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Abraham Lincoln
112
52%
Ulysses S. Grant
2
1%
Theodore Roosevelt
42
20%
Herbert Hoover
1
0%
Dwight D. Eisenhower
23
11%
Richard Nixon
2
1%
Ronald Reagan
11
5%
George H.W. Bush
0
No votes
George W. Bush
3
1%
Donald Trump
19
9%
 
Total votes : 215

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Jedi Council
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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:30 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Stellonia wrote:Bizarrely, some Trump supporters think he is the greatest President of all time, so his inclusion makes sense. Nixon established the EPA and weakened the Soviet Union by allying with China.

Nixon was a crook, but as a president he was still significantly better than Trump.

That's not a high bar.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:30 pm

Stellonia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Neither does Trump or Nixon.

Bizarrely, some Trump supporters think he is the greatest President of all time, so his inclusion makes sense. Nixon established the EPA and weakened the Soviet Union by allying with China.


They are cultists. One of the in-law families are cultists. He is the best and anything suggesting otherwise is either fake news or doesn’t know anything.

Nixon did a couple good things. No argument there. However his bad column like Mccarthyism outweighs the good.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:31 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Nixon was a crook, but as a president he was still significantly better than Trump.

That's not a high bar.


Well? The EPA; opening up China... What has trump done to match something on that level?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:34 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:That's not a high bar.


Well? The EPA; opening up China... What has trump done to match something on that level?

Nothing, you missed my point.

Saying Nixon is better than Trump is meaningless because practically every President has been better than Trump. It's an insanely low bar to set.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:36 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Well? The EPA; opening up China... What has trump done to match something on that level?

Nothing, you missed my point.

Saying Nixon is better than Trump is meaningless because practically every President has been better than Trump. It's an insanely low bar to set.


Oh I got you. The way I read it was the other guys were only a tiny bit better.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:36 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Well? The EPA; opening up China... What has trump done to match something on that level?


Opening up China was an 'achievement' at the time due to the Cold War, but it has since turned disastrous.

Trump has not done as much for now, but he has a good chance of winning another 4 years of time. From there, something like substantial prison reform would be a good and do-able target to pursue, although I am not sure he will.
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Postby Funny dog land » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:37 pm

Definitely Lincoln, he had a lot of marxist people in his cabinet and had some marxist ideas himself.

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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:38 pm

The Great-German Empire wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Well? The EPA; opening up China... What has trump done to match something on that level?


Opening up China was an 'achievement' at the time due to the Cold War, but it has since turned disastrous.

Trump has not done as much for now, but he has a good chance of winning another 4 years of time. From there, something like substantial prison reform would be a good and do-able target to pursue, although I am not sure he will.

Hoping Trump does good things in the next four years is incredibly naive. Have we all not lived through four years of a Trump presidency?
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:38 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Stellonia wrote:Bizarrely, some Trump supporters think he is the greatest President of all time, so his inclusion makes sense. Nixon established the EPA and weakened the Soviet Union by allying with China.


They are cultists. One of the in-law families are cultists. He is the best and anything suggesting otherwise is either fake news or doesn’t know anything.

Nixon did a couple good things. No argument there. However his bad column like Mccarthyism outweighs the good.


It's a personality cult. Hail Trump, no matter what. He could punt a baby and spit on a veteran's grave and the Trump fanatics would find a way to justify it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:38 pm

The Great-German Empire wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Well? The EPA; opening up China... What has trump done to match something on that level?


Opening up China was an 'achievement' at the time due to the Cold War, but it has since turned disastrous.

Trump has not done as much for now, but he has a good chance of winning another 4 years of time. From there, something like substantial prison reform would be a good and do-able target to pursue, although I am not sure he will.


Yea if he gets elected I would actually bet you on that. Prison reform? You really think that is even possible from a guy how says shoot the protestors?

The next four years would be about as unremarkable as the first.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Joohan » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:40 pm

I really couldn't say my opinions on Lincoln. He was a sufficient war president, but he didn't have much time in order to be a peace president. He did good in the homestead act, and mitigating the losses incurred from Indian wars - but nothing else really strikes me about his presidency apart from the war effort.

Imma go Teddy then. Nationalist, Paternalist, Environmentalist - an embodiment of the radical and unabashedly patriotic foundations of the party in the early days. Everything went down hill after Nixon and the GOP's sudden infatuation with freeeeeee markets...
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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:42 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Great-German Empire wrote:
Opening up China was an 'achievement' at the time due to the Cold War, but it has since turned disastrous.

