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Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:49 pm**

It's reached me here now, and I've heard rumors of confrontations with police. There seem to be people infiltrating the protests.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:49 pm**

Australian rePublic wrote:I don't get these people. They're protesting violence against black people, by setting black people's businesses on fire

It's chaos. Once a riot happens rather than a peaceful protest, a lot of rationality goes out the window.

Although I strongly sympathise with the anger, I can't help but despair when I see things like the rioters beating some random poor bastard either half to death or to death.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:49 pm**

Slavakino wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:I don't get these people. They're protesting violence against black people, by setting black people's businesses on fire

I really don't want to think this but I feel like they are using it as an excuse to start breaking and looting shit

Liriena wrote:I think your first mistake is using the same "they" to describe a very, very broad and unorganized mass of people dispersed across a vast geographical area who are engaging in a wide variety of actions and with unknown amounts of actual overlap. People setting black people's businesses on fire in the middle of protests are not necessarily active participants in them nor necessarily hold the same motivations.

In short: don't overgeneralize.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:49 pm**

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Alabama joins the fight: https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2020 ... abama.html

Protests in Hoover, Birmingham, Montgomery, Huntsville, and upcoming in Mobile. All peaceful so far.

lets hope they stay that way I mean what would MLK think of all of the looting and beating the shit out of people for no reason.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:51 pm**

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Alabama joins the fight: https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2020 ... abama.html

Protests in Hoover, Birmingham, Montgomery, Huntsville, and upcoming in Mobile. All peaceful so far.

lets hope they stay that way I mean what would MLK think of all of the looting and beating the shit out of people for no reason.

If you actually gave a single fuck about MLK as anything other than a rhetorical prop, you'd know exactly what he thought about riots.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:52 pm**

Reports coming of a cop stabbed in the neck in Jacksonville Florida

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:52 pm**

Diahon wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:I googled Japan riots and couldn’t find anything?

some cops arrested a kurd who wasn't doing anything, so people held protests

nothing escalating to actual riots, though

Japanese people generally don't cause excessive trouble. I heard a story of an innocent guy who was on death row for ten years, not knowing everyday whether he'll live or die. Since he was aquitted, he took to protesting the injustices of Japan's legal system, by setting up an operation in front of some court house or something, with nothing but a few signs and maybe a megaphone. No rioting, not looting, no nothing

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:53 pm**

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Alabama joins the fight: https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2020 ... abama.html

Protests in Hoover, Birmingham, Montgomery, Huntsville, and upcoming in Mobile. All peaceful so far.

Hopefully they stay peaceful. Although still the issue of protesting in Alabama is not likely to change Minneapolis city politics but sure, I am all for peaceful protests.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:53 pm**

Liriena wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:lets hope they stay that way I mean what would MLK think of all of the looting and beating the shit out of people for no reason.

If you actually gave a single fuck about MLK as anything other than a rhetorical prop, you'd know exactly what he thought about riots.

Video not avaliable in my country. Effing region block

Also, not knowing every little detail about what one person believed=/=not give an eff about that person

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:53 pm**

Diahon wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:We’re gonna need some evidence on national guard shooting journalists

https://twitter.com/PLBarghouty/status/ ... 54690?s=20
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1266911 ... 94722?s=20

I don’t see any shooting

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:53 pm**

Australian rePublic wrote:I don't get these people. They're protesting violence against black people, by setting black people's businesses on fire

I really don't want to think this but I feel like they are using it as an excuse to start breaking and looting shit

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:54 pm**

Novus America wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Alabama joins the fight: https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2020 ... abama.html

Protests in Hoover, Birmingham, Montgomery, Huntsville, and upcoming in Mobile. All peaceful so far.

Hopefully they stay peaceful. Although still the issue of protesting in Alabama is not likely to change Minneapolis city politics but sure, I am all for peaceful protests.

I'm sure there's police issues in Alabama, too.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:55 pm**

Australian rePublic wrote:
Liriena wrote:If you actually gave a single fuck about MLK as anything other than a rhetorical prop, you'd know exactly what he thought about riots.

