America riots after Police kill unarmed Black Man

[Gormwood]

Trump building a big, beautiful wall around the White House.

I'm guessing that Mexico won't be paying for this one either.


That only means...DEBT TIME!

Remember guys, either he will eliminate the debt in 8 years or will pay back a "percentage of it" in 8 years.

And a degree from Trump University means you'll make lots of money in real estate.

[Ifreann]

Trump building a big, beautiful wall around the White House.

Well he did want a wall

I think he wanted a bigger one, but you take what you can get.

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Based on the stuff I've been seeing, alot of them gotta have an IQ of like 59. "You say bad thing about me, I beat you with club" is like their go to motto.

I swear it’s the opposite in the UK. Cops do all the right things at these protests, people attack anyway.

Does the Met pay you for this?

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Nope. All they did was toss some water. No one was harmed or was in danger. Stop making excuses for the police.

You're defending a rioter. When a protester crosses that line from yelling at police to assaulting police with a substance, they're no longer a protester, they're a rioter.

"But it was only water" you whine. Prove it.

I think it's self evident from the fact that the officer didn't collapse in pain from chemical burns.

[Rojava Free State]

You're defending a rioter. When a protester crosses that line from yelling at police to assaulting police with a substance, they're no longer a protester, they're a rioter.

"But it was only water" you whine. Prove it.

Would you consider this image people being assulted?

Bro that ain't just an attack. That's a damn weapon of mass destruction.

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According to the police water parks are places of mass assault.

I can imagine the police entering a Waterpark to chase looters and accidentally triggering the equipment, and all you hear on the radio is "WE'RE UNDER ATTACK! SEND SOME BACK UP, I'M TAKING FIRE FROM UNKNOWN ASSAILANTS!"

Then they'll go to the Lazy River and find an sleeping dad in the raft, beat him and spray him while yelling 'stop resisting!"

[Ifreann]

Trump building a big, beautiful wall around the White House.

I'm glad he's feeling insecure and unsafe. In reality, there is almost no chance of anyone getting to him. But I like the thought that he worries about it.

He no doubt wants to be able to have more photo ops.

[SangMar]

Well he did want a wall

I think he wanted a bigger one, but you take what you can get.

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I swear it’s the opposite in the UK. Cops do all the right things at these protests, people attack anyway.

Does the Met pay you for this?

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You're defending a rioter. When a protester crosses that line from yelling at police to assaulting police with a substance, they're no longer a protester, they're a rioter.

"But it was only water" you whine. Prove it.

I think it's self evident from the fact that the officer didn't collapse in pain from chemical burns.

No. But given how I specifically qualified it with “at these protests”, I think I’m justified.

[SangMar]

Would you consider this image people being assulted?

Bro that ain't just an attack. That's a damn weapon of mass destruction.

Tsar Bomba (colourised).

[Gormwood]

I'm glad he's feeling insecure and unsafe. In reality, there is almost no chance of anyone getting to him. But I like the thought that he worries about it.

He no doubt wants to be able to have more photo ops.

Steel fencing around the White House is an awesome image!

[Rojava Free State]

I can imagine the police entering a Waterpark to chase looters and accidentally triggering the equipment, and all you hear on the radio is "WE'RE UNDER ATTACK! SEND SOME BACK UP, I'M TAKING FIRE FROM UNKNOWN ASSAILANTS!"

Then they'll go to the Lazy River and find an sleeping dad in the raft, beat him and spray him while yelling 'stop resisting!"

Some cops kill a guy and when they're trying to cuff the dead corpse, they're like "STOP RESISTING STOP RESISTING"

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I don't get the reference. But I hope we can agree that throwing bleach at cops would not be OK?

Google Andy Ngo. Milkshakes mixed with cement became a popular Internet object after that incident.

Like it's OK to throw milkshakes at people.

The gist that I'm getting is that US people are so tolerant of petty crime that it never gets reported to police (except by people like Andy Ngo who have to exaggerate it to be taken seriously), and a better approach by law enforcement might be to build beautiful luxurious prisons for the small section of the population who are fully law-abiding. Let the serious criminals have the streets!

[Ifreann]

I think he wanted a bigger one, but you take what you can get.

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Does the Met pay you for this?

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I think it's self evident from the fact that the officer didn't collapse in pain from chemical burns.

No. But given how I specifically qualified it with “at these protests”, I think I’m justified.

