US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[The Black Forrest]

Any numbers on that? Talking out of 700000 cops; who many do that?

Sure there are memes. It’s also edgy to be anti-cop now as well.

I will have to admit; I am at a loss for them doing the things they are doing especially now with everybody watching.

It was edgy to be anti-cop, now it's going mainstream.

It’s still edgy when the mainstream actives go home. Let’s see what serious changes happen across the country. We do have charging in cases. It is going to be a common practice or is it “sacrificial lambs” as too many people are seeing the videos?

[The Black Forrest]

The BLM effort did have some changes.

Companies are reviewing their imagery for Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben and Mrs. Butterworth.

https://www.eater.com/2020/6/18/2129557 ... criticisms

Aunt Jemima was over 100 years old.

https://www.newser.com/story/292372/aun ... n=20200617

Land o Lakes finally dropped the “butter maiden”. Always thought that one was lame.

Times change and so should product imagery.

Private businesses are in their right to change logos

And the non-sequitur award goes to......

[Rojava Free State]

The BLM effort did have some changes.

Companies are reviewing their imagery for Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben and Mrs. Butterworth.

https://www.eater.com/2020/6/18/2129557 ... criticisms

Aunt Jemima was over 100 years old.

https://www.newser.com/story/292372/aun ... n=20200617

Land o Lakes finally dropped the “butter maiden”. Always thought that one was lame.

Times change and so should product imagery.

What's so bad about uncle Ben though? He looks like, well, kindly old uncle Ben.

He doesn't look like some stereotypical black face parody. He looks like one of my friends' grandfathers.

[San Lumen]

The BLM effort did have some changes.

Companies are reviewing their imagery for Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben and Mrs. Butterworth.

https://www.eater.com/2020/6/18/2129557 ... criticisms

Aunt Jemima was over 100 years old.

https://www.newser.com/story/292372/aun ... n=20200617

Land o Lakes finally dropped the “butter maiden”. Always thought that one was lame.

Times change and so should product imagery.

what's wrong with Uncle Ben? I don't see why it needs to be changed.

[The Emerald Legion]

I mean. I don't disagree with the notion of them being terrorists. Though I do think one shouldn't decide such things over something petty as grafiti.

This "them" being the entirety of people identifying with BLM?

That is a question with a long and complicated answer revolving around where you draw the line between those committing terrorist acts, and those working alongside and aiding those doing so.

[Greed and Death]

The BLM effort did have some changes.

Companies are reviewing their imagery for Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben and Mrs. Butterworth.

https://www.eater.com/2020/6/18/2129557 ... criticisms

Aunt Jemima was over 100 years old.

https://www.newser.com/story/292372/aun ... n=20200617

Land o Lakes finally dropped the “butter maiden”. Always thought that one was lame.

Times change and so should product imagery.

what's wrong with Uncle Ben? I don't see why it needs to be changed.

Uncle is what white people called older black men who were subservient in some way typically as a butler or grounds keeper. Usage dates back to slavery.

[Liriena]

This "them" being the entirety of people identifying with BLM?

That is a question with a long and complicated answer revolving around where you draw the line between those committing terrorist acts, and those working alongside and aiding those doing so.

That's a very overwritten way of saying "yes".

[San Lumen]

what's wrong with Uncle Ben? I don't see why it needs to be changed.

Uncle is what white people called older black men who were subservient in some way typically as a butler or grounds keeper. Usage dates back to slavery.

I never knew that. You learn something every day

[Greed and Death]

Uncle is what white people called older black men who were subservient in some way typically as a butler or grounds keeper. Usage dates back to slavery.

I never knew that. You learn something every day

You are not from the South, it is ok. It really hasn't been used that way in decades but most of us know of it.

[The Emerald Legion]

That is a question with a long and complicated answer revolving around where you draw the line between those committing terrorist acts, and those working alongside and aiding those doing so.

That's a very overwritten way of saying "yes".

I'm sure there are some people who identify with the movement I wouldn't see as terrorists or allies thereof.

Just not the bulk of the movement.

[Hakons]

well if a lot of Republicans are voting for the libertarian that helps Biden does it not?

Yes, at this point, many Republican voters are sick of Trump and what the GOP has become. I hope this election may see a third party cross the 10% threshold

With the recent court rulings, many conservatives are fed up with Trump too. Judicial nominees were a big deal for many voters, and conservative jurists on the Supreme Court aren't looking so conservative anymore. Sen. Josh Hawley called it "the end of the conservative legal movement." Trump's nomination strategy, which is to defer to the Federalist Society, is now being rejected by a large number of people that held their nose to vote for Trump on the basis that he would provide conservative judges.

[Hakons]

We have a blue flu in Atlanta.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/raysh ... index.html

Sounds like many officers might have been exposed and the Atlanta PD might in the next few days drop below the ability to be functional.

