World without police?

[The Reformed American Republic]

You're still going to need to involuntarily detain serial killers like Ted Bundy. I don't think there will ever be a situation where you can completely get rid of prisons. Even if only a fraction of arrestees are dangerous, prisons are still needed for the dangerous few.

That might be true for the truly dangerous few, but we don't really know, because we haven't tried to come up with alternatives to incarceration, and almost all efforts at rehabilitation have been half-hearted efforts full of bias against the offenders. Ideally we would prevent the crimes of the dangerous few before they happen.

Psychologists will usually tell you that psychopaths are not rehabilitatable. Look, I'm all for rehabilitation, and I think we should take elements from Norway's model, but abolishing prisons altogether is not a good idea. Massive reform required, and we need to go further than what the Democrats propose, but not abolition. Unlike nonpsychopathic criminals, true Ted Bundy like psychopaths are a lost cause.

[Saint Nicholas and the Hussars]

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Note that no one is being shot on there porch for being on there porch in the gif

2 seconds later a sociopath is born and grows up to be a paramilitary leader that goes on a genocide. 4 seconds later somebody shoots somebody for being annoying. 6 seconds later somebody makes a car bomb and drives into your house.

>”just ban objects lol”

[Alcala-Cordel]

We'd either have

An awesome decentralized anarcho-communist planet
or
A corporatocracy in which private companies imposed their will on the masses
or
Something along the lines of Lord of the Flies

Communist planet can not be awesome.

You're right, awesome is an understatement. It would be magnificent

[Saint Nicholas and the Hussars]

Communist planet can not be awesome.

You're right, awesome is an understatement. It would be magnificent

You’re kidding me right? You’re kidding me.

[Mirjt]

You're right, awesome is an understatement. It would be magnificent

You’re kidding me right? You’re kidding me.

Why would they be kidding? I am not an anarchist or an anarcho-communist, but I have researched those ideologies and I don't mind them at all. I personally don't want to identify much further than leftist and if I had to choose an ideology it would probably be democratic socialism, but I consider libertarian socialists like anarcho-communists to be comrades and would rejoice in their success. A world without the state, without capitalism, without any form of unjustified authority or hierarchy (which is almost all authority and hierarchy), a world without private property, a world that is egalitarian, well that sounds like a paradise to me. If you are interested in anarcho-communism, I recommend starting out by watch some leftist YouTubers like TheSerfsTV, ThoughtSlime, or Non-Compete, or reading literature by Peter Kropotkin, Murry Bookchin, or Emma Goldman.

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

That might be true for the truly dangerous few, but we don't really know, because we haven't tried to come up with alternatives to incarceration, and almost all efforts at rehabilitation have been half-hearted efforts full of bias against the offenders. Ideally we would prevent the crimes of the dangerous few before they happen.

Psychologists will usually tell you that psychopaths are not rehabilitatable. Look, I'm all for rehabilitation, and I think we should take elements from Norway's model, but abolishing prisons altogether is not a good idea. Massive reform required, and we need to go further than what the Democrats propose, but not abolition. Unlike nonpsychopathic criminals, true Ted Bundy like psychopaths are a lost cause.

I don't think that's an up to date understanding of psychopathy.

[Albrenia]

Even with the shit going on in the US, I still think the police (or a similar protective entity) are needed for a functioning society. However, they must be held to a higher and stricter standard than those not representing the law. They should not have a culture of covering for each other, but a culture of keeping each other honest.

Also, no 'approach every situation with one hand on your gun' or 'good guys vs bad guys' bullshit. Try to act like mature adults.

[Athre]

You’re kidding me right? You’re kidding me.

Why would they be kidding? I am not an anarchist or an anarcho-communist, but I have researched those ideologies and I don't mind them at all. I personally don't want to identify much further than leftist and if I had to choose an ideology it would probably be democratic socialism, but I consider libertarian socialists like anarcho-communists to be comrades and would rejoice in their success. A world without the state, without capitalism, without any form of unjustified authority or hierarchy (which is almost all authority and hierarchy), a world without private property, a world that is egalitarian, well that sounds like a paradise to me. If you are interested in anarcho-communism, I recommend starting out by watch some leftist YouTubers like TheSerfsTV, ThoughtSlime, or Non-Compete, or reading literature by Peter Kropotkin, Murry Bookchin, or Emma Goldman.

Anarcho-Communism lost all chance of voluntary acceptance and practicality when the stone age died. But we should probably get back on topic.

[Athre]

Even with the shit going on in the US, I still think the police (or a similar protective entity) are needed for a functioning society. However, they must be held to a higher and stricter standard than those not representing the law. They should not have a culture of covering for each other, but a culture of keeping each other honest.

Also, no 'approach every situation with one hand on your gun' or 'good guys vs bad guys' bullshit. Try to act like mature adults.

I think all academy students, and then applicants for police officers should be screened for association with extremist groups.

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

I think we have to understand the social-political-cultural institutions known as "police" in America are a specific social structure that isn't the same as "law enforcement", which is the broad concept of upholding the law regardless of the agency doing it or how it's done. I think we can all agree we need a world with law enforcement, but not necessarily the fraternal orders of cops all over America whose 'union' presidents always seem to have like, the heaviest chips on their shoulders.

[Cetacea]

Take a look at the origins of the Sicilian Mafia or Japanese Yakuza, both were extralegal enforcement entities set up in the post-feudal era to arbitrate disputes, protect urban peasants and maintain honour. They are essentially community militia.

Even during COVID it was them and Cartels who provided relief to the most impoverished.

