World without police?

[Region of Dwipantara]

I wanna discuss the police issue in general matter, not only U.S based. I know in lot of places the police is not as extreme as in some other areas, but still I have been thinking about the alternatives. There are still terrible people who would abuse their freedom. So which could be alternatives if there would be no police in a way we have now?

Also, the result will probably be the immediate reinstallment of the police, as the resulting mayhem will push a populist Law & Order figure into power, either through elections or through not-so-nice means. In the end we will end up with a police force that is even more strict and illiberal, not to mention the economic costs of past chaos. Yay!

[Bassoe]

We could just build police robots.

You Have 20 Seconds To Comply.

That'll just turn into feudalism with a fresh coat of technocratic paint. At best. The descendants of the 1% who owned the manufacturing megacorporations would possess the means of production in the form of Universal Constructors and robotic laborers and consequentially, everyone else would redundant to them and their effectively infinite armies of unquestioningly loyal killbots having given them the greatest monopoly of force in human history.

As the autocarriage moved sluggishly toward the airship field, I brooded on the question of value. If value comes from labour, and capital is but dead labour, what are steam-workers? So long as they needed to be created by human hands, clearly steam-workers were just another capital good, albeit a complex one. But now, given the dexterity of the latest generation of steam-workers, they would clearly be put to work building their own descendents, and those that issue forth from that subsequent generation would also be improved, without a single quantum of labour-power expended. The bourgeoisie might have problems of their own; with no incomes at all, the working-class could not even afford the basic necessities of life. Steam-workers don’t buy bread or cloth, nor do they drop farthings into the alms box at church on Sunday. How would bourgeois society survive without workers who also must be driven to consume the very products they made?
The petit-bourgeoisie, I realized, the landed gentry, perhaps they could be catered to exclusively, and the empire would continue to expand and open new markets down to the tips of the Americas and through to the end of the Orient—foreign money and resources would be enough for capital, for the time being. But what of the proletariat? If the bourgeoisie no longer need the labour of the workers, and with the immense power in their hands, wouldn’t they simply rid themselves of the toiling classes the way the lord of a manor might rid a stable of vermin? They could kill us all from the air—firebombing the slums and industrial districts. Send whole troupes of steam-workers to tear men apart till the cobblestones ran red with the blood of the proletariat. Gears would be greased, all right.

[Parthagonia]

We could just build police robots.

You Have 20 Seconds To Comply.

That'll just turn into feudalism with a fresh coat of technocratic paint. At best. The descendants of the 1% who owned the manufacturing megacorporations would possess the means of production in the form of Universal Constructors and robotic laborers and consequentially, everyone else would redundant to them and their effectively infinite armies of fanatically killbots having given them the greatest monopoly of force in human history.

As the autocarriage moved sluggishly toward the airship field, I brooded on the question of value. If value comes from labour, and capital is but dead labour, what are steam-workers? So long as they needed to be created by human hands, clearly steam-workers were just another capital good, albeit a complex one. But now, given the dexterity of the latest generation of steam-workers, they would clearly be put to work building their own descendents, and those that issue forth from that subsequent generation would also be improved, without a single quantum of labour-power expended. The bourgeoisie might have problems of their own; with no incomes at all, the working-class could not even afford the basic necessities of life. Steam-workers don’t buy bread or cloth, nor do they drop farthings into the alms box at church on Sunday. How would bourgeois society survive without workers who also must be driven to consume the very products they made?
The petit-bourgeoisie, I realized, the landed gentry, perhaps they could be catered to exclusively, and the empire would continue to expand and open new markets down to the tips of the Americas and through to the end of the Orient—foreign money and resources would be enough for capital, for the time being. But what of the proletariat? If the bourgeoisie no longer need the labour of the workers, and with the immense power in their hands, wouldn’t they simply rid themselves of the toiling classes the way the lord of a manor might rid a stable of vermin? They could kill us all from the air—firebombing the slums and industrial districts. Send whole troupes of steam-workers to tear men apart till the cobblestones ran red with the blood of the proletariat. Gears would be greased, all right.

I honestly cant tell if this is sarcasm or not.

[Bassoe]

I honestly cant tell if this is sarcasm or not.

If the rich had the option to replace us with robots who'd labor for them without inconveniences like wanting rights, living wages, decent working conditions, the possibility of rebellion, etc, does anyone honestly believe they wouldn't immediately take it?

[Neanderthaland]

We could just build police robots.

You Have 20 Seconds To Comply.

That'll just turn into feudalism with a fresh coat of technocratic paint. At best. The descendants of the 1% who owned the manufacturing megacorporations would possess the means of production in the form of Universal Constructors and robotic laborers and consequentially, everyone else would redundant to them and their effectively infinite armies of fanatically killbots having given them the greatest monopoly of force in human history.

