America riots after Police kill unarmed Black Man

[The Reformed American Republic]

Looting is never a good idea. I was cool with them though when they trashed the precinct, because the MPD has been fucking around like a five dollar hooker for far too long.

Looting can be a good idea, though. It gets the capitalist to care about a situation, if only it’s about the bottom line.

There is an incredible injustice here, and the looting is no bigger injustice than the fundamental, organisational racism on display, and this serves to highlight that.

You're forgetting that many people who suffer from looting are small business owners who's livelihoods are in those businesses. Multimillion dollar tycoons are not the only people who this effects.

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

Major League Baseball has been infiltrated by communists:

Orioles VP John Angelos defends Freddie Gray protesters in Baltimore, blames unrest on ‘political elite’ ruining economy

That said, my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.

The innocent working families of all backgrounds whose lives and dreams have been cut short by excessive violence, surveillance, and other abuses of the Bill of Rights by government pay the true price, and ultimate price, and one that far exceeds the importances of any kids’ game played tonight, or ever, at Camden Yards. We need to keep in mind people are suffering and dying around the U.S., and while we are thankful no one was injured at Camden Yards, there is a far bigger picture for poor Americans in Baltimore and everywhere who don’t have jobs and are losing economic civil and legal rights, and this makes inconvenience at a ballgame irrelevant in light of the needless suffering government is inflicting upon ordinary Americans.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The only perk to systemtic racism is that you get a free TV once in a while.

Then again, it comes at the price of years of oppression, so perhaps those TVs aren’t actually do cheap.

So you're saying they should be looting the Apple stores? ;P

You always have a way of putting good ideas in my mouth

But I can’t take credit for your genius.

Well... yeah? It's a materialist theory of history.

It's dumb because History isn't about solely the distribution of materials. Furthermore it disregards a fuck ton of shit about the distribution of materials.

Looting can be a good idea, though. It gets the capitalist to care about a situation, if only it’s about the bottom line.

There is an incredible injustice here, and the looting is no bigger injustice than the fundamental, organisational racism on display, and this serves to highlight that.

Disagreed. At this point, the damage done by looting has far exceeded the damage done by that particular cop. As sucky as that cops behavior is.

Give me a single conflict in history that wasn’t, in the end, about the allocation of resources, including money and food?

And these riots are not about one cop. They are about a systemic problem that has existed since the founding of the US and that its system is unable to solve.

And I don’t know, but George Loyd was worth a lot, and he still is. You need to do a lot of value to even come close to his monetary value, let alone his value as a person. You know, the only valuation that is not sucky.

[Liriena]

American police brutality towards black people is kind of (partially, at least) a semi-tangential consequence of socioeconomics, or at the very least the historical socioeconomic disenfranchisement of black Americans.

Indeed. And even if the murder did still happen, people wouldn't be burning down buildings if the economy was managed in a way that valued them as human beings.

The way in which people react to the destruction of public and private property, in my experience, is often very reflective of their social class and their relationship with the institutions that own said property. A lot of people who could be described as bourgeois clutch their pearls at vandalism because they have a beneficial relationship with the damaged property. They might even feel it as an intrinsic part of their identity, almost as if they themselves owned it. But what historic, socioeconomic and emotional bond do most working class people have with a Walmart, a police station or a fancy public building? Historically, they are precisely the social class that was excluded from even the pretense that they had any sort of ownership over them, be it as valued consumers, citizens or voters.

[Liriena]

Major League Baseball has been infiltrated by communists:

Orioles VP John Angelos defends Freddie Gray protesters in Baltimore, blames unrest on ‘political elite’ ruining economy

That said, my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.

The innocent working families of all backgrounds whose lives and dreams have been cut short by excessive violence, surveillance, and other abuses of the Bill of Rights by government pay the true price, and ultimate price, and one that far exceeds the importances of any kids’ game played tonight, or ever, at Camden Yards. We need to keep in mind people are suffering and dying around the U.S., and while we are thankful no one was injured at Camden Yards, there is a far bigger picture for poor Americans in Baltimore and everywhere who don’t have jobs and are losing economic civil and legal rights, and this makes inconvenience at a ballgame irrelevant in light of the needless suffering government is inflicting upon ordinary Americans.