Video not avaliable in my country. Effing region block

…I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:55 pm**

Miami and Chicago just went up.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:56 pm**

Slavakino wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:I don't get these people. They're protesting violence against black people, by setting black people's businesses on fire

I really don't want to think this but I feel like they are using it as an excuse to start breaking and looting shit

I believe that many of the people responsible for those things are trying to discredit the real protesters.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:56 pm**

Liriena wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:lets hope they stay that way I mean what would MLK think of all of the looting and beating the shit out of people for no reason.

If you actually gave a single fuck about MLK as anything other than a rhetorical prop, you'd know exactly what he thought about riots.

yes I heard that. He stated a riot is the language of the unheard but that doesn't mean burn the cities down and beat people half to death that's not what MLK was about. plus I was asking a question not using him as a rhetorical prop as you think.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:57 pm**

Albrenia wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:I don't get these people. They're protesting violence against black people, by setting black people's businesses on fire

It's chaos. Once a riot happens rather than a peaceful protest, a lot of rationality goes out the window.

Although I strongly sympathise with the anger, I can't help but despair when I see things like the rioters beating some random poor bastard either half to death or to death.

Exactly. The anger is understandable (although I do think lacking in introspection, again our governments are elected) but now we have accelerationist sociopaths murdering and pillaging in places, which is obviously not helping.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:57 pm**

Aureumterra wrote:
Diahon wrote:
https://twitter.com/PLBarghouty/status/ ... 54690?s=20
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1266911 ... 94722?s=20

I don’t see any shooting

https://twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status ... 6339675137

Not a journalist, just a bystander doing her groceries.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:57 pm**

Diahon wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:We’re gonna need some evidence on national guard shooting journalists

https://twitter.com/PLBarghouty/status/ ... 54690?s=20
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1266911 ... 94722?s=20

Police state USA. So much for the first amendment.

BTW fuck NYPD. All the violence and bloodshed they're suffering now is fully deserved after they ran over protesters on the road today, beat a woman last night and spent the last few decades terrorizing NYC as one of its worst gangs next to the Trinitarios.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:57 pm**

Liriena wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:lets hope they stay that way I mean what would MLK think of all of the looting and beating the shit out of people for no reason.

If you actually gave a single fuck about MLK as anything other than a rhetorical prop, you'd know exactly what he thought about riots.

If you actually gave a single fuck, you would watch the video and listen to what he says instead of going off the title, because it’s not what you think he says.

As in, he never ever was explicitly pro-riot, that’s a myth people are spreading on twitter over the last couple days. I do hope no one uses twitter as a news source

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:58 pm**

Ah yes. Fox News reporter here in LA just went off on a tangent about how the riots are somehow Vladimir Putins fault for "spreading divisiveness"

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 8:59 pm**

Geneviev wrote:
Slavakino wrote:I really don't want to think this but I feel like they are using it as an excuse to start breaking and looting shit

I believe that many of the people responsible for those things are trying to discredit the real protesters.

It's a possibility, but as a general rule I try not to assign ulterior motives to that sort of thing. Sometimes a protest turns violent because individuals within the group want to be violent. Sometimes it's just random, uninvolved people who saw an opportunity in the unrest to cause harm with impunity.

That said, the amount of stuff that's been circulating about suspicious people inciting violence in otherwise peaceful protests does raise alarm. And agent provocateurs are a real thing.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 9:00 pm**

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Hopefully they stay peaceful. Although still the issue of protesting in Alabama is not likely to change Minneapolis city politics but sure, I am all for peaceful protests.

I'm sure there's police issues in Alabama, too.

I am sure there is. But the whole thing still seems a bit unfocussed. What specific policies in which specific cities are they asking to change?
Pointing out a general problem is one thing. Finding actually implementable solutions and implementing them? That has been lacking.

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 9:00 pm**

Rojava Free State wrote:Miami and Chicago just went up.

Even the pro-Trump cubans are out there protesting the police, and protecting businesses

Posted: **Sat May 30, 2020 9:01 pm**

Aureumterra wrote:
Liriena wrote:If you actually gave a single fuck about MLK as anything other than a rhetorical prop, you'd know exactly what he thought about riots.

If you actually gave a single fuck, you would watch the video and listen to what he says instead of going off the title, because it’s not what you think he says.

As in, he never ever was explicitly pro-riot, that’s a myth people are spreading on twitter over the last couple days. I do hope no one uses twitter as a news source

"And so in a real sense, our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay."

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