NYC eliminates words "alien" and "illegal" from laws

[La Xinga]

In some places, they vote illegally.

Not at any kind of a level that actually matters. Sure, there's a few people who have feloniously voted, and they should be prosecuted, but we're basically certain that the number is so small that it's largely irrelevant to the grand result.

But it's still crime, no?

Yes, but American workers are losing out from illegals taking their jobs, don't you think?
Illegals can vote in certain states, and you think every illegal is homeless?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

I don't click Ytube links, what are you trying to say?

[Saint Nicholas and the Hussars]

Tomorrow’s news: Citizen Decency Points

[New haven america]

Not at any kind of a level that actually matters. Sure, there's a few people who have feloniously voted, and they should be prosecuted, but we're basically certain that the number is so small that it's largely irrelevant to the grand result.

But it's still crime, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

I don't click Ytube links, what are you trying to say?

Click it and find out.

[Galloism]

Not at any kind of a level that actually matters. Sure, there's a few people who have feloniously voted, and they should be prosecuted, but we're basically certain that the number is so small that it's largely irrelevant to the grand result.

But it's still crime, no?

Sure. And it should be prosecuted. As should many other crimes that are committed in all fifty states.

But you're essentially saying "Did you know that people can CHEAT ON THEIR TAXES in certain states?"

Uh yeah. We should prosecute those people. And btw it's all states.

[La Xinga]

But it's still crime, no?
I don't click Ytube links, what are you trying to say?

Click it and find out.

Youtube takes a year to load, so no.

But it's still crime, no?

Sure. And it should be prosecuted. As should many other crimes that are committed in all fifty states.

But you're essentially saying "Did you know that people can CHEAT ON THEIR TAXES in certain states?"

Uh yeah. We should prosecute those people. And btw it's all states.

i do not think I said anything about taxes.

[A m e n r i a]

ILLEGAL immigrants can vote? SERIOUSLY? In what state? And while I don't really know USA laws so much, I kind of also doubt that illegal immigrants can buy property there...

If I remember correctly, I think they can vote in Maryland.

And they probably rent it out, or live in abandoned buildings.

How could the government count their votes if it doesn't know they exist?

[La Xinga]

If I remember correctly, I think they can vote in Maryland.

And they probably rent it out, or live in abandoned buildings.

How could the government count their votes if it doesn't know they exist?

Why are people quoting my posts from the last page?

Anyway, they voted. They did. The vote exists.

[Esternial]

How could the government count their votes if it doesn't know they exist?

Why are people quoting my posts from the last page?

Anyway, they voted. They did. The vote exists.

Hmm, still trying to see a point beyond your punctuation here...

[Purple Rats]

I am so confused.

[Katganistan]

Anyway, the title of this thread is incorrect clickbait.

How exactly?

Because it says it eliminates "illegal" and "aliens" from laws, and it does not? It simply makes it illegal for landlords, employers and others to call someone an illegal and threaten to call ICE on them out of hate and bigotry.

Which I explained pages ago, and linked to an actual US source, not the Daily Fail.

[La Xinga]

Why are people quoting my posts from the last page?

Anyway, they voted. They did. The vote exists.

Hmm, still trying to see a point beyond your punctuation here...

???

I am so confused.

I am too.

[A m e n r i a]

How could the government count their votes if it doesn't know they exist?

Why are people quoting my posts from the last page?

Anyway, they voted. They did. The vote exists.

I'm honestly curious. How long do they have before they're deported once the authorities find them?

[Purple Rats]

Sure. And it should be prosecuted. As should many other crimes that are committed in all fifty states.

But you're essentially saying "Did you know that people can CHEAT ON THEIR TAXES in certain states?"

Uh yeah. We should prosecute those people. And btw it's all states.

i do not think I said anything about taxes.

Gallo prob. meant that it's similar like saying that about taxes, not that you actually said word-by-word anything about taxes...

[Aclion]

I wonder how many legal residents will lose stuff as a result of this. After all, they are noncitizens.

[La Xinga]

How exactly?

Because it says it eliminates "illegal" and "aliens" from laws, and it does not? It simply makes it illegal for landlords, employers and others to call someone an illegal and threaten to call ICE on them out of hate and bigotry.

Which I explained pages ago, and linked to an actual US source, not the Daily Fail.

But they are excluding the use of alien and illegal in their laws.

[Katganistan]

But it's still crime, no?

Sure. And it should be prosecuted. As should many other crimes that are committed in all fifty states.

But you're essentially saying "Did you know that people can CHEAT ON THEIR TAXES in certain states?"

Uh yeah. We should prosecute those people. And btw it's all states.

Indeed.

[Galloism]

Sure. And it should be prosecuted. As should many other crimes that are committed in all fifty states.

But you're essentially saying "Did you know that people can CHEAT ON THEIR TAXES in certain states?"

Uh yeah. We should prosecute those people. And btw it's all states.

i do not think I said anything about taxes.

"People commit crimes sometimes" is not really a compelling "sky is falling" situation. If I went around screaming that people can cheat on their taxes in Illinois, so what?

Yeah, people who commit crimes should be prosecuted. But by all measurements, it's small, on the edges, and something that should be handled by law enforcement not by massively upending the system.

[Purple Rats]

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I am so confused.

I am too.

YOU are the reason why I am confused... I am trying to understand your logic, but I kind of don't.

[Katganistan]

Because it says it eliminates "illegal" and "aliens" from laws, and it does not? It simply makes it illegal for landlords, employers and others to call someone an illegal and threaten to call ICE on them out of hate and bigotry.

Which I explained pages ago, and linked to an actual US source, not the Daily Fail.