Maybe you should apply for a job at their PR department, you clearly have a passion for the work.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Imagine losing your son and then years later people try to hijack his death to use as a weapon against people fighting for justice


Not only was the argument a load of bollocks in the first place considering RIgby's killers were immediately taken into custody and sentenced, but it shows they dont give a fuck about that mans death other than as a political tool against people they dont like.

[SangMar]

No. But given how I specifically qualified it with “at these protests”, I think I’m justified.

Maybe you should apply for a job at their PR department, you clearly have a passion for the work.

Nah, I prefer the gold stars and sleepovers I get in their custody cells.

[SangMar]

Imagine losing your son and then years later people try to hijack his death to use as a weapon against people fighting for justice


Not only was the argument a load of bollocks in the first place considering RIgby's killers were immediately taken into custody and sentenced, but it shows they dont give a fuck about that mans death other than as a political tool against people they dont like.

Yeah. I don’t really have much else to add to this.

[Caracasus]

Unknown liquids looks like water can be deadly This is a terrorist attack!

Congratulations, you're the first to point out the cops had no way to know it was water.

IMO police should have arrested the water thrower.
If no cops get sick or suffer burns, let the water thrower go.
Or IF it turns out it wasn't just water, charge the "water" thrower.

I expect the parade of Fuck the Police posters will now attack me with ridiculous claims police should give members of the public the benefit of the doubt when attacked with an unknown substance. But I don't care any more, I was going to bed anyway.

Nonsense.

The protestors correctly ascertained that the police were carrying equipment that can, in some circumstances, cause fires. The water was a prememptive measure designed to contain that hypothetical fire before it occurred.

The protestors of course had no way of knowing if there was going to be a fire or not, but obviously acted properly to prevent the hypothetical I just pulled out my arse.

[SangMar]

Imagine losing your son and then years later people try to hijack his death to use as a weapon against people fighting for justice


Not only was the argument a load of bollocks in the first place considering RIgby's killers were immediately taken into custody and sentenced, but it shows they dont give a fuck about that mans death other than as a political tool against people they dont like.

Yeah. I don’t really have much else to add to this.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

You're defending a rioter. When a protester crosses that line from yelling at police to assaulting police with a substance, they're no longer a protester, they're a rioter.

"But it was only water" you whine. Prove it.

If someone throws a caustic substance at you, it's normally pretty obvious pretty quickly.

Within a minute or so yeah, unless it gets in your eyes. Then you'd know right away.

That's why I say the right approach would be to arrest the liquid thrower right away. Don't shoot rubber bullets at them, that's certain to make them retreat into the crowd. The cop nearest (who got the most liquid on them) should have grabbed that person by their clothes and pulled.

There's a barrier of bicycles which I guess is supposed to keep the crowd back. A mistake in my opinion, since they also keep the cops back and make affecting any arrests difficult.

Hurting people (or injuring them) with rubber bullets would only be justified in self defense or defense of others. I do after all agree that the risk of the liquid being something more toxic than water was low, it doesn't justify the violent act of "defense". But that low level of risk IS enough for probable cause to arrest. The person MAY be in the act of committing a crime, and that would be discovered after arresting them.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Google Andy Ngo. Milkshakes mixed with cement became a popular Internet object after that incident.

Like it's OK to throw milkshakes at people.

The gist that I'm getting is that US people are so tolerant of petty crime that it never gets reported to police (except by people like Andy Ngo who have to exaggerate it to be taken seriously), and a better approach by law enforcement might be to build beautiful luxurious prisons for the small section of the population who are fully law-abiding. Let the serious criminals have the streets!

It isnt.

No, all the US needs is cop reform and removing private prisons.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Congratulations, you're the first to point out the cops had no way to know it was water.

IMO police should have arrested the water thrower.
If no cops get sick or suffer burns, let the water thrower go.
Or IF it turns out it wasn't just water, charge the "water" thrower.

I expect the parade of Fuck the Police posters will now attack me with ridiculous claims police should give members of the public the benefit of the doubt when attacked with an unknown substance. But I don't care any more, I was going to bed anyway.

Nonsense.

The protestors correctly ascertained that the police were carrying equipment that can, in some circumstances, cause fires. The water was a prememptive measure designed to contain that hypothetical fire before it occurred.

The protestors of course had no way of knowing if there was going to be a fire or not, but obviously acted properly to prevent the hypothetical I just pulled out my arse.

Well next time I expect they will bring proper equipment: a fire engine. Or a water cannon. Actually knock some cops on their asses, I'm sure that will be widely applauded here.

[SangMar]

Like it's OK to throw milkshakes at people.

