should be minimized. By making it illegal for police to have sex with anyone under their custody.

Yes or no, will do.

Sure. The point of my previous post was that police are obviously being held to a different standard than regular employees, which, if the case, we should hold them to a higher standard, not a lower standard, as they currently are.

Impeccable! Not letting the Perfect be the enemy of the Good

[Intrepidica]

So responding to the poll question:
No I don't think police are racist, but:
So essentially I don't think an average police officer is any more racist than a given American in the locality. However, there is significantly higher police representation in poorer, more criminally active areas in which minorities tend to reside more commonly (for reasons I will not delve into). The high level of police activity, and police "warrior" culture mentality are as far as I understand the largest causes of issues.
Now, obviously there are exceptions, there are deeply corrupt and racist police departments, and police unions, but as a whole it is naive and dangerous to say blanket statements like all cops are racist or are mean people.

[Ifreann]

Yep. It's fun way to approach someone taking a four sentence post and inventing the stupidest possible implementation of the idea assumed to be behind it and shitposting responses to that.


You're the one having fantasies about the general lynching people unless there are cops around to professionally lynch them.

Nah, you're on some hippy dream that the only reason crime happens is because police exist.

Maybe that's what you want me to believe, so as to better facilitate references to The Purge.

[Gormwood]

So responding to the poll question:
No I don't think police are racist, but:
So essentially I don't think an average police officer is any more racist than a given American in the locality. However, there is significantly higher police representation in poorer, more criminally active areas in which minorities tend to reside more commonly (for reasons I will not delve into). The high level of police activity, and police "warrior" culture mentality are as far as I understand the largest causes of issues.
Now, obviously there are exceptions, there are deeply corrupt and racist police departments, and police unions, but as a whole it is naive and dangerous to say blanket statements like all cops are racist or are mean people.

The warrior mentality needs to be shaved off police forces overall. Keep dedicated officers on SWAT teams separate from the general department, so the department is not scrambling like headless UN Blue Helmets for serious cases.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Yep. It's fun way to approach someone taking a four sentence post and inventing the stupidest possible implementation of the idea assumed to be behind it and shitposting responses to that.


You're the one having fantasies about the general lynching people unless there are cops around to professionally lynch them.

Nah, you're on some hippy dream that the only reason crime happens is because police exist.

an argument on the police between, Ifreann and Gormwood, Gormwood defending the cops, and your comments to Alcala-Cordel, now I am shocked, we agree.

[Gormwood]

Nah, you're on some hippy dream that the only reason crime happens is because police exist.

Maybe that's what you want me to believe, so as to better facilitate references to The Purge.

Can't make you believe something you believed from the start.

Mhmm. All cops are bad.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So responding to the poll question:
No I don't think police are racist, but:
So essentially I don't think an average police officer is any more racist than a given American in the locality. However, there is significantly higher police representation in poorer, more criminally active areas in which minorities tend to reside more commonly (for reasons I will not delve into).

Not much delving required. Rents are low and they're poor.

The high level of police activity, and police "warrior" culture mentality are as far as I understand the largest causes of issues.
Now, obviously there are exceptions, there are deeply corrupt and racist police departments, and police unions, but as a whole it is naive and dangerous to say blanket statements like all cops are racist or are mean people.

No, it's all cops are bastards. It's not illegal to be a bastard, it's just an attitude. I find it hard to imagine how cops could maintain a good (or even professional) attitude when a lot of the public hate them or distrust them. It's a feedback loop which must be broken.

[Ifreann]

Maybe that's what you want me to believe, so as to better facilitate references to The Purge.

Can't make you believe something you believed from the start.

Mhmm. All cops are bad.

And since I said that all cops are bad, I must believe that there should be literally no form of community defence whatsoever. I must believe the stupidest possible thing you can imagine me believing. I must believe that if we abolish the police, if we do that and literally change nothing else about society, then everything will be perfect forever.

[Gormwood]

Can't make you believe something you believed from the start.

And since I said that all cops are bad, I must believe that there should be literally no form of community defence whatsoever. I must believe the stupidest possible thing you can imagine me believing. I must believe that if we abolish the police, if we do that and literally change nothing else about society, then everything will be perfect forever.

Then perhaps you can elaborate your views on law enforcement, hmm?

[Ifreann]

And since I said that all cops are bad, I must believe that there should be literally no form of community defence whatsoever. I must believe the stupidest possible thing you can imagine me believing. I must believe that if we abolish the police, if we do that and literally change nothing else about society, then everything will be perfect forever.

Then perhaps you can elaborate your views on law enforcement, hmm?

Yes, I can, and maybe I will if I find myself in conversation with someone who might engage with those views in good faith.

[Gormwood]

Then perhaps you can elaborate your views on law enforcement, hmm?

Yes, I can, and maybe I will if I find myself in conversation with someone who might engage with those views in good faith.

So you're afraid I'll find a flaw in it so you won't elaborate. Carry on then.

[Greed and Death]

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