Good. Don’t pander to the crowds for charges which sound good but won’t stick. But hell, the DA is charging some other cops (in a justifiably chargeable case) with aggravated assault or something? (the college students and their excessive force case), and says a taser is a deadly weapon there. Yet apparently, in this case - a taser is “non-lethal” and the officer shouldn’t have shot the guy. So he has two different positions for two cases when it suits him. Bullshit.

This story’s even better when you realise that supposedly, Atlanta’s mayor asked other agencies for support from their officers because of this walkout, yet they’d all caught the blue flu too - and refused to work in Atlanta.

I love to see it.

Another thing, apparently, I thought it was 5 zones not working tonight? One of the zones stayed on shift, I think?

Why don't more police units go on strike? Large portions of society vehemently hate them, despite all the good they provide. If society at large doesn't want them, then go on strike for a month or so, and have public officials/society realize the importance of what the police provide. Strangely, progressives seem to mimic 19th century capitalists in their calls to disband police unions. The police unions should take up 19th century union tactics and put their essential service force on strike.

[Cisairse]

Good. Don’t pander to the crowds for charges which sound good but won’t stick. But hell, the DA is charging some other cops (in a justifiably chargeable case) with aggravated assault or something? (the college students and their excessive force case), and says a taser is a deadly weapon there. Yet apparently, in this case - a taser is “non-lethal” and the officer shouldn’t have shot the guy. So he has two different positions for two cases when it suits him. Bullshit.

This story’s even better when you realise that supposedly, Atlanta’s mayor asked other agencies for support from their officers because of this walkout, yet they’d all caught the blue flu too - and refused to work in Atlanta.

I love to see it.

Another thing, apparently, I thought it was 5 zones not working tonight? One of the zones stayed on shift, I think?

Why don't more police units go on strike? Large portions of society vehemently hate them, despite all the good they provide. If society at large doesn't want them, then go on strike for a month or so, and have public officials/society realize the importance of what the police provide. Strangely, progressives seem to mimic 19th century capitalists in their calls to disband police unions. The police unions should take up 19th century union tactics and put their essential service force on strike.

"All the good they provide" is pretty rich.

All police going on strike for a year would save over 1000 lives.

[The Emerald Legion]

Why don't more police units go on strike? Large portions of society vehemently hate them, despite all the good they provide. If society at large doesn't want them, then go on strike for a month or so, and have public officials/society realize the importance of what the police provide. Strangely, progressives seem to mimic 19th century capitalists in their calls to disband police unions. The police unions should take up 19th century union tactics and put their essential service force on strike.

"All the good they provide" is pretty rich.

All police going on strike for a year would save over 1000 lives.

Unlikely. It would probably cost a fair few.

[Galloism]

"All the good they provide" is pretty rich.

All police going on strike for a year would save over 1000 lives.

Unlikely. It would probably cost a fair few.

To be fair, THOSE 1000 probably wouldn't die.

There might be a few tens of thousands of others, but those 1000 would probably not die.

[Hakons]

Why don't more police units go on strike? Large portions of society vehemently hate them, despite all the good they provide. If society at large doesn't want them, then go on strike for a month or so, and have public officials/society realize the importance of what the police provide. Strangely, progressives seem to mimic 19th century capitalists in their calls to disband police unions. The police unions should take up 19th century union tactics and put their essential service force on strike.

"All the good they provide" is pretty rich.

All police going on strike for a year would save over 1000 lives.

You don't think the police provide *any* good?

[Kanadorika]

Why don't more police units go on strike? Large portions of society vehemently hate them, despite all the good they provide. If society at large doesn't want them, then go on strike for a month or so, and have public officials/society realize the importance of what the police provide. Strangely, progressives seem to mimic 19th century capitalists in their calls to disband police unions. The police unions should take up 19th century union tactics and put their essential service force on strike.

"All the good they provide" is pretty rich.

All police going on strike for a year would save over 1000 lives.

What counts as police here? Are Sheriffs Departments and Highway Patrol included? What about federal agencies like park and forest Rangers? Does the Coast Guard law enforcement branch count as police?

[Shazbotdom]

I mean, I believe there are good and decent cops. Probably a lot of them.

But the "you should believe me" line of reasoning is... well... no. No one should just "believe you." That would be dumb.

I am talking about a few good decent cops I personally know, so you all should believe me, at least take my word for it.

I'm sure those cops that were arrested have friends and family who would say "You should just trust me, they were Good and Decent Cops". Sooo...Sorry if I can't just take your word for it.

[The Black Forrest]

I am talking about a few good decent cops I personally know, so you all should believe me, at least take my word for it.

I'm sure those cops that were arrested have friends and family who would say "You should just trust me, they were Good and Decent Cops". Sooo...Sorry if I can't just take your word for it.