As the autocarriage moved sluggishly toward the airship field, I brooded on the question of value. If value comes from labour, and capital is but dead labour, what are steam-workers? So long as they needed to be created by human hands, clearly steam-workers were just another capital good, albeit a complex one. But now, given the dexterity of the latest generation of steam-workers, they would clearly be put to work building their own descendents, and those that issue forth from that subsequent generation would also be improved, without a single quantum of labour-power expended. The bourgeoisie might have problems of their own; with no incomes at all, the working-class could not even afford the basic necessities of life. Steam-workers don’t buy bread or cloth, nor do they drop farthings into the alms box at church on Sunday. How would bourgeois society survive without workers who also must be driven to consume the very products they made?
The petit-bourgeoisie, I realized, the landed gentry, perhaps they could be catered to exclusively, and the empire would continue to expand and open new markets down to the tips of the Americas and through to the end of the Orient—foreign money and resources would be enough for capital, for the time being. But what of the proletariat? If the bourgeoisie no longer need the labour of the workers, and with the immense power in their hands, wouldn’t they simply rid themselves of the toiling classes the way the lord of a manor might rid a stable of vermin? They could kill us all from the air—firebombing the slums and industrial districts. Send whole troupes of steam-workers to tear men apart till the cobblestones ran red with the blood of the proletariat. Gears would be greased, all right.

Was a joke, m8.

[Parthagonia]

I honestly cant tell if this is sarcasm or not.

If the rich had the option to replace us with robots who'd labor for them without inconveniences like wanting rights, living wages, decent working conditions, the possibility of rebellion, etc, does anyone honestly believe they wouldn't immediately take it?

And in a world without police, does that also include the military and MP's? What's stopping the rise of a Shogunate like world, where Warlords and whoever holds the biggest capacity to kill rules? there would be immediate anarchy, as the masses would definitely go after said wealthy folks. The premise of revenge or stealing their riches is big in poverty stricken minds, now more than ever.

[Esternial]

I honestly cant tell if this is sarcasm or not.

If the rich had the option to replace us with robots who'd labor for them without inconveniences like wanting rights, living wages, decent working conditions, the possibility of rebellion, etc, does anyone honestly believe they wouldn't immediately take it?

Don't see why these people would have to be rich. Can you honestly say you wouldn't go for the same if you wanted to start a business? Run it at a fraction of the cost?

Come on now...

[Parthagonia]

If the rich had the option to replace us with robots who'd labor for them without inconveniences like wanting rights, living wages, decent working conditions, the possibility of rebellion, etc, does anyone honestly believe they wouldn't immediately take it?

Don't see why these people would have to be rich. Can you honestly say you wouldn't go for the same if you wanted to start a business? Run it at a fraction of the cost?

Come on now...

Your flag... I have never seen a Santa llama before, and it moves! my life is complete.

[Esternial]

Don't see why these people would have to be rich. Can you honestly say you wouldn't go for the same if you wanted to start a business? Run it at a fraction of the cost?

Come on now...

Your flag... I have never seen a Santa llama before, and it moves! my life is complete.

I've been meaning to change that for...uhh...6 months now.

[Parthagonia]

Your flag... I have never seen a Santa llama before, and it moves! my life is complete.

I've been meaning to change that for...uhh...6 months now.

Why change such greatness?

(lets get back to the topic after this)

[Esternial]

I've been meaning to change that for...uhh...6 months now.

Why change such greatness?

(lets get back to the topic after this)

Had to get around to it eventually.

Voila :)

[Slavakino]

A world without police? We will become Somalia or a primitive world

[Greater vakolicci haven]

My dream would be absolutely nobody, every man for himself etc.
In reality some nutter would likely declare himself god-emperor.

[The Emerald Legion]

Worked for Medieval Iceland.

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A world without police? We will become Somalia or a primitive world

Somalia is full of armed gangs that impose their will on the people. In other words, they have cops.

[Rojava Free State]

In a world without law enforcement, what I want I take, what I don't I break.

And I don't want you.

[Novus America]

A world without police? We will become Somalia or a primitive world

Somalia is full of armed gangs that impose their will on the people. In other words, they have cops.

Right. Disbanding the police is just giving violent gangs control. So how is it a good idea?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Worked for Medieval Iceland.

Different time and I doubt it lacked flaws.

[The Emerald Legion]

Worked for Medieval Iceland.

Different time and I doubt it lacked flaws.

Of course it didn't lack flaws. No system does. We live in a flawed world, and everything built upon a flawed foundation will be likewise.

The different time argument is dumb.

[Novus America]

Different time and I doubt it lacked flaws.

Of course it didn't lack flaws. No system does. We live in a flawed world, and everything built upon a flawed foundation will be likewise.

The different time argument is dumb.

The context does matter. What “worked” in one society and place does not necessarily work today as conditions are radically different.

[Baltenstein]

Worked for Medieval Iceland.

We've unfortunately run out of recently discovered land masses to send our violent criminals to.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Different time and I doubt it lacked flaws.

Of course it didn't lack flaws. No system does. We live in a flawed world, and everything built upon a flawed foundation will be likewise.

The different time argument is dumb.

Not really. It is a time period where blood feuds were the norm, people had hands cut off, and the like. I also don't think that the family of the injured party is going to like having to deal with the scum themselves in modern times, especially when they're not properly trained like out police force is today. Just because something "worked" in the past, does not mean we should reinstate it. It was good for the time, as it was stable compared to other places, but not something I think we should go back to.

Once a court decided a party was guilty, however, it had no executive authority to carry out a sentence. Instead, enforcement of a verdict became the responsibility of the injured party or his family.

Penalties often included financial compensation or outlawry. However, these were considered by some to be insufficient penalties and the Alþingi was only moderately successful at stopping feuds.

[Aureumterra]

chaos and anarchy /thread

[Deamonopolis]

I always loved Mad Max. On the silver screen. In real life? Nah.

[South Reinkalistan]

chaos and anarchy /thread