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Abraham Lincoln
112
52%
Ulysses S. Grant
2
1%
Theodore Roosevelt
42
20%
Herbert Hoover
1
0%
Dwight D. Eisenhower
23
11%
Richard Nixon
2
1%
Ronald Reagan
11
5%
George H.W. Bush
0
No votes
George W. Bush
3
1%
Donald Trump
19
9%
 
Total votes : 215

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Neanderthaland
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:34 pm

Grunstrandr wrote:Nixon was a great president who got taken down on a scandal that would be a 2-week story today

That's not a good thing.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:35 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Not prolonging the vietnam war for 4 unnecessary years

And the EPA, because anything in favor of the environment is left wing hardcore stalinism or something like that.

The old California hippies I know liked nixon too. As governor of CA, he opened up the private beaches to public surfers. (Most of the ca hippies I know are surfers). He also offered some sort of public health insurance. (Ted Kennedy turned him down).
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:37 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Grunstrandr wrote:Nixon was a great president who got taken down on a scandal that would be a 2-week story today

That's not a good thing.

These days journalists get assaulted by the police for no apparent reason, which implies quite a few things have changed since the early seventies.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:37 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Not prolonging the vietnam war for 4 unnecessary years


Are you sure you mean Cadet Bone Spur?

Cadet bone spur was a democrat back then
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Postby Asle Leopolka » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:38 pm

Lincoln is the objectively best answer.

Teddy was the most badass, though.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:38 pm

Grunstrandr wrote:Nixon was a great president who got taken down on a scandal that would be a 2-week story today

PRAY WITH ME HENRY!
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:41 pm

Lincoln seems like an obvious shoutout, but ive also heard great things about Eisenhower and from the bits of his presidency ive read about he seemed decent enough for the most part.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:49 pm

Lincoln was the best followed by Roosevelt, Reagan was the worst followed by Trump.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:50 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Are you sure you mean Cadet Bone Spur?

Cadet bone spur was a democrat back then


I didn’t mention Nixon. I asked what has Trump done that is on par for things Nixon did. Excluding the criminal stuff of course.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:12 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Cadet bone spur was a democrat back then


I didn’t mention Nixon. I asked what has Trump done that is on par for things Nixon did. Excluding the criminal stuff of course.

If we are going to compare trump to nixon, nixon comes in to it.
To answer your particular question, Nothing.
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--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:15 pm

I avoid Lincoln because although he was a great wartime president and had some great domestic ideas on paper, he was limited by the wartime constraints. It is sad he did not get a chance to really live out much of his second term. He could have been really great, although that is somewhat speculative.

After that Teddy and Ike (yes they were not perfect but great men who did great things for the US). Ike was the last truly great US president.

Oh Nixon. The infamous VERY mixed bag. For every great thing something horrible to offset it. Truly brilliant but unstable and immoral.

Interesting thing I must always mentioned. Nixon had a plan for carbon free power production by 1980! 1980! 1980 we could have solve the air pollution from power production!

But no the anti nuclear fanatics killed the environment. Anti nuclear is the worst thing to happen to the US since Vietnam.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:17 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Cadet bone spur was a democrat back then


I didn’t mention Nixon. I asked what has Trump done that is on par for things Nixon did. Excluding the criminal stuff of course.


Trump shifted the Overton window on trade, away from the Puritan “free trade” insanity.
That is something. Sure not enough make him great at all (he has not pushed a new look on trade hard enough) but something.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Cyng » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:29 pm

Trump at least has balls. They're small, but it's better than nothing

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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:56 pm

Kazakah wrote:
Stellonia wrote:Coolidge is missing from this poll. He should take Hoover's place.


He definitely should. Coolidge was a model conservative and its a shame he's been forgotten by mostly everyone.

Hear, hear, hear.

Novus America wrote:
Trump shifted the Overton window on trade, away from the Puritan “free trade” insanity.
That is something. Sure not enough make him great at all (he has not pushed a new look on trade hard enough) but something.


I'm of the same opinion. Trump's most significant effect after he leaves - be it in 7 months or 4 years - will probably be the change of conversation he represents. The Republican Party has been changed dramatically, and I'm pretty sure that the Democratic Party has too - though I have less insight there.
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Postby Free Northwest Sovereign » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:39 pm

Roosevelt is my favorite president overall, but Eisenhower was the last bad conservative Republican. They've only gotten worse since.

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Postby North German Realm » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:44 pm

Lincoln. To a lesser degree Grant and Roosevelt -even though the latter was an imperialist piece of garbage like pretty much every POTUS after 1898. The age of "good" republican presidents pretty much ended with Roosevelt, though Eisenhowever certainly tried to bring about a renaissance.
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Postby HypErcApitAl » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:47 pm

Teddy isn't even a Rep. He was a Progressive/Bullmoose (his own party), and in that regard, a third-party.

I'll agree w/ those that say that, though. I love Teddy and his politics. (essentially Square Deal or BTFO/GTFO)

I'd say Reagan and Trump are the best. Bush is a warmonger. "lincoln is the best," is a cliche at this point. Y'all say he's the best cause he literally invented the Party, but most times, firsts aren't really the Bests.