Based.

[Liriena]

Looting can be a good idea, though. It gets the capitalist to care about a situation, if only it’s about the bottom line.

There is an incredible injustice here, and the looting is no bigger injustice than the fundamental, organisational racism on display, and this serves to highlight that.

You're forgetting that many people who suffer from looting are small business owners who's livelihoods are in those businesses. Multimillion dollar tycoons are not the only people who this effects.

So you're saying we should take the looters and rioters to the Walton family estate?

[The Reformed American Republic]

You're forgetting that many people who suffer from looting are small business owners who's livelihoods are in those businesses. Multimillion dollar tycoons are not the only people who this effects.

So you're saying we should take the looters and rioters to the Walton family estate?

They don't need over 50 billion dollars. Go ahead.

[Brunswick-upon-Raritan]

So you're saying they should be looting the Apple stores? ;P

You always have a way of putting good ideas in my mouth

But I can’t take credit for your genius.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Looting can be a good idea, though. It gets the capitalist to care about a situation, if only it’s about the bottom line.

There is an incredible injustice here, and the looting is no bigger injustice than the fundamental, organisational racism on display, and this serves to highlight that.

You're forgetting that many people who suffer from looting are small business owners who's livelihoods are in those businesses. Multimillion dollar tycoons are not the only people who this effects.

Any evidence that small business are being looted?

[South Odreria 2]

You're forgetting that many people who suffer from looting are small business owners who's livelihoods are in those businesses. Multimillion dollar tycoons are not the only people who this effects.

Any evidence that small business are being looted?

There was video of a liquor store.

[N7eternia]

I still can't sleep over seeing another murder in broad daylight in less than 2 weeks.

How can you justify this man dying?

[Ifreann]

I can see why you believe that when you apparently insert the word "magically" into my posts. If you would read what I actually post then I don't think you'll find me saying that any of the radical changes I might propose could be enacted easily.


Your own city saw crime fall when the NYPD, outraged at some of their comrades in arms facing the possibility of legal consequences for killing Eric Garner, took work-to-rule industrial action. They ignored their "proactive policing" duties for seven weeks, and during that period both minor and serious crime fell. But I suppose that was just an unwelcome intrusion of fantasy land into reality, where pro-social behaviour can only come about at gunpoint.

They ignored taking crime reports, so crime statistics were down.

They didn't ignore serious crime and that fell too.

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But surely this is madness, every state needs hundreds of police forces. For some reason.

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That you have such a naive view of the world as to believe that the only way to address crime is an armed and violent police force has nothing to do with me or the things I post.


Do you think so? If I go and protest against the government then they wouldn't shoot me. Clearly the same cannot be said of the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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I am not talking about what you support or oppose. I am talking about your assertion that the police in the US are viewed with distrust. This is hard to believe given the power they have been granted. That you oppose that grant of power does not clarify matters. As I believe I have gone over before, you are not in charge of the US.

Have you seen the history of the US? The elite doesn’t give a shit what the people think. The people’s distrust of law enforcement doesn’t matter to the powers that be who are more than happy to continue arming the police to keep the citizens under control.

You do have elections in America. If you're all so distrustful of the police then maybe keep that in mind while voting.

Which is why we the people need to be armed. And yes while I might not be in charge that doesn’t stop me from giving my opinion on how we should do things, because if we used your shitty logic nobody would be able to say anything on this site.

I'm not telling you not to share your opinion. But if I'm asking about what is and you reply with what you want then you aren't answering the question I asked. If I ask how it can be that the police have so much power if Americans are as distrustful of them as you say and you reply that you don't approve of that power then you aren't answering the question I asked.

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So to get away with corruption and murder the local cops would just have to sway the opinions of their neighbours. Tear up speeding tickets for the people on the complaints committee, let their kids off with a warning, patrol their neighbourhood regularly. Or go the other way. Pull them over five times a day, hold their kids overnight, take the scenic route when responding to 911 calls from them.

And that wouldn’t happen to State or national review board for what reason exactly?

If your jurisdiction stops at the city limits and the people reviewing your case are not in that city then it's hard to abuse your power to get a favourable result in your case.

