Hammer and Sickle Controversy

[Tiesa]

After reading a post in the Factbooks and Information Forum about the Hammer and Sickle being as offensive as the Swastika and thought i'd see what the NS Community thinks. What is your opinion? Is the Hammer and Sickle as bad a icon as the Swastika?

After reading a post in the Factbooks and Information Forum about the Hammer and Sickle being as offensive as the Swastika and thought i'd see what the NS Community thinks. What is your opinion? Is the Hammer and Sickle as bad a icon as the Swastika?

Not going to happen, as per [violet].

[Glorious Homeland]

No, it's a symbol for the far-left, which this game allows players to create. If they didn't want to see the hammer and sickles they shouldn't allow players to make a far-left society.

[Conserative Morality]

No, the SovUnion wasn't based around sending people to gulags.

[Lackadaisical2]

No, the SovUnion wasn't based around sending people to gulags.

Even if it was, they should be allowed, same with swastikas.

[Lackadaisical2]

No, it's a symbol for the far-left, which this game allows players to create. If they didn't want to see the hammer and sickles they shouldn't allow players to make a far-left society.

People are allowed to make Nazi and fascistic nations as well.

[Glorious Homeland]

The Soviet Union was one big prison camp, but that's besides the point really. While created by the Bolsheviks, it isn't exclusive to referring to the Soviet Union and it's Stalinist era especially... whereas Nazism and the Swastika cannot be unbound.

People are allowed to make Nazi and fascistic nations as well.

Fascist, but not Nazi explicitly. To my knowledge... the Nazis crop up in that freedom of speech question, and if you allow them to march it comes back with "the nation holds freedom of speech very dearly", not "the nation supports nazi rallies."

[Our L Lawliet]

I don't think any symbol can be "offensive," and I think it's ridiculous that either of them are banned.

[Lackadaisical2]

The Soviet Union was one big prison camp, but that's besides the point really. While created by the Bolsheviks, it isn't exclusive to referring to the Soviet Union and it's Stalinist era especially...

Neither is a swastika only referencing Nazi Germany, not that I see how that would be an argument for banning it anyway.

whereas Nazism and the Swastika cannot be unbound.

Yes it can.

[Fartsniffage]

I actually agree with the text in the rules about this.

I see the swastika and I think concentration camps, I see the hammer and sickle and think Soviet Union.

[Conserative Morality]

Even if it was, they should be allowed, same with swastikas.

I agree, I'm just saying that the Standard isn't necessarily inconsistent.

[Tiesa]

No, the SovUnion wasn't based around sending people to gulags.

Yet many people were sent to Soviet Gulags?

[Consaria]

The Swastika should be allowed too.

[Lackadaisical2]

People are allowed to make Nazi and fascistic nations as well.

Fascist, but not Nazi explicitly. To my knowledge... the Nazis crop up in that freedom of speech question, and if you allow them to march it comes back with "the nation holds freedom of speech very dearly", not "the nation supports nazi rallies."

I meant more in the roleplay, than as a nation itself, although I see no reason one couldn't come pretty close to the Nazis, what with the issues of "bigtopians' and other race related things, as well as in martial matters there are questions that would align your nation to be high 'interventionist'. Although there is no 'nazi' WA category.

[Glorious Homeland]

whereas Nazism and the Swastika cannot be unbound.

Yes it can.

Real world example?

[Straughn]

The hammer and sickle is nowhere near as "offensive" as the swastika. Though I think it's ridiculous that either of them are banned.

Good flag.
Two things -
the swastika itself was hijacked from earlier cultural significance, and
what if it was oriented the same way those braindead knuckledraggers spelled, backwards?

[Frenca]

To me:
H+S: Soviet Union, Russia, Warsaw Pact, Communism
Swastika: Nazis, Bald, malnourished, skinny Jews OR Buddhism, East Asia, Hinduism, South Asia, East and South Asian religions
No, it shouldn't be banned...

[Islamic Hazarastan]

It should most definitely not be banned.

[Lackadaisical2]

I actually agree with the text in the rules about this.

I see the swastika and I think concentration camps,

I think of the war primarily.

I see the hammer and sickle and think Soviet Union.

Same here, they were pretty horrible, but we might as well ban China as well, and depictions of Mao at that point. I don't see a terrible amount of difference between one and the other really.

[Scarsaw]

See, I don't think the swastika should be banned...so I don't think the hammer and sickle should be banned either.

[Hathradic States]

Sickles, Hammers, Swastikas (which are symbols of life in Eastern Cultures), and anything else are just symbols.

I find it sad that you can't post a swastika. I find that the Hammer and Sickle can be just as offensive as a swaztika, especially in the former USSR. So either let them all be, or ban them all.

[Laos Refugees]

I actually agree with the text in the rules about this.

I see the swastika and I think concentration camps, I see the hammer and sickle and think Soviet Union.

That's your own fault for only selecting bits and pieces about your history.

[Inchland]

I actually agree with the text in the rules about this.

I see the swastika and I think concentration camps, I see the hammer and sickle and think Soviet Union.

Pretty much this. The Swastika has a waaaaay worse reputation than the hammer and sickle.

[Lackadaisical2]

whereas Nazism and the Swastika cannot be unbound.

Yes it can.

Real world example?

Central Asia.

[Sagatagan]

One of them is the symbol of a philosophy of societal organization based on class abolition. The other one is the symbol of a philosophy of societal organization based on nationalist race-hatred. Which seems worse to you?

[Conserative Morality]

Yet many people were sent to Soviet Gulags?

Mostly under Stalin.

But we don't forbid the Cross because of the Inquisition, now do we?