In that regard, Wash. is the best since he was the first and only Independent POTUS. I know I sound like I'm Strawmanning, but I really hate that argument. Coolidge was a lameduck POTUS, but Washington was the OG lameduck. He did nothing. He just let his buddies do everything for him. And then he got killed off cause he had a small pain.

Wash. is overrated. Imma just say that. Bottomline.
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Postby Exxosia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:49 pm

Definitely Calvin Coolidge.

When I consider greatest presidents, I have to consider which did their actual job. That reduces the list to Coolidge and JFK. Only one is a republican, so default win. :p

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Postby -Astoria » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:50 pm

Novus America wrote:But no the anti nuclear fanatics killed the environment. Anti nuclear is the worst thing to happen to the US since Vietnam.

Say what now? How, though?

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Postby HypErcApitAl » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:51 pm

Exxosia wrote:Definitely Calvin Coolidge.

When I consider greatest presidents, I have to consider which did their actual job. That reduces the list to Coolidge and JFK. Only one is a republican, so default win. :p


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Postby Free Northwest Sovereign » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:56 pm

North German Realm wrote:The latter was an imperialist piece of garbage like pretty much every POTUS after 1898.

Often "imperialist" is used by people who hate America yet can't argue why so they tack on an overused and ill defined phrase while allowing non-American leaders to infringe upon the rules egregiously. Saying that America is bad because it is imperialist and defining imperialist as any action America/the West takes in general is circular reasoning. At least clarify that you are an isolationist/consistent pacifist or hate America because using weak excuses and loaded words is a poor arguement against ideological opponents. Don't resort to the tankie strategy.

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Postby HypErcApitAl » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:59 pm

Free Northwest Sovereign wrote:
North German Realm wrote:The latter was an imperialist piece of garbage like pretty much every POTUS after 1898.

Often "imperialist" is used by people who hate America yet can't argue why so they tack on an overused and ill defined phrase while allowing non-American leaders to infringe upon the rules egregiously. Saying that America is bad because it is imperialist and defining imperialist as any action America/the West takes in general is circular reasoning. At least clarify that you are an isolationist/consistent pacifist or hate America because using weak excuses and loaded words is a poor arguement against ideological opponents. Don't resort to the tankie strategy.


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Postby -Astoria » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:00 am

Free Northwest Sovereign wrote:Often "imperialist" is used by people who hate America yet can't argue why so they tack on an overused and ill defined phrase while allowing non-American leaders to infringe upon the rules egregiously. Saying that America is bad because it is imperialist and defining imperialist as any action America/the West takes in general is circular reasoning. At least clarify that you are an isolationist/consistent pacifist or hate America because using weak excuses and loaded words is a poor arguement against ideological opponents. Don't resort to the tankie strategy.

A simple post search finds that he's used the term against non-western countries as well.

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Postby North German Realm » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:21 am

Free Northwest Sovereign wrote:
North German Realm wrote:The latter was an imperialist piece of garbage like pretty much every POTUS after 1898.

Often "imperialist" is used by people who hate America yet can't argue why so they tack on an overused and ill defined phrase while allowing non-American leaders to infringe upon the rules egregiously. Saying that America is bad because it is imperialist and defining imperialist as any action America/the West takes in general is circular reasoning. At least clarify that you are an isolationist/consistent pacifist or hate America because using weak excuses and loaded words is a poor arguement against ideological opponents. Don't resort to the tankie strategy.

I mean, America in 1898-1946 was a regular, run-of-the-mill colonial empire. It had colonies and everything. This isn't "everything I dislike is Imperialism". It's "Roosevelt was party to a regime that outright made a point of "only we can do imperialism in Latin America" to the Europeans for which he is lauded. I'm neither an isolationist or pacifist (that's pretty much the farthest from what I am) nor do I hate the US.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:22 am

It's very difficult to give an answer other than Lincoln; no other president of any party has successfully guided the country through a civil war, functionally ending de jure slavery in the process. And if he didn't immediately end de facto slavery, and certainly didn't end racism, he died before he could have any post-war impact on the former, and a quick look at current events in the United States suggests that the latter would defeat any president.

Eisenhower was probably the best 20th-century Republican, though like Grant his claim to greatness largely stems from events pre-dating his presidency.

Of Republican presidents in my adult lifetime, I think George H.W. Bush likely would have made a fine president in the 1970s; he perhaps became president 20 years too late, and perhaps didn't fully appreciate that his style of pragmatic consensus politics was increasingly out of fashion. Failing to adapt is, of course, a political failing; but as political failings go, it's more forgivable than many; and given what American politics has subsequently become, it's easy to be nostalgic about a Republican who valued pragmatic consensus politics.

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Also, to my mind Bush Sr. never broke his 'no new taxes' pledge; increasing existing taxes is not the same thing as introducing new taxes. And yes, I was living in the US at the time.
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