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Postby SangMar » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:45 am

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More interestingly, if a cop (on duty) sprayed a civilian with "water" I wouldn't find grounds for arrest.

It's not that I trust cops to use water when it seems to be water, more than civilians. It's because the cop has a badge and can be ID'd through their commander, so they can be prosecuted if the "water" turned out to be something dangerous. It's not necessary to arrest them to ID them, so there's not enough reason for an arrest.

Essential to this line of reasoning is that assaulting someone with a sprinkle of (somehow verified) plain water is not itself a sufficiently serious crime to warrant arrest and charge, so unless there's suspicion of something else or property is damaged by the water, it wouldn't be enough for an arrest either. Arrest without charge is sometimes justified: for probable cause or to remove a person from a situation (say blocking traffic) or perhaps to allow them to talk freely without other civilian witnesses. In this case it would be "probable cause for a search" and it might be only a few minutes before the cop who got sprinkled is reassured that they haven't been poisoned or maimed. The "search" being their investigation of the effects of the liquid.


Ah water and police and accountability.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_o ... 20touch%22.

Tl:dr pigs 'punished' a mentally ill black man by boiling him alive in a prison shower.

A couple of them lost their jobs.


They’re not cops though. They’re corrections officers from the sounds of it.
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:45 am

Sociopathic Border Patrol chief posted a Tweet showing armed agents posing over an abandoned VIGIL with candles and tributes as the kind of “criminal activity” he’s cracking down on.

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Postby SangMar » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:47 am

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Sociopathic Border Patrol chief posted a Tweet showing armed agents posing over an abandoned VIGIL with candles and tributes as the kind of “criminal activity” he’s cracking down on.

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Hahaha. That’s cute. They really don’t have much to do, evidently.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:49 am

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Sociopathic Border Patrol chief posted a Tweet showing armed agents posing over an abandoned VIGIL with candles and tributes as the kind of “criminal activity” he’s cracking down on.

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San Diego as in California? When was that?
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I hope the protests and civil disobedience continue until they force local, state and federal governments to outright disband their abusive law enforcement institutions. LA cutting their cops' budget by $150 million is a start, but not quite enough.
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Candace Owens is still a total piece of shit and probably the most psychotic out of all of the Koch-funded grifters out there.
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Postby SangMar » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:53 am

Liriena wrote:I hope the protests and civil disobedience continue until they force local, state and federal governments to outright disband their abusive law enforcement institutions. LA cutting their cops' budget by $150 million is a start, but not quite enough.


Yes. Much of the United State’s law enforcement are broken - they need to be completely built back up - with systematic changes.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:55 am

Caracasus wrote:
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More interestingly, if a cop (on duty) sprayed a civilian with "water" I wouldn't find grounds for arrest.

It's not that I trust cops to use water when it seems to be water, more than civilians. It's because the cop has a badge and can be ID'd through their commander, so they can be prosecuted if the "water" turned out to be something dangerous. It's not necessary to arrest them to ID them, so there's not enough reason for an arrest.

Essential to this line of reasoning is that assaulting someone with a sprinkle of (somehow verified) plain water is not itself a sufficiently serious crime to warrant arrest and charge, so unless there's suspicion of something else or property is damaged by the water, it wouldn't be enough for an arrest either. Arrest without charge is sometimes justified: for probable cause or to remove a person from a situation (say blocking traffic) or perhaps to allow them to talk freely without other civilian witnesses. In this case it would be "probable cause for a search" and it might be only a few minutes before the cop who got sprinkled is reassured that they haven't been poisoned or maimed. The "search" being their investigation of the effects of the liquid.


Ah water and police and accountability.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_o ... 20touch%22.

Tl:dr pigs 'punished' a mentally ill black man by boiling him alive in a prison shower.

A couple of them lost their jobs.


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Postby New Bremerton » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:56 am

Liriena wrote:
New Bremerton wrote:BLM protesters AND police in London violate social distancing guidelines

The cops (most of them) weren't even wearing face masks. They should all be fired together with Dominic Cummings. Bit hypocritical of leftist, BLM protesters and media to suddenly turn a blind eye to the lack of social distancing because "mUh wHiTe sUpReMaCy".

Nice to know you'll gleefully dismiss an objectively real, serious and systemic issue in law enforcement in the western hemisphere.


Nice to know you'll gleefully dismiss an objectively real, serious, and systemic failure of coronavirus containment measures in the Western hemisphere. Last time I checked, it's the Western hemisphere, both America and your own continent down south that's currently being ravaged by millions of infections and hundreds of thousands of deaths. Here in the Asia-Pacific, we're doing perfectly fine. This includes HK, where daily new cases are in single digits and protests against Carrie Lam and Xi Jinping are extremely commonplace. Here, protesters observe social distancing, are largely peaceful unless attacked first by jackbooted HKPF thugs, and don't engage in looting.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:57 am

SangMar wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Sociopathic Border Patrol chief posted a Tweet showing armed agents posing over an abandoned VIGIL with candles and tributes as the kind of “criminal activity” he’s cracking down on.

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Hahaha. That’s cute. They really don’t have much to do, evidently.


Maybe they're guarding the vigil against candle thieves ...
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:57 am

Liriena wrote:Candace Owens is still a total piece of shit and probably the most psychotic out of all of the Koch-funded grifters out there.

"I DO NOT support George Floyd"

Candace, he's dead, not running for office.

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Postby SangMar » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:00 am

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Liriena wrote:Nice to know you'll gleefully dismiss an objectively real, serious and systemic issue in law enforcement in the western hemisphere.