Also according to that shitty logic we shouldn’t have local DAs because they might be corrupt.

Yes, District Attorneys are often very biased towards the police out of practical necessity.

But none of your fantasies have happened yet in any city that already has a civilian oversight committee. But I guess facts are evil

You're right, there is no police corruption anywhere with a civilian oversight committee.

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Anywho, I hear far-right civil-war-wanters are doing an entryism on these protests.

[Rijkenlandd]

So you're saying we should take the looters and rioters to the Walton family estate?

They don't need over 50 billion dollars. Go ahead.

What are the rioters gonna do with 50 billion? Spend it all on nicotine and liquor?

[Liriena]

They don't need over 50 billion dollars. Go ahead.

What are the rioters gonna do with 50 billion? Spend it all on nicotine and liquor?

If they did, they certainly would be doing more to spur economic growth with it than the Waltons are.

[South Odreria 2]

I'm seeing left-right conspiracy theory unity that government agents set fire to the buildings.

[The Reformed American Republic]

You're forgetting that many people who suffer from looting are small business owners who's livelihoods are in those businesses. Multimillion dollar tycoons are not the only people who this effects.

Any evidence that small business are being looted?

https://m.startribune.com/minneapolis-s ... 570833292/

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They don't need over 50 billion dollars. Go ahead.

What are the rioters gonna do with 50 billion? Spend it all on nicotine and liquor?

Considering that billionaires use their money to subvert democracy, control the media, exploit workers, and buy off governments to go to war so they can make even more money off death and destruction, I would welcome someone spending that money on nicotine and liquor instead

[The Reformed American Republic]

They don't need over 50 billion dollars. Go ahead.

What are the rioters gonna do with 50 billion? Spend it all on nicotine and liquor?

Rioters are not going to be able to steal billions anyway. I'm just saying I'm unconcerned if rioters target them, as they're not going to starve.

[Liriena]

I'm seeing left-right conspiracy theory unity that government agents set fire to the buildings.

Undercover cops vandalizing property to undermine protesters is not unheard of, but it's also not the sort of thing I'd automatically assume to be the case in situations like this.

[Rijkenlandd]

What are the rioters gonna do with 50 billion? Spend it all on nicotine and liquor?

Rioters are not going to be able to steal billions anyway. I'm just saying I'm unconcerned if rioters target them, as they're not going to starve.

Rioting and looting are just excuses for poors to get free shit instead of working for it themselves. And be primally savage about it too if you think of it.

[Liriena]

Rioters are not going to be able to steal billions anyway. I'm just saying I'm unconcerned if rioters target them, as they're not going to starve.

Rioting and looting are just excuses for poors to get free shit instead of working for it themselves. And be primally savage about it too if you think of it.

As Gritty says: steal from Walmart, piss in the parking lot, be free.

[Valrifell]

Major League Baseball has been infiltrated by communists:

Orioles VP John Angelos defends Freddie Gray protesters in Baltimore, blames unrest on ‘political elite’ ruining economy

Based.

The MLB has always been full of comrades when compared to other professional sports leagues.

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Rioters are not going to be able to steal billions anyway. I'm just saying I'm unconcerned if rioters target them, as they're not going to starve.

Rioting and looting are just excuses for poors to get free shit instead of working for it themselves. And be primally savage about it too if you think of it.

It's the rich who get free shit instead of working for it themselves.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Rioters are not going to be able to steal billions anyway. I'm just saying I'm unconcerned if rioters target them, as they're not going to starve.

Rioting and looting are just excuses for poors to get free shit instead of working for it themselves. And be primally savage about it too if you think of it.

Those "poors" don't have all the opportunities you think they do. There is a reason wealth is consolidating, and it ain't because a vast majority of humanity is lazy.

[Darth Alcor]

I still can't sleep over seeing another murder in broad daylight in less than 2 weeks.

How can you justify this man dying?

There’s no way to justify this murder, and the people who committed it need to be held accountable. That being said, it doesn’t excuse the rioting, protests, etc. during a pandemic. Destroying a police precinct is uncalled for, especially considering the department’s response to the murder. However taking an innocent life is also uncalled for, and these 4 officers involved should be punished.