Sounds kind of like the argument of black people being criminals. I am sure those arrested on suspicion of criminal acts have people who would say they are good decent people.

All cops bad is not going to get you far...


I had a relation who died in the line of duty. He didn’t care about skin color. If you did something wrong he was going to get you.

[Rojava Free State]

Good. Don’t pander to the crowds for charges which sound good but won’t stick. But hell, the DA is charging some other cops (in a justifiably chargeable case) with aggravated assault or something? (the college students and their excessive force case), and says a taser is a deadly weapon there. Yet apparently, in this case - a taser is “non-lethal” and the officer shouldn’t have shot the guy. So he has two different positions for two cases when it suits him. Bullshit.

This story’s even better when you realise that supposedly, Atlanta’s mayor asked other agencies for support from their officers because of this walkout, yet they’d all caught the blue flu too - and refused to work in Atlanta.

I love to see it.

Another thing, apparently, I thought it was 5 zones not working tonight? One of the zones stayed on shift, I think?

Why don't more police units go on strike? Large portions of society vehemently hate them, despite all the good they provide. If society at large doesn't want them, then go on strike for a month or so, and have public officials/society realize the importance of what the police provide. Strangely, progressives seem to mimic 19th century capitalists in their calls to disband police unions. The police unions should take up 19th century union tactics and put their essential service force on strike.

Cool. I dealt with crime issues on my own before, and I will when they're gone.

[Rojava Free State]

I'm sure those cops that were arrested have friends and family who would say "You should just trust me, they were Good and Decent Cops". Sooo...Sorry if I can't just take your word for it.

Sounds kind of like the argument of black people being criminals. I am sure those arrested on suspicion of criminal acts have people who would say they are good decent people.

All cops bad is not going to get you far...


I had a relation who died in the line of duty. He didn’t care about skin color. If you did something wrong he was going to get you.

It depends on how you define bad. Not all cops are out violating rights but most of them complacently look the other way when some do.

[Diarcesia]

Sounds kind of like the argument of black people being criminals. I am sure those arrested on suspicion of criminal acts have people who would say they are good decent people.

All cops bad is not going to get you far...


I had a relation who died in the line of duty. He didn’t care about skin color. If you did something wrong he was going to get you.

It depends on how you define bad. Not all cops are out violating rights but most of them complacently look the other way when some do.

Then that's when loyalty to your brotherhood takes precedence over loyalty to your oath to serve and protect.

I follow 40K lore and this event is very insightful on how traitor marines like the Sons of Horus willingly joined their Primarch during the Horus Heresy.

[Rojava Free State]

It depends on how you define bad. Not all cops are out violating rights but most of them complacently look the other way when some do.

Then that's when loyalty to your brotherhood takes precedence over loyalty to your oath to serve and protect.

I follow 40K lore and this event is very insightful on how traitor marines like the Sons of Horus willingly joined their Primarch during the Horus Heresy.

Their brothers don't deserve loyalty. They deserve prison.

[The Black Forrest]

Sounds kind of like the argument of black people being criminals. I am sure those arrested on suspicion of criminal acts have people who would say they are good decent people.

All cops bad is not going to get you far...


I had a relation who died in the line of duty. He didn’t care about skin color. If you did something wrong he was going to get you.

It depends on how you define bad. Not all cops are out violating rights but most of them complacently look the other way when some do.

The problem is how many are we talking about here?

A thousand? Ten thousand? What?

[Chan Island]

Good. Don’t pander to the crowds for charges which sound good but won’t stick. But hell, the DA is charging some other cops (in a justifiably chargeable case) with aggravated assault or something? (the college students and their excessive force case), and says a taser is a deadly weapon there. Yet apparently, in this case - a taser is “non-lethal” and the officer shouldn’t have shot the guy. So he has two different positions for two cases when it suits him. Bullshit.

This story’s even better when you realise that supposedly, Atlanta’s mayor asked other agencies for support from their officers because of this walkout, yet they’d all caught the blue flu too - and refused to work in Atlanta.

I love to see it.

Another thing, apparently, I thought it was 5 zones not working tonight? One of the zones stayed on shift, I think?

Why don't more police units go on strike? Large portions of society vehemently hate them, despite all the good they provide. If society at large doesn't want them, then go on strike for a month or so, and have public officials/society realize the importance of what the police provide. Strangely, progressives seem to mimic 19th century capitalists in their calls to disband police unions. The police unions should take up 19th century union tactics and put their essential service force on strike.

They provide a lot of good, but could be a whole lot better. And right now look and behave more like an occupying army than a first world nation's police. And regularly shoot people dead for no good reason, which is about the most fundamental violation of the social contract you can get.

And police unions right now seem to just be responsible for making pathetic whiny videos about how they're somehow the victim. Complaining about attitudes which teachers have dealt with for decades, and so they are laughing their faces off.