Trump has not done as much for now, but he has a good chance of winning another 4 years of time. From there, something like substantial prison reform would be a good and do-able target to pursue, although I am not sure he will.


Yea if he gets elected I would actually bet you on that. Prison reform? You really think that is even possible from a guy how says shoot the protestors?

The next four years would be about as unremarkable as the first.


The first four years of Trump have been pretty remarkable. The next four would probably be even worse.
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Postby Kazakah » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:45 pm

Joohan wrote:I really couldn't say my opinions on Lincoln. He was a sufficient war president, but he didn't have much time in order to be a peace president. He did good in the homestead act, and mitigating the losses incurred from Indian wars - but nothing else really strikes me about his presidency apart from the war effort.

Imma go Teddy then. Nationalist, Paternalist, Environmentalist - an embodiment of the radical and unabashedly patriotic foundations of the party in the early days. Everything went down hill after Nixon and the GOP's sudden infatuation with freeeeeee markets...


Not to mention Teddy's crusade against internal government corruption
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Postby Kazakah » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:47 pm

Stellonia wrote:Coolidge is missing from this poll. He should take Hoover's place.


He definitely should. Coolidge was a model conservative and its a shame he's been forgotten by mostly everyone.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:47 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Stellonia wrote:Bizarrely, some Trump supporters think he is the greatest President of all time, so his inclusion makes sense. Nixon established the EPA and weakened the Soviet Union by allying with China.

Nixon was a crook, but as a president he was still significantly better than Trump.

Nah,
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:49 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Nixon was a crook, but as a president he was still significantly better than Trump.

Nah,


What accomplishments has trump done?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:02 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Nah,


What accomplishments has trump done?

Not prolonging the vietnam war for 4 unnecessary years
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Postby Stellonia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:08 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Great-German Empire wrote:Opening up China was an 'achievement' at the time due to the Cold War, but it has since turned disastrous.

Trump has not done as much for now, but he has a good chance of winning another 4 years of time. From there, something like substantial prison reform would be a good and do-able target to pursue, although I am not sure he will.

Yea if he gets elected I would actually bet you on that. Prison reform? You really think that is even possible from a guy how says shoot the protestors?

Trump would support anything that he thinks would benefit him politically. If Kim Kardashian were to convince him that supporting prison reform would benefit him politically, he would start supporting it. That being said, I doubt he has the attention span or political acumen to actually implement prison reform.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:13 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
What accomplishments has trump done?

Not prolonging the vietnam war for 4 unnecessary years

And the EPA, because anything in favor of the environment is left wing hardcore stalinism or something like that.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:14 pm

Stellonia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Yea if he gets elected I would actually bet you on that. Prison reform? You really think that is even possible from a guy how says shoot the protestors?

Trump would support anything that he thinks would benefit him politically. If Kim Kardashian were to convince him that supporting prison reform would benefit him politically, he would start supporting it. That being said, I doubt he has the attention span or political acumen to actually implement prison reform.


Saying you support it and actually doing anything on a serious level? Not seeing it. Now if somebody else does it? He will take credit for it.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:15 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
What accomplishments has trump done?

Not prolonging the vietnam war for 4 unnecessary years


Are you sure you mean Cadet Bone Spur?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Mopistan » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:16 pm

Gotta be Teddy, though Eisenhower's not far behind. I find Lincoln to be sort of overrated- sure, he freed the slaves and won the Civil War, but he was still exceedingly racist and used unconstitutional and illegal powers during the war.

Kazakah wrote:
Stellonia wrote:Coolidge is missing from this poll. He should take Hoover's place.


He definitely should. Coolidge was a model conservative and its a shame he's been forgotten by mostly everyone.

Coolidge was a good president. Unfortunately, being sandwiched between Wilson and FDR makes people forget about you pretty fast.
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Postby Grunstrandr » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:19 pm

Nixon was a great president who got taken down on a scandal that would be a 2-week story today

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Postby Stellonia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:26 pm

Mopistan wrote:
Kazakah wrote:
He definitely should. Coolidge was a model conservative and its a shame he's been forgotten by mostly everyone.

Coolidge was a good president. Unfortunately, being sandwiched between Wilson and FDR makes people forget about you pretty fast.

Pres. Wilson is mostly remembered because he went by his middle name. Scarcely anyone would remember someone named Thomas Wilson.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:27 pm

Grunstrandr wrote:Nixon was a great president who got taken down on a scandal that would be a 2-week story today


Nixon would have loved to have the Senate of today.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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