America riots after Police kill unarmed Black Man

[Senkaku]

Unfortunately, there are many racists in the US, not just police. And not all police are racist either. There is no reason to punish all the police because one officer did something horrible.

It is not just one officer though. While not all police are racist and quite a lot of them are good people and good cops the system is fucking flawed beyond belief and allows this kind of shit to happen. This is not about attacking individuals officers, it is about attacking a corrupt and flawed system.

^evil prevails when good people do nothing

you cannot call a cop who sits idly by while their colleagues do bad and evil things a "good cop", they are complicit

[South Odreria 2]

Saw one in Oakland in 2014. As I said, minni is a more racially harmonious than a place like Milwaukee.

Uhh... Wisconsin is racist as fuck. Appleton is basically the Heart of Darkness. Milwaukee's not that far off.

That's what he said.

[Bienenhalde]

Unfortunately, there are many racists in the US, not just police. And not all police are racist either. There is no reason to punish all the police because one officer did something horrible.

when an organization does something evil you deliver consequences to the entire body, not just one individual so the organization can just go back to engaging in fuckery as soon as you turn your back again

What evidence is there that this incident is the fault of the whole organization instead of a few individuals? And even if the organization was at fault, causing reckless damage to perfectly good police vehicles at taxpayer expense doesn't seem like the smartest solution.

[Neanderthaland]

The peaceful protests had overwhelming public support here. Despite coronavirus concerns. Nobody was willing to even hint that they shouldn't go outside and stand up for justice.

The violence has lost a lot of that support. Looting and vandalizing store owners, who weren't have a great time of it anyway, doesn't scream "justice" it screams "I'm looking for an excuse to break and steal stuff."

who started the violence sir!! who! I'll give u a hint: might have been the guys with the tear gas grenade launchers!

They didn't. Actually. The responded with tear gas only after protesters attacked a police precinct. This was after the main protest had disbanded for the night.

and if you expect me to have sympathy for poor little Target having such a hard time and now getting burned... I mean come on lmao

Target's not the only business on Lake Street. There's a lot of small shops there.

[Senkaku]

when an organization does something evil you deliver consequences to the entire body, not just one individual so the organization can just go back to engaging in fuckery as soon as you turn your back again

What evidence is there that this incident is the fault of the whole organization instead of a few individuals?

did you watch the video and see the other guys just standing around lmfao

And even if the organization was at fault, causing reckless damage to perfectly good police vehicles at taxpayer expense doesn't seem like the smartest solution.

but it does seem like the most satisfying, and I cannot complain if after taking a tear gas grenade to the chest while trying to peacefully protest, somebody decides it's time to torch a cruiser and send a stronger message

[Neanderthaland]

Uhh... Wisconsin is racist as fuck. Appleton is basically the Heart of Darkness. Milwaukee's not that far off.

That's what he said.

Ah. I read it wrong.

[South Odreria 2]

when an organization does something evil you deliver consequences to the entire body, not just one individual so the organization can just go back to engaging in fuckery as soon as you turn your back again

What evidence is there that this incident is the fault of the whole organization instead of a few individuals? And even if the organization was at fault, causing reckless damage to perfectly good police vehicles at taxpayer expense doesn't seem like the smartest solution.

Because they have been killing people for years and getting away with it every time. Attacking police cars is the smartest solution actually, maybe they'll think twice before murdering people next time.

[Senkaku]

unrelated tangent before I bail bc I can only handle talking abt this in short bursts- I wonder how much of the American fetishization of police and our tendency to give them a huge amount of impunity and to forgive astonishing abuses of power and public trust is thanks to our constant media diet of police procedurals and dramas or comedies on network television

[Bienenhalde]

I don't support burning stores and construction sites down, but I think the conditions in Minnesota are such that the rioting in general may bring about positive change.

Well, it is a good idea to make the best out of a bad situation, but the rioters still need to be stopped and held accountable.

[Diopolis]

unrelated tangent before I bail bc I can only handle talking abt this in short bursts- I wonder how much of the American fetishization of police and our tendency to give them a huge amount of impunity and to forgive astonishing abuses of power and public trust is thanks to our constant media diet of police procedurals and dramas or comedies on network television

I mean, a bunch of other countries are even worse.

[Fartsniffage]

unrelated tangent before I bail bc I can only handle talking abt this in short bursts- I wonder how much of the American fetishization of police and our tendency to give them a huge amount of impunity and to forgive astonishing abuses of power and public trust is thanks to our constant media diet of police procedurals and dramas or comedies on network television

I mean, a bunch of other countries are even worse.

Developed countries?

[Liriena]

The upper class, owners of property, feel scared knowing that that could have been their products being looted or burned basically.

