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Are the police racist?

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Postby Adamede » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:45 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:The mayor of Portland has been tear gassed by the Feds.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/23/us/p ... index.html

Its almost like the cops want people to hate them.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:47 pm

Adamede wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:The mayor of Portland has been tear gassed by the Feds.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/23/us/p ... index.html

Its almost like the cops want people to hate them.


They know that no matter what they do, roughly 45% of people will either have their backs unconditionally or will be like "now I don't like the police, but"
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:47 pm

Adamede wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:The mayor of Portland has been tear gassed by the Feds.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/23/us/p ... index.html

Its almost like the cops want people to hate them.

Not cops, the feds. Cops are still not allowed to use tear gas. Portland police are trying to distance themselves since they will have to deal with the aftermath when the feds leave.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:47 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:The mayor of Portland has been tear gassed by the Feds.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/23/us/p ... index.html


It is time we limit sweeping police powers the federal government has.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:49 pm

Genivaria wrote:
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How else to you expect to reduce our ridiculously high crime rate? And what about the police? Do you support the police being militarized? Because it is pretty much necessary when our populace is so heavily armed.

Ending the war on drugs, funding healthcare, funding education, not policing minority and poor communities disproportionally, do away with 3 strikes rules, and generally stop arresting people for things that shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

That last one irks me the wrong way. Cops should arrest people for things that shouldn't be illegal. It's their job to maintain the law. It's not their fault some asshole politician made a braindead law, but it's their job to uphold it. To make it the cops responsibility let's our shitty politicians get away with making shithole laws without consequences.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:54 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Adamede wrote:Its almost like the cops want people to hate them.


They know that no matter what they do, roughly 45% of people will either have their backs unconditionally or will be like "now I don't like the police, but"

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Gormwood wrote:Let's see the Fedpologists try to rationalize this.

Portland mayor tear-gassed by federal agents, riot declared


I'd hate to sound like I'm endorsing violence, but meh.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:55 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Ending the war on drugs, funding healthcare, funding education, not policing minority and poor communities disproportionally, do away with 3 strikes rules, and generally stop arresting people for things that shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

That last one irks me the wrong way. Cops should arrest people for things that shouldn't be illegal. It's their job to maintain the law. It's not their fault some asshole politician made a braindead law, but it's their job to uphold it. To make it the cops responsibility let's our shitty politicians get away with making shithole laws without consequences.


Police officers have an awful lot of latitude when they enforce laws.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:56 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Ending the war on drugs, funding healthcare, funding education, not policing minority and poor communities disproportionally, do away with 3 strikes rules, and generally stop arresting people for things that shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

That last one irks me the wrong way. Cops should arrest people for things that shouldn't be illegal. It's their job to maintain the law. It's not their fault some asshole politician made a braindead law, but it's their job to uphold it. To make it the cops responsibility let's our shitty politicians get away with making shithole laws without consequences.

Perhaps I used poor wording. Let me give an example though, Resisting Arrest.
There are hundreds of cases where police attempted to detain a Citizen without charge and their only later charge will be 'Resisting Arrest'.
This is obviously a post-hoc rationalization that the police add out of spite, if you aren't being charged with an original crime you shouldn't be able to be charged with Resisting Arrest.
In some states, the underlying arrest must be a lawful arrest. However, that is not the case in Texas: You can be charged with resisting arrest even if the arrest itself was unlawful. For evading arrest charges, you cannot be charged if the arrest was unlawful.

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/texas-law ... -laws.html
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:00 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:That last one irks me the wrong way. Cops should arrest people for things that shouldn't be illegal. It's their job to maintain the law. It's not their fault some asshole politician made a braindead law, but it's their job to uphold it. To make it the cops responsibility let's our shitty politicians get away with making shithole laws without consequences.


Police officers have an awful lot of latitude when they enforce laws.

Also it is legal for a police officer to rape a detainee in 35 states.
A person who is handcuffed and imprisoned cannot give legal consent.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/can-p ... 35-states/

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:19 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Police officers have an awful lot of latitude when they enforce laws.

Also it is legal for a police officer to rape a detainee in 35 states.
A person who is handcuffed and imprisoned cannot give legal consent.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/can-p ... 35-states/


You have a really boring sex life if you think you can not have consensual sex while handcuffed.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:24 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Also it is legal for a police officer to rape a detainee in 35 states.
A person who is handcuffed and imprisoned cannot give legal consent.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/can-p ... 35-states/


You have a really boring sex life if you think you can not have consensual sex while handcuffed.


Dude...

The line is wayyyy behind you.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:04 pm

So the police are attacking medical tents again. You know, shit that's considered a war crime if done by an army.