The gist that I'm getting is that US people are so tolerant of petty crime that it never gets reported to police (except by people like Andy Ngo who have to exaggerate it to be taken seriously), and a better approach by law enforcement might be to build beautiful luxurious prisons for the small section of the population who are fully law-abiding. Let the serious criminals have the streets!

It isnt.

No, all the US needs is cop reform and removing private prisons.

*National oversight board - not the current system which has a patchwork of civilian review boards and such.
*60 police forces, not 17,500.
*No MRAPs, camouflaged clothing or shit like that - sure, fully automatic weapons are great though - no one wants another North Hollywood shootout.
*Better combatives training.
*An overhaul in training nationally - maybe something like in Sweden or some German states.
*Reprioritising police unions - with a focus on defending their cops in court and other union benefits - end whatever political clout they have.
*No off duty or on duty political displays - cops need to remain impartial (at least, publicly).
*Section Housing - cheap, subsidised housing in the community for cops, so they can get to know them.

Done.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Like it's OK to throw milkshakes at people.

The gist that I'm getting is that US people are so tolerant of petty crime that it never gets reported to police (except by people like Andy Ngo who have to exaggerate it to be taken seriously), and a better approach by law enforcement might be to build beautiful luxurious prisons for the small section of the population who are fully law-abiding. Let the serious criminals have the streets!

It isnt.

No, all the US needs is cop reform and removing private prisons.

There are 800,000 cops under all sorts of different command. Including elected sheriffs, those will probably prove the hardest to reform. But I sincerely wish you luck with it.

Oh and fuck private prisons. Dreadful idea.

[Dominioan]

It isnt.

No, all the US needs is cop reform and removing private prisons.

*National oversight board - not the current system which has a patchwork of civilian review boards and such.
*60 police forces, not 17,500.
*No MRAPs, camouflaged clothing or shit like that - sure, fully automatic weapons are great though - no one wants another North Hollywood shootout.
*Better combatives training.
*An overhaul in training nationally - maybe something like in Sweden or some German states.
*Reprioritising police unions - with a focus on defending their cops in court and other union benefits - end whatever political clout they have.
*No off duty or on duty political displays - cops need to remain impartial (at least, publicly).
*Section Housing - cheap, subsidised housing in the community for cops, so they can get to know them.

Done.

*like Sweden
Sure lets do it!

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

*National oversight board - not the current system which has a patchwork of civilian review boards and such.
*60 police forces, not 17,500.
*No MRAPs, camouflaged clothing or shit like that - sure, fully automatic weapons are great though - no one wants another North Hollywood shootout.
*Better combatives training.
*An overhaul in training nationally - maybe something like in Sweden or some German states.
*Reprioritising police unions - with a focus on defending their cops in court and other union benefits - end whatever political clout they have.
*No off duty or on duty political displays - cops need to remain impartial (at least, publicly).
*Section Housing - cheap, subsidised housing in the community for cops, so they can get to know them.

Done.

*like Sweden
Sure lets do it!

Uh maybe not like Sweden.

[Ifreann]

If someone throws a caustic substance at you, it's normally pretty obvious pretty quickly.

Within a minute or so yeah, unless it gets in your eyes. Then you'd know right away.

That's why I say the right approach would be to arrest the liquid thrower right away. Don't shoot rubber bullets at them, that's certain to make them retreat into the crowd. The cop nearest (who got the most liquid on them) should have grabbed that person by their clothes and pulled.

There's a barrier of bicycles which I guess is supposed to keep the crowd back. A mistake in my opinion, since they also keep the cops back and make affecting any arrests difficult.

Hurting people (or injuring them) with rubber bullets would only be justified in self defense or defense of others. I do after all agree that the risk of the liquid being something more toxic than water was low, it doesn't justify the violent act of "defense". But that low level of risk IS enough for probable cause to arrest. The person MAY be in the act of committing a crime, and that would be discovered after arresting them.

Cops arresting someone may be committing a crime.

[The New California Republic]

Relevant in the current circumstances:

One of the men accused of murdering unarmed black man Ahmaud Arbery in the US state of Georgia used a racial slur after shooting him, a court has heard.

A Georgia Bureau of Investigation agent said Travis McMichael used the slur while Mr Arbery was on the ground.

The agent said co-defendant William Bryan heard him use the slur.

Mr Arbery was jogging when he was chased down by Travis McMichael and his father Gregory in Brunswick on 23 February.

The McMichaels and William Bryan are facing murder charges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52927018