This is kinda useless because it’s hurting small business owners far more, not upper class people

True, but then again not a lot of spontaneous outrage-fueled protests have the organizational capacity to specifically direct their violence at the most responsible institutions, since most such institutions are far away from the epicenter of the inciting incident. A community that's hurting and lashing out is not in the best position to organize itself and storm the city hall or the headquarters of the state police. That sort of laser-guided precision in protests is usually reserved for movements with a lot more institutional backing and structure (or just outright astroturfing). A militia funded by right-wing think tanks and the like is in a far better position to specifically go after the politicians and institutions they are angry at than a mass of regular working people who don't have the resources or direction of a legitimate political organization.

If people didn't want these sorts of riots, with the indiscriminate looting and burning of businesses, maybe they should think about the fact that the American state went out of its way to undermine and murder its way through the most effectively organized black activism of the past decades. You can't beat the political organization out of an entire community and then complain that the same community is not responding to injustice in the form of "civil" well-organized protests.

[Bienenhalde]

What evidence is there that this incident is the fault of the whole organization instead of a few individuals? And even if the organization was at fault, causing reckless damage to perfectly good police vehicles at taxpayer expense doesn't seem like the smartest solution.

Because they have been killing people for years and getting away with it every time. Attacking police cars is the smartest solution actually, they'll think twice before murdering people next time.

Police officers who commit murder or manslaughter should be prosecuted in a court of law. Destroying taxpayer financed government property is just doing more harm than good.

[Gormwood]

IM is as pro-authority and pro-police as anybody can be. Are you confused?

He was initially calling IM a CCP shill. He just communicated it... poorly.

When someone is so defensive the most blatant NSG reference within the rules zips past like Tom Cruise in an F-14.

[South Odreria 2]

Because they have been killing people for years and getting away with it every time. Attacking police cars is the smartest solution actually, they'll think twice before murdering people next time.

Police officers who commit murder or manslaughter should be prosecuted in a court of law. Destroying taxpayer financed government property is just doing more harm than good.

Nah

[Senkaku]

with the indiscriminate looting and burning of businesses

it's not that indiscriminate lol the locally owned bookstore next to the precinct is fine

[Liriena]

Because they have been killing people for years and getting away with it every time. Attacking police cars is the smartest solution actually, they'll think twice before murdering people next time.

Police officers who commit murder or manslaughter should be prosecuted in a court of law. Destroying taxpayer financed government property is just doing more harm than good.

If the property is used to do evil, it's better off destroyed. Doesn't matter who paid for it.

If my government owned and funded a torture chamber, I'd be cheerful as fuck if some rando burned it down.

[Liriena]

with the indiscriminate looting and burning of businesses

it's not that indiscriminate lol the locally owned bookstore next to the precinct is fine

[happy bibliophile noises]

[Neanderthaland]

Police officers who commit murder or manslaughter should be prosecuted in a court of law. Destroying taxpayer financed government property is just doing more harm than good.

Nah

"Nah you want to destroy stuff you paid for," or "Nah you don't want them to be prosecuted?"

[Senkaku]

unrelated tangent before I bail bc I can only handle talking abt this in short bursts- I wonder how much of the American fetishization of police and our tendency to give them a huge amount of impunity and to forgive astonishing abuses of power and public trust is thanks to our constant media diet of police procedurals and dramas or comedies on network television

I mean, a bunch of other countries are even worse.

well I guess that's that, pack it in folks we aren't the literal worst in the world for abusive police! lmao

[Liriena]

unrelated tangent before I bail bc I can only handle talking abt this in short bursts- I wonder how much of the American fetishization of police and our tendency to give them a huge amount of impunity and to forgive astonishing abuses of power and public trust is thanks to our constant media diet of police procedurals and dramas or comedies on network television

As an alleged communication scientist, I wouldn't say that the media portrayals of the police cause it, but they certainly don't help. At the very least they are complicit in manufacturing consent to a lot of forms of impune authoritarianism.

[Neanderthaland]

Police officers who commit murder or manslaughter should be prosecuted in a court of law. Destroying taxpayer financed government property is just doing more harm than good.

If the property is used to do evil, it's better off destroyed. Doesn't matter who paid for it.

If my government owned and funded a torture chamber, I'd be cheerful as fuck if some rando burned it down.

Alright, but... they're just going to buy more cars. And the money is going to come out of schools, or bridge maintenance, or something.

[Kanadorika]

I mean, a bunch of other countries are even worse.

Developed countries?

Bit unfair to compare the US to developed countries, yes?

[Senkaku]

If the property is used to do evil, it's better off destroyed. Doesn't matter who paid for it.

If my government owned and funded a torture chamber, I'd be cheerful as fuck if some rando burned it down.

Alright, but... they're just going to buy more cars. And the money is going to come out of schools, or bridge maintenance, or something.

not if the city govt grows a spine and refuses to give them the money

[Bienenhalde]

Police officers who commit murder or manslaughter should be prosecuted in a court of law. Destroying taxpayer financed government property is just doing more harm than good.

If the property is used to do evil, it's better off destroyed. Doesn't matter who paid for it.

The property could and ideally should be used for good purposes. Destroying it is a waste of money and resources.