Nice to know you'll gleefully dismiss an objectively real, serious, and systemic failure of coronavirus containment measures in the Western hemisphere. Last time I checked, it's the Western hemisphere, both America and your own continent down south that's currently being ravaged by millions of infections and hundreds of thousands of deaths. Here in the Asia-Pacific, we're doing perfectly fine. This includes HK, where daily new cases are in single digits and protests against Carrie Lam and Xi Jinping are extremely commonplace. Here, protesters observe social distancing, are largely peaceful unless attacked first by jackbooted HKPF thugs, and don't engage in looting.


How did we get here? Considering London isn’t in the Western Hemisphere?
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:01 am

Liriena wrote:Candace Owens is still a total piece of shit and probably the most psychotic out of all of the Koch-funded grifters out there.

What an Aunt Jemima.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:02 am

New Bremerton wrote:
Liriena wrote:Nice to know you'll gleefully dismiss an objectively real, serious and systemic issue in law enforcement in the western hemisphere.


Nice to know you'll gleefully dismiss an objectively real, serious, and systemic failure of coronavirus containment measures in the Western hemisphere. Last time I checked, it's the Western hemisphere, both America and your own continent down south that's currently being ravaged by millions of infections and hundreds of thousands of deaths. Here in the Asia-Pacific, we're doing perfectly fine. This includes HK, where daily new cases are in single digits and protests against Carrie Lam and Xi Jinping are extremely commonplace. Here, protesters observe social distancing, are largely peaceful unless attacked first by jackbooted HKPF thugs, and don't engage in looting.

America's coronavirus containment had already failed long before the protests started, and the fact that it failed as hard as it did definitely played a role in inciting these protests. Waaaaay too many people were left economically neglected by a government that was only half-heartedly trying to keep them safe from the virus In those conditions, expecting people not to take to the streets when police brutality adds insult to injury is naive. What else was there for the people now protesting to do? Many of them weren't going to be able to continue with social distancing due to the collapse of the economy, meaning that they would inevitably have to endanger themselves in the name of a failing economic system and all because of the selfish interests of the ruling class.

And also, my own continent down south? Don't generalize us. Us Argentinians have been handling it fine, better than most in the hemisphere.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:03 am

New Bremerton wrote:
Liriena wrote:Nice to know you'll gleefully dismiss an objectively real, serious and systemic issue in law enforcement in the western hemisphere.


Nice to know you'll gleefully dismiss an objectively real, serious, and systemic failure of coronavirus containment measures in the Western hemisphere. Last time I checked, it's the Western hemisphere, both America and your own continent down south that's currently being ravaged by millions of infections and hundreds of thousands of deaths. Here in the Asia-Pacific, we're doing perfectly fine. This includes HK, where daily new cases are in single digits and protests against Carrie Lam and Xi Jinping are extremely commonplace. Here, protesters observe social distancing, are largely peaceful unless attacked first by jackbooted HKPF thugs, and don't engage in looting.


Your protesters are generally very self-disciplined, including the social distancing and not looting.

You really shouldn't gloat over how poorly the US and Europe are handling the coronavirus though. It would be too much to ask that you be sympathetic, just hold your tongue a bit is all I'm saying.
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Ifreann wrote:
Liriena wrote:Candace Owens is still a total piece of shit and probably the most psychotic out of all of the Koch-funded grifters out there.

"I DO NOT support George Floyd"

Candace, he's dead, not running for office.

Apparently she argues that Floyd was a bad person and had it coming.

She's either beyond deranged or beyond cynical.
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Liriena wrote:Candace Owens is still a total piece of shit and probably the most psychotic out of all of the Koch-funded grifters out there.

What an Aunt Jemima.


“I DO NOT support George Floyd.”

Like excuse me? This isn’t a Michael Brown situation where there’s no video and numerous conflicting eye witness accounts. This is literally a cold-blooded murder/manslaughter. The fact is, the police checked for a pulse, found none and remained on him for three further minutes.
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Postby SangMar » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:04 am

Liriena wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"I DO NOT support George Floyd"

Candace, he's dead, not running for office.

Apparently she argues that Floyd was a bad person and had it coming.

She's either beyond deranged or beyond cynical.


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Medics and Doctors at an aid station approved by the Asheville city gov. get surrounded by cops who push them aside and start attacking their station. The cops literally stab the water bottles that the medics were handing out.

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Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Medics and Doctors at an aid station approved by the Asheville city gov. get surrounded by cops who push them aside and start attacking their station. The cops literally stab the water bottles that the medics were handing out.


Trying to dry out the protests. Fucking hogs.
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Liriena wrote:Candace Owens is still a total piece of shit and probably the most psychotic out of all of the Koch-funded grifters out there.

Is “Koch Funded” the modern version of “Globalist Jew?”
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Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Medics and Doctors at an aid station approved by the Asheville city gov. get surrounded by cops who push them aside and start attacking their station. The cops literally stab the water bottles that the medics were handing out.


"Let's do war crimes! That'll show these libs!", idiot psychopath pigs apparently
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Liriena wrote:Candace Owens is still a total piece of shit and probably the most psychotic out of all of the Koch-funded grifters out there.

Is “Koch Funded” the modern version of “Globalist Jew?”

No. You're thinking about the "Soros secretly controls antifa and BLM and gay people" imbeciles.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:09 am

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:Medics and Doctors at an aid station approved by the Asheville city gov. get surrounded by cops who push them aside and start attacking their station. The cops literally stab the water bottles that the medics were handing out.


What could possibly make them think that's a good idea?
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:09 am

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Liriena wrote:Candace Owens is still a total piece of shit and probably the most psychotic out of all of the Koch-funded grifters out there.

Is “Koch Funded” the modern version of “Globalist Jew?”

No, you're thinking of Soros Funded.
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