America riots after Police kill unarmed Black Man

[Valrifell]

This is true. In a lot of places, Sheriffs and politicians who claim to go "tough on crime" are the ones who get voted in a lot of parts of the country.

And the government appointees don't go "tough on crime"?

It's just very likely that your scheme would be more of a lateral shift in the end, in a lot of places.

[West Leas Oros 2]

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a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

So police should be in the pocket of the government because people are too stupid or violent to choose their own law enforcement. Cool.

Fuck. Just put me in charge of America. I’m sure everyone can find something they like about my policies.

I don't even know what your policies would entail.

[Skeckoa]

Bad training, lack of alternative reactions, militarization of police departments, escalated threat level in society, fear of civilians mixed with lack of community outreach, racist culture of machismo among the police... It's a complicated picture.

The NYPD, LAPD, Chicago PD and Houston PD are all pretty racially representative - soit might not be racism there causing the responses, and if so, what makes these areas so heavy-handed with their policing?

POC's can still be caught in racist systems. Take a policy such as an arrest quota. An arrest quota is not explicitly racist, but can still lead to racist results, poorer people (ie more black Americans and latino Americans) getting arrested more often for more and more frivolous crimes.

Even if there are good cops, it's still a bad system

[Liriena]

Now this is social distancing!

All of these pandemics and riots? They're about family, and what's what makes them special.

[Rich Evans laugh]

[Cannot think of a name]

....what kind of movie were you watching?

It was probably a little troll that somehow got his hands on a canister and released it inside.

Circle gets the square. Sorry, I know the conversation moved on but that's the answer. A "prankster" got a can and released it in a theater that I worked at. Then I'm guessing the one who did it walked by me and said "There's a problem with Edward Scissorhands" and instead of saying "I know, right? As long as we continue to celebrate style over substance in this director it's only a matter of time that he just starts doing garish adaptations completely devoid of any narrative value and instead just hopes that elaborate set design and Johnny Depp being weird is enough" I went into the theater and got a face full of tear gas and had to help everyone get out while it burned.

[San Lumen]

And what if they decide to ignore it anyway?

Then the police force becomes illegitimate for ignoring the law, the very thing they should be upholding, and thus should be forced to comply, either by the government or by community protests.

We have district attorneys and state attorney generals for a reason and guess what they are elected. Are you aware of what they do?

Yes. They change nothing.

If a sheriff isn’t doing enough they can lose their job. No sheriff is going ignore the people after this

Considering what's going on right now and the buildup to it, I have no trust in the police to clean themselves out.

You could in theory elect health commissioners and other appointed positions but certain things ought to not be partisan. Electing coroners has led to a lot of serious controversies. John Oliver did a whole segment on it.

I'm not advocating for coroners to be elected, unless coroners make policy decisions, in which case if it's so problematic they can be one of the few exceptions.

As for the health commissioners, I'm of the opinion that every person in a government who has the power to enact rules and regulations should be elected. If they can set down legally-binding rules that their community has to follow, their community should have the right to choose that person.

and what if they decide not to listen to community protests? That is what we have attorney generals and district attorneys for.

And how do you know that the attorney generals and district attorneys do nothing? You have evidence of this claim

In other words cabinets and heads of agencies should not be appointed but instead elected? I rather not inject politics into things like public health or the fire department. What's to do stop anyone from being elected health commissioner or sheriff? Being sheriff requires a law enforcement background in most cases. there might be exceptions

Should health commissioner require a medical degree, agriculture head a background in farming?

I am not sure if coroners make policy positions. about 1600 counties still elect the positions and in many cases no medical background is required.

Here are two articles on electing coroners: https://archive.thinkprogress.org/elect ... d4c6e3281/

https://www.npr.org/2013/11/03/24241670 ... -necessary

[West Leas Oros 2]

And the government appointees don't go "tough on crime"?

It's just very likely that your scheme would be more of a lateral shift in the end, in a lot of places.

I don't think using brutality against the people that elected you to police them is a good idea from a practical standpoint. Those same people would probably vote you out if you did. Nothing says vote me off the force like "I beat up your neighbor".

[Greed and Death]

Bad training, lack of alternative reactions, militarization of police departments, escalated threat level in society, fear of civilians mixed with lack of community outreach, racist culture of machismo among the police... It's a complicated picture.

Man Greed & Death could of took this route and did this. Chalking it up to bad training. But he decided to go full its "justified bro".

I know you are still learning English but its considered rude among English speakers to talk about them rather than to them.

[Gravlen]

What standards are there in the US for police training? Is it based on state standards or does each jurisdiction have their own?

Because it appears that an incredible number of police officers in the states went to the shoot first ask questions later school of conflict resolution.

Bad training, lack of alternative reactions, militarization of police departments, escalated threat level in society, fear of civilians mixed with lack of community outreach, racist culture of machismo among the police... It's a complicated picture.

Also, a culture of immunity and impunity, failure of oversight, and an adversarial criminal justice system which sees all suspects as enemies and all rights as obstacles / technicalities are important factors as well. (Which also leads to a healthy disregard for the health or wellbeing for anyone under their charge.)

[The New California Republic]

It was probably a little troll that somehow got his hands on a canister and released it inside.

Circle gets the square. Sorry, I know the conversation moved on but that's the answer. A "prankster" got a can and released it in a theater that I worked at. Then I'm guessing the one who did it walked by me and said "There's a problem with Edward Scissorhands" and instead of saying "I know, right? As long as we continue to celebrate style over substance in this director it's only a matter of time that he just starts doing garish adaptations completely devoid of any narrative value and instead just hopes that elaborate set design and Johnny Depp being weird is enough" I went into the theater and got a face full of tear gas and had to help everyone get out while it burned.

I think I have heard you mention this story before, a long time ago, as you talking about getting tear gassed seemed to trigger a memory somewhere, so that's likely how I knew.

[Uiiop]

So i hear the DC is big enough to interfere with police setting things up and getting buses.
Can anyone confirm that?

[Andsed]

Then the police force becomes illegitimate for ignoring the law, the very thing they should be upholding, and thus should be forced to comply, either by the government or by community protests.



Yes. They change nothing.



Considering what's going on right now and the buildup to it, I have no trust in the police to clean themselves out.



I'm not advocating for coroners to be elected, unless coroners make policy decisions, in which case if it's so problematic they can be one of the few exceptions.

As for the health commissioners, I'm of the opinion that every person in a government who has the power to enact rules and regulations should be elected. If they can set down legally-binