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World without police?

Postby Purple Rats » Sun May 31, 2020 2:53 pm

I wanna discuss the police issue in general matter, not only U.S based. I know in lot of places the police is not as extreme as in some other areas, but still I have been thinking about the alternatives. There are still terrible people who would abuse their freedom. So which could be alternatives if there would be no police in a way we have now?
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Postby Atheris » Sun May 31, 2020 2:55 pm

The military or private corporations. It'd be terrible.
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Postby Mzeusia » Sun May 31, 2020 2:57 pm

In times before a proper police force, the army was used, and slaves in ancient Greece had some policing responsibilities.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun May 31, 2020 2:58 pm

Atheris wrote:The military or private corporations. It'd be terrible.


^this. Or a militia which starts off as some well-intentioned locals but all too quickly shows itself to be exactly what it is- an unregulated, unaccountable armed mob.
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Postby Dytarma » Sun May 31, 2020 2:58 pm

Military or some privately operated police but not called police.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun May 31, 2020 2:59 pm

Mzeusia wrote:In times before a proper police force, the army was used, and slaves in ancient Greece had some policing responsibilities.


IIRC in England it was a mixture of town guards and bounty hunters.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun May 31, 2020 3:00 pm

the problem is that no matter what the solution is to replace the police departments there will always be those who abuse the power of authority so banning one group because of the actions of a few to then replace it by another group who will have the same problem is not worth it. plus its not a matter of should we ban the police its a matter of developing new tactics to better control suspects in custody without causing harm. better training hands on and classroom work in the academy as well as a culture change in the public if the populace follows the law then there would be no incidences like this. plus not calling this new group the police doesn't make it not the police you maybe frustrated with some of the methods used by US police departments but that doesn't mean you full sale abolish it without putting in place a replacement plus if you can come up with this new group then by all means tell us how your going to recruit, train, pay and watch over this so called not "police" force from abusing it's power.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun May 31, 2020 3:03 pm

We'd have nightwatchman and bounty hunters. Our criminal justice system would probably be more messy and ineffective.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun May 31, 2020 3:06 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:We'd have nightwatchman and bounty hunters. Our criminal justice system would probably be more messy and ineffective.

https://youtu.be/_Lvq90-2BRY so tell me again how bounty hunters would be better?
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Postby Islandia-Durrnil » Sun May 31, 2020 3:08 pm

Martial law exists.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun May 31, 2020 3:11 pm

An organization by any other name that performs police functions is still police.
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Postby Dytarma » Sun May 31, 2020 3:19 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:An organization by any other name that performs police functions is still police.

Not necessarily. Police are for the government, so a truer statement would be what you said but without government interference.
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Postby Andsed » Sun May 31, 2020 3:21 pm

Quite honestly I don't think a world without any kind of police force would be all that good. If I had to guess we would see private security firms or militias replace them creating a pretty rough situation for a lot of people seeing as these groups would have no real accountability.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun May 31, 2020 3:23 pm

Dytarma wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:An organization by any other name that performs police functions is still police.

Not necessarily. Police are for the government, so a truer statement would be what you said but without government interference.

well your wrong. pulled this from wiki

A police force may also be referred to as a police department, police service, constabulary, gendarmerie, crime prevention, protective services, law enforcement agency, civil guard or civic guard[disambiguation needed]. Members may be referred to as police officers, troopers, sheriffs, constables, rangers, peace officers or civic/civil guards. Ireland differs from other English-speaking countries by using the Irish language terms Garda (singular) and Gardaí (plural), for both the national police force and its members. The word "police" is the most universal and similar terms can be seen in many non-English speaking countries.
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Postby Purple Rats » Sun May 31, 2020 3:28 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:An organization by any other name that performs police functions is still police.


Well yeah, I wanted to hear alternatives to police, not alternative names.

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Postby Atheris » Sun May 31, 2020 3:29 pm

Purple Rats wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:An organization by any other name that performs police functions is still police.


Well yeah, I wanted to hear alternatives to police, not alternative names.

That is the alternative.
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Postby Mopistan » Sun May 31, 2020 3:31 pm

I’m not sure whether there could be good alternatives to police unless a sort of ingsoc-type state is created. Police are entirely necessary at this point in time.
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Postby Dytarma » Sun May 31, 2020 3:31 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Dytarma wrote:Not necessarily. Police are for the government, so a truer statement would be what you said but without government interference.

well your wrong. pulled this from wiki

A police force may also be referred to as a police department, police service, constabulary, gendarmerie, crime prevention, protective services, law enforcement agency, civil guard or civic guard[disambiguation needed]. Members may be referred to as police officers, troopers, sheriffs, constables, rangers, peace officers or civic/civil guards. Ireland differs from other English-speaking countries by using the Irish language terms Garda (singular) and Gardaí (plural), for both the national police force and its members. The word "police" is the most universal and similar terms can be seen in many non-English speaking countries.

Am I wrong on the not necessarily or the sentence after it?
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We fit everyone with explosives and if you commit any violent crimes, I push a button and blow you up.
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There's really only one plausible alternative:
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Gig em Aggies wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:We'd have nightwatchman and bounty hunters. Our criminal justice system would probably be more messy and ineffective.

https://youtu.be/_Lvq90-2BRY so tell me again how bounty hunters would be better?

I said they wouldn't be better.
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Postby Ideal Britain » Sun May 31, 2020 3:44 pm

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Atheris wrote:The military or private corporations. It'd be terrible.


^this. Or a militia which starts off as some well-intentioned locals but all too quickly shows itself to be exactly what it is- an unregulated, unaccountable armed mob.

Some militias have been accountable and have elected officials.
Like old school US state ones.
They still didn't have a seperate profession meaning they didn't see themselves as a "superior" class like medieval knights/samurai/Faris or US cops.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun May 31, 2020 3:45 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:https://youtu.be/_Lvq90-2BRY so tell me again how bounty hunters would be better?

I said they wouldn't be better.

oh I misread that then
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
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