The drawback of course is they are pure capitalism acting on a profit motive not state altruism.

[Alcala-Cordel]

You’re kidding me right? You’re kidding me.

Why would they be kidding? I am not an anarchist or an anarcho-communist, but I have researched those ideologies and I don't mind them at all. I personally don't want to identify much further than leftist and if I had to choose an ideology it would probably be democratic socialism, but I consider libertarian socialists like anarcho-communists to be comrades and would rejoice in their success. A world without the state, without capitalism, without any form of unjustified authority or hierarchy (which is almost all authority and hierarchy), a world without private property, a world that is egalitarian, well that sounds like a paradise to me. If you are interested in anarcho-communism, I recommend starting out by watch some leftist YouTubers like TheSerfsTV, ThoughtSlime, or Non-Compete, or reading literature by Peter Kropotkin, Murry Bookchin, or Emma Goldman.

I second this, Saint Nicholas and the Hussars needs to read some theory. I'd recommend starting with the Communist Manifesto and the Conquest of Bread if you want to look down my specific ideology of neozapatism.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Getting rid of the police would create a vacuum that would be filled by a group that would behave in the same way or worse.

The only other solution that is becoming possible is pervasive surveillance automatically dishing out fines, jail sentences, and public shaming. Where China is headed.

[-Ocelot-]

Getting rid of the police would create a vacuum that would be filled by a group that would behave in the same way or worse.

Such a power vacuum would create a militia that would definitely be worse because the police are being restrained by the law while said militia wouldn't.

[South Odreria 2]

Judy Hopps clone army.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

No.

Can we just have better police? The job attracts people who are OK with violence, also people who want petty power over others. Offering higher wages would give more to choose from, but still how to identify those bad motives in a recruit determined to get into the force?

How about a selection process from the general population, as is done to select juries? The pay would have to be outstanding (to compensate for possible lost wages during their stint), they'd serve a maximum of five years (though possibly longer if they're promoted above Sergeant), and if they are selected by lottery but refuse to serve there would be a punishment.

Or we could just wait for robots to take over the job. And don't give me that pop culture nonsense, it's nothing more than the modern version of Frankenstein. Robots are neither good nor evil, it's why they'll be perfect for the frontline work. Discretion could still be exercised by a human, once the robots have incapacitated the suspect and brought them to the police station.

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Replace police with professional mediators whose job it is to peacefully resolve conflict with the least possible amount of interference, each member of this group must be approved to do the work by members of the community. This group would always attempt to resolve situations without arrest and without force. Retain a small subset of this group that is armed and highly trained to deal with extreme situations, like a person on a shooting spree or a terrorist, where peaceful mediation is not an option. These people should be the best of the best, the qualifications to do this work very rigorous.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Change police selection procedures and move issues like personal drug use and low level crime away from the criminal justice system and towards a social services/psychological health paradigm.

[Port Spratly]

Police are still needed to maintain the order of society and rule of law. humans are almost always motivated by self-interest and selfishness, without some set of rules or cultural setbacks to not do harm like in Japan. It is hard to maintain a situation that fair and just.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Change police selection procedures and move issues like personal drug use and low level crime away from the criminal justice system and towards a social services/psychological health paradigm.

Good, and remember that a lot of low level crime is either property crime (eg shoplifting) that could be undone by restitution. Or emotional and minor property disputes, where mediation early could save them from escalation to violence.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Change police selection procedures and move issues like personal drug use and low level crime away from the criminal justice system and towards a social services/psychological health paradigm.

Then you have to give these systems the power of law enforcement.And change a lot of laws.And then it doesn't sure to work.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

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Note that no one is being shot on there porch for being on there porch in the gif

2 seconds later a sociopath is born and grows up to be a paramilitary leader that goes on a genocide. 4 seconds later somebody shoots somebody for being annoying. 6 seconds later somebody makes a car bomb and drives into your house.

>”just ban objects lol”

But right now we have cops attacking peaceful protesters, killing unarmed black people and, shooting people on there porch for being on there porch.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Change police selection procedures and move issues like personal drug use and low level crime away from the criminal justice system and towards a social services/psychological health paradigm.

Then you have to give these systems the power of law enforcement.And change a lot of laws.And then it doesn't sure to work.

No system is sure to work. If people are being a social nuisance or persistently low level offending that will be picked up by the wider system and engaging with the apparatus could be a way of giving people a choice to avoid prison, in which case they can then be targeted for dissentive propaganda and so on. If people go to prison it rarely straightens it out so trying something else first can't hurt.

The continuance or even intensification of education on the health dangers of drugs is crucial, drug use needs to remain something that's looked down on and we need to retain a focus on the social consequences. The worst outcome would be that a message gets sent out that drug use is now okay and then more use them and more get into problems.

[Ideal Britain]

2 seconds later a sociopath is born and grows up to be a paramilitary leader that goes on a genocide. 4 seconds later somebody shoots somebody for being annoying. 6 seconds later somebody makes a car bomb and drives into your house.

>”just ban objects lol”

But right now we have cops attacking peaceful protesters, killing unarmed black people and, shooting people on there porch for being on there porch.

And yet democrats think cops should have a monopoly on guns.
Gun rights are African-American rights.

[Antibuda]

The YouTuber ThoughtSlime has a video about why "All Cops are Bad."

The YouTuber Non-Compete has a series of videos about how an anarcho-communist world would work, and one of the videos goes into the detail regarding a society without police and prisons.

I personally, think these are good starting points, but not complete on their own.

Thanks for making me watch someone explain anarcho-communism for 10+ minutes. Good video though, and this probably would be the best option.