US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Bienenhalde]

There will always be incidents of bad cops, just like there are good cops, no matter what police reforms they make, no matter by how much they defund the police. If they disband the police, more crimes by the bad guys of all ethnic and racial groups. Reminds me of a Batman Episode, where The Penguin is elected mayor, and the villains take over Gothham City.

I'm not advocating for disbanding the police though. Just getting rid of some of the more... ridiculous stuff.

I don't think the police seriously need military-level equipment. They can do fine without things that the army uses.

Rather, we should instead put more funding into training so the police can live without needing military equipment.

Before we can demilitarize the police, we need to implement stronger gun control laws so that American "civilians" cannot have military-style weapons either.

[Adamede]

I'm not advocating for disbanding the police though. Just getting rid of some of the more... ridiculous stuff.

I don't think the police seriously need military-level equipment. They can do fine without things that the army uses.

Rather, we should instead put more funding into training so the police can live without needing military equipment.

Before we can demilitarize the police, we need to implement stronger gun control laws so that American "civilians" cannot have military-style weapons either.

Pretty hard to get actual military weapons as a civilian in the US. If you mean guns that look scary, plenty of just as effective firearms that are known to the public as hunting and self defense weapons.

And considering that the American public has had access to these weapons for far longer than the police have been majorly militarized with APCs and camouflage I don't see why disarming the populace is a requirement.

[Grinning Dragon]

I'm not advocating for disbanding the police though. Just getting rid of some of the more... ridiculous stuff.

I don't think the police seriously need military-level equipment. They can do fine without things that the army uses.

Rather, we should instead put more funding into training so the police can live without needing military equipment.

Before we can demilitarize the police, we need to implement stronger gun control laws so that American "civilians" cannot have military-style weapons either.

"military style weapons" is such a retarded standard to employ.
Just about 90% of available firearms at one time were considered "military style"
So a big NO on gun control laws.

[Juristonia]

Before we can demilitarize the police, we need to implement stronger gun control laws so that American "civilians" cannot have military-style weapons either.

"military style weapons" is such a retarded standard to employ.
Just about 90% of available firearms at one time were considered "military style"
So a big NO on gun control laws.

Cool, in that case ban them all.
You'll get them back when enough of you can show you know how to behave.

[Adamede]

Before we can demilitarize the police, we need to implement stronger gun control laws so that American "civilians" cannot have military-style weapons either.

"military style weapons" is such a retarded standard to employ.
Just about 90% of available firearms at one time were considered "military style"
So a big NO on gun control laws.

I mean the military still makes use of a large variety of weapons that are common the civilian market, such as handguns, bolt action rifles, repeating shotguns, etc.

[Grinning Dragon]

"military style weapons" is such a retarded standard to employ.
Just about 90% of available firearms at one time were considered "military style"
So a big NO on gun control laws.

I mean the military still makes use of a large variety of weapons that are common the civilian market, such as handguns, bolt action rifles, repeating shotguns, etc.

I suppose I could have worded mine a bit better, but yes I agree.

[Bienenhalde]

Before we can demilitarize the police, we need to implement stronger gun control laws so that American "civilians" cannot have military-style weapons either.

"military style weapons" is such a retarded standard to employ.
Just about 90% of available firearms at one time were considered "military style"
So a big NO on gun control laws.

How else to you expect to reduce our ridiculously high crime rate? And what about the police? Do you support the police being militarized? Because it is pretty much necessary when our populace is so heavily armed.

[Adamede]

"military style weapons" is such a retarded standard to employ.
Just about 90% of available firearms at one time were considered "military style"
So a big NO on gun control laws.

Cool, in that case ban them all.
You'll get them back when enough of you can show you know how to behave.

Yah we both know that's not how it works.

[Adamede]

"military style weapons" is such a retarded standard to employ.
Just about 90% of available firearms at one time were considered "military style"
So a big NO on gun control laws.

How else to you expect to reduce our ridiculously high crime rate? And what about the police? Do you support the police being militarized? Because it is pretty much necessary when our populace is so heavily armed.

Our populace has been pretty heavily armed for a long time now, and for much of that time with the same weaponry that most militaries used, yet police militarization is a very recent phenomenon.

[Bienenhalde]

Liberals keep insisting we defund the police, but don't the police need more funding to be properly trained? If the police don't receive more funding, then it will be harder for them to treat white people the same way they treat black people.

[Bienenhalde]

How else to you expect to reduce our ridiculously high crime rate? And what about the police? Do you support the police being militarized? Because it is pretty much necessary when our populace is so heavily armed.

Our populace has been pretty heavily armed for a long time now, and for much of that time with the same weaponry that most militaries used, yet police militarization is a very recent phenomenon.

I would rather not go back to seeing our rural areas become the wild west with outlaws and vigilantes everywhere, or having our entire cities become gang and crime ridden no-go zones.

[Grinning Dragon]

"military style weapons" is such a retarded standard to employ.
Just about 90% of available firearms at one time were considered "military style"
So a big NO on gun control laws.