But they are excluding the use of alien and illegal in their laws.

Ok, so, an American source is wrong, and the Daily Mail, a foreign paper which is known for sensationalist articles that flirt with the truth, is right.

Gotcha.
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[La Xinga]

i do not think I said anything about taxes.

Gallo prob. meant that it's similar like saying that about taxes, not that you actually said word-by-word anything about taxes...

I still think that no, cuz that has nothing with the legal/illegal stuff.

i do not think I said anything about taxes.

"People commit crimes sometimes" is not really a compelling "sky is falling" situation. If I went around screaming that people can cheat on their taxes in Illinois, so what?

Yeah, people who commit crimes should be prosecuted. But by all measurements, it's small, on the edges, and something that should be handled by law enforcement not by massively upending the system.

Indeed, but it is a crime, illegal immigrants commit crimes:

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-just ... s-shouldnt

Less than 1 year ago.

[Galloism]

But they are excluding the use of alien and illegal in their laws.

Ok, so, an American source is wrong, and the Daily Mail, a foreign paper which is known for sensationalist articles that flirt with the truth, is right.

Gotcha.

I'd say less "flirt" and more "passing somewhat in the neighborhood of in the dead of night".

[Gravlen]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368407/New-York-City-bans-words-alien-illegal-referring-immigrants-laws-documents.html

Some time ago, New York City passed a law that "alien" and "illegal immigrant" will no longer become the the term used to define people who have entered the US illegally. The new term shall now be "non-citizen."

What do you guys say about this? Opposed, For, or in between? Do you have any more info about this?

I'm am against this, soon they're gonna be called better people. They are illegal and should have less rights, unless they become legal, of course.

That's my opinion, what's yours?

Your objection to this lacks any substance. This does not give them more (or less) rights, so you're left with being against it just because...

Anyway, it might make legal documents more accurate. I haven't seen any examples of how it would look after any changes were made, so it's hard to be opposed.

[La Xinga]

But they are excluding the use of alien and illegal in their laws.

Ok, so, an American source is wrong, and the Daily Mail, a foreign paper which is known for sensationalist articles that flirt with the truth, is right.

Gotcha.

i quoted a source, cuz a needed something, and not an audio.

I originally heard this on radio.

[Purple Rats]

Because it says it eliminates "illegal" and "aliens" from laws, and it does not? It simply makes it illegal for landlords, employers and others to call someone an illegal and threaten to call ICE on them out of hate and bigotry.

Which I explained pages ago, and linked to an actual US source, not the Daily Fail.

But they are excluding the use of alien and illegal in their laws.

So what you are saying, that they are not erasing the term "illegal immigrant", but they are making every "illegal immigrant" to be same as every legal non citizens? That would mean that these people automatically have same rights as legal non citizens (for example, au pairs, students, workers etc)

[Galloism]

Gallo prob. meant that it's similar like saying that about taxes, not that you actually said word-by-word anything about taxes...

I still think that no, cuz that has nothing with the legal/illegal stuff.

"People commit crimes sometimes" is not really a compelling "sky is falling" situation. If I went around screaming that people can cheat on their taxes in Illinois, so what?

Yeah, people who commit crimes should be prosecuted. But by all measurements, it's small, on the edges, and something that should be handled by law enforcement not by massively upending the system.

Indeed, but it is a crime, illegal immigrants commit crimes:

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-just ... s-shouldnt

Less than 1 year ago.

I remember this case. I also remember the post I made on it:

If this guy was out to murder someone, he must be a hell of a trick shot:

B. Other Physical Evidence
The day after the shooting, the San Francisco Police Department recovered a
handgun from the water near Pier 14. The gun was a SIG SAUER P239. Officers found
no rags or t-shirts in the water or on the pier.
After learning the bullet recovered from Ms. Steinle’s body bore evidence of
having hit a hard object, San Francisco Police Officer John Evans returned to Pier 14 to
look for a possible bullet strike in the area. Officers located a small indentation in the
cement walkway which was an apparent strike mark. Evans determined the bullet strike
mark was about 12 to 15 feet away from where defendant was seated and about 78 feet
from Ms. Steinle’s location on the pier.

...

A defense firearms expert, James Norris, testified the gun lacked an external safety
mechanism and confirmed a SIG SAUER P239 could accidentally discharge if it were in
single-action mode. Norris opined the gun likely fired while defendant was seated,
probably while he was bent over, and that “[i]t somehow discharged, ricocheted, [and]
unfortunately struck the victim.” According to Norris, the “weapon seemed to be pointed
down towards the ground. It was near the ground and pointed down towards the ground.
In that position, it would be extremely difficult for a person to aim . . . .” A second
defense expert in firearms and unintentional discharges, Alan Voth, opined that if an
operator of a firearm discharged a single bullet from a seated position, it struck the
ground 12 feet away, the ground was concrete, and the bullet ricocheted from that
location and traveled 78 feet before striking a person in the lower back, that would
indicate an unintentional discharge. Defendant’s video enhancement expert, Paul Endo,
reviewed the surveillance footage of Pier 14 on the day of the shooting and testified,
among other things, that defendant was bending down about 20 seconds before the
shooting.5

I think I can see why the jury didn't really buy the murder charge. I will take any of you out to a nice concrete slab I have from a building that is no longer there, setup a target 90 feet away from you, and let you try to hit the target by ricocheting it off the concrete slab. If you do it, I'll buy you a steak dinner.

Offer still stands, btw.

Anyway, yes "illegal immigrants are just like legal immigrants, citizens, tourists, and everyone else and sometimes commit crimes" isn't really news to us nor a "sky is falling" moment.