Presumably we're going to get chapter and verse about how this is perfectly justified self defence on the part of the cops involved.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:47 pm

Vassenor wrote:So the police are attacking medical tents again. You know, shit that's considered a war crime if done by an army.

Presumably we're going to get chapter and verse about how this is perfectly justified self defence on the part of the cops involved.

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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:57 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Adamede wrote:Its almost like the cops want people to hate them.

Not cops, the feds. Cops are still not allowed to use tear gas. Portland police are trying to distance themselves since they will have to deal with the aftermath when the feds leave.

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Postby No State Here » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:24 pm

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This shit is what gives the far right so much ammo, why do people think and do insane things?
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Postby Gagium » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:28 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Police officers have an awful lot of latitude when they enforce laws.

Also it is legal for a police officer to rape a detainee in 35 states.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/can-p ... 35-states/

Interesting, when I looked at your article the first thing I saw was "However, rape by police officers is illegal in all 50 states."
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:36 pm

No State Here wrote:Jerk

This shit is what gives the far right so much ammo, why do people think and do insane things?

Over three hundred million Americans. Dipshits doing dipshit things for an otherwise good cause will inevitably happen. In that regard, I resent the implicit idea that far right outrage is validated by these individual incidents, because that framing is never applied to the just as (if not even more) violent acts that radicalize the far left.

The far right is given the latitude to use each and every incident as an excuse for its own radicalization, while the far left gets no such latitude.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:41 pm

Gagium wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Also it is legal for a police officer to rape a detainee in 35 states.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/can-p ... 35-states/

Interesting, when I looked at your article the first thing I saw was "However, rape by police officers is illegal in all 50 states."


The question that arises is if you have a police officer who handcuffs a person and has sex with them in the back of their car, can you imagine a scenario where a prosecutor couldn't prove lack of consent ?

The handful of times I see that almost certainly involve jury nullification.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:41 pm

Gagium wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Also it is legal for a police officer to rape a detainee in 35 states.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/can-p ... 35-states/

Interesting, when I looked at your article the first thing I saw was "However, rape by police officers is illegal in all 50 states."

Rape by police officers is illegal, however there is a dangerous loophole when it comes to police officers having sex with people in their custody. Now, tell me: do you think a situation in which one person is a law enforcement officer with a monopoly on the use of violence and the other is a detainee is one in which there is enough parity in terms of power for there to be genuine consent?

Allowing cops to have sex with the people they detain presents the same problem as allowing teachers to have sex with their students... only it's even worse, because teachers' authority over students doesn't come with a monopoly on the use of violence.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:42 pm

Liriena wrote:
No State Here wrote:Jerk

This shit is what gives the far right so much ammo, why do people think and do insane things?

Over three hundred million Americans. Dipshits doing dipshit things for an otherwise good cause will inevitably happen. In that regard, I resent the implicit idea that far right outrage is validated by these individual incidents, because that framing is never applied to the just as (if not even more) violent acts that radicalize the far left.

The far right is given the latitude to use each and every incident as an excuse for its own radicalization, while the far left gets no such latitude.

The far right alienates so many people that we leftists are getting a huge surge in new comrades.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:47 pm

No State Here wrote:Jerk

This shit is what gives the far right so much ammo, why do people think and do insane things?

We live in an insane world.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:59 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Liriena wrote:Over three hundred million Americans. Dipshits doing dipshit things for an otherwise good cause will inevitably happen. In that regard, I resent the implicit idea that far right outrage is validated by these individual incidents, because that framing is never applied to the just as (if not even more) violent acts that radicalize the far left.

The far right is given the latitude to use each and every incident as an excuse for its own radicalization, while the far left gets no such latitude.

The far right alienates so many people that we leftists are getting a huge surge in new comrades.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:20 pm

No State Here wrote:Jerk

This shit is what gives the far right so much ammo, why do people think and do insane things?


*shrugs* would it make a difference?

The right is outraged over wearing masks. The crime against this kid. Yet, when it comes to police brutality/murder. “Uhmm hey uhh that’s not right” or “well you know he was committing a crime”
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Postby Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:39 pm

Adamede wrote:
No State Here wrote:Jerk

This shit is what gives the far right so much ammo, why do people think and do insane things?

We live in an insane world.

I feel like the "we live in a society" meme might actually apply to the situation in America rn
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:47 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
No State Here wrote:Jerk

This shit is what gives the far right so much ammo, why do people think and do insane things?


*shrugs* would it make a difference?

The right is outraged over wearing masks. The crime against this kid. Yet, when it comes to police brutality/murder. “Uhmm hey uhh that’s not right” or “well you know he was committing a crime”

The far right specifically will always find an excuse for their violent fantasies. Let's not forget how often the far right blames their own radicalization on some dumb shit about video games.
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