How else to you expect to reduce our ridiculously high crime rate? And what about the police? Do you support the police being militarized? Because it is pretty much necessary when our populace is so heavily armed.

Ahh, so I see, in order for police depts. to clean up their shit, it's everyone elses fault in why they are shit?
I will admit I am not a big fan of militarized police, but I also wouldn't place that's the reason as to why its a response for an armed populace, considering a majority of the armed populace is quite law abiding.
Not a big fan of restricting negative rights because a very small percentage decided to abuse that right.

[Stellar Colonies]

Liberals keep insisting we defund the police, but don't the police need more funding to be properly trained? If the police don't receive more funding, then it will be harder for them to treat white people the same way they treat black people.

Some people who want to 'defund' police want to use the money split from the police budget to create new organizations for handle some responsibilities currently placed on many US police.

[Adamede]

Our populace has been pretty heavily armed for a long time now, and for much of that time with the same weaponry that most militaries used, yet police militarization is a very recent phenomenon.

I would rather not go back to seeing our rural areas become the wild west with outlaws and vigilantes everywhere, or having our entire cities become gang and crime ridden no-go zones.

You realize the Wild West was actually far less violent than Hollywood depictions right?

And also, despite an increase in the amount of guns in civilian ownership in the US, violent crime of all types has been going down in the US for decades, since at least the 90's iirc.

Sounds to me more like you're basing your conceptions off of depictions from popular media than anything else.

[Adamede]

Liberals keep insisting we defund the police, but don't the police need more funding to be properly trained? If the police don't receive more funding, then it will be harder for them to treat white people the same way they treat black people.

Some people who want to 'defund' police want to use the money split from the police budget to create new organizations for handle some responsibilities currently placed on many US police.

I think it would be better to keep the police budgets what they are and put that money towards training and hiring better police officers and having any split off groups funded separately.

[Bienenhalde]

Some people who want to 'defund' police want to use the money split from the police budget to create new organizations for handle some responsibilities currently placed on many US police.

And how do we know that such activities actually take up such a large portion of police funds? What if the police don't have sufficient funding and resources to deal with violent crime? I don't want to risk that.

[Bienenhalde]

And also, despite an increase in the amount of guns in civilian ownership in the US, violent crime of all types has been going down in the US for decades, since at least the 90's iirc.

My understanding is that violent crime has been going down because of strong, effective, well-funded police departments. Which people seem intent on undermining now.

[Adamede]

And also, despite an increase in the amount of guns in civilian ownership in the US, violent crime of all types has been going down in the US for decades, since at least the 90's iirc.

My understanding is that violent crime has been going down because of strong, effective, well-funded police departments. Which people seem intent on undermining now.

I've never seen any data pointing to that specifically.

[Greed and Death]

And also, despite an increase in the amount of guns in civilian ownership in the US, violent crime of all types has been going down in the US for decades, since at least the 90's iirc.

My understanding is that violent crime has been going down because of strong, effective, well-funded police departments. Which people seem intent on undermining now.

I would put more of it on changing demographics (less young people) and effective birth control( less unplanned pregnancies).

[Fartsniffage]

My understanding is that violent crime has been going down because of strong, effective, well-funded police departments. Which people seem intent on undermining now.

I would put more of it on changing demographics (less young people) and effective birth control( less unplanned pregnancies).

Also, the removal of lead from petrol.

[Greed and Death]

I would put more of it on changing demographics (less young people) and effective birth control( less unplanned pregnancies).

Also, the removal of lead from petrol.

That too. Particularly in urban areas where lead in the air would get particularly high.

Someone reads freakonomics.

[Genivaria]

"military style weapons" is such a retarded standard to employ.
Just about 90% of available firearms at one time were considered "military style"
So a big NO on gun control laws.

How else to you expect to reduce our ridiculously high crime rate? And what about the police? Do you support the police being militarized? Because it is pretty much necessary when our populace is so heavily armed.

Ending the war on drugs, funding healthcare, funding education, not policing minority and poor communities disproportionally, do away with 3 strikes rules, and generally stop arresting people for things that shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

[Genivaria]

Some people who want to 'defund' police want to use the money split from the police budget to create new organizations for handle some responsibilities currently placed on many US police.

And how do we know that such activities actually take up such a large portion of police funds? What if the police don't have sufficient funding and resources to deal with violent crime? I don't want to risk that.

Because the police say as much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtnQ2GqBeg

[Neutraligon]

How else to you expect to reduce our ridiculously high crime rate? And what about the police? Do you support the police being militarized? Because it is pretty much necessary when our populace is so heavily armed.

Ending the war on drugs, funding healthcare, funding education, not policing minority and poor communities disproportionally, do away with 3 strikes rules, and generally stop arresting people for things that shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

Don't forget having mental health experts respond to those who have mental health issues (possibly with police assistance in case they get violence).

[Fartsniffage]

The mayor of Portland has been tear gassed by the Feds.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/23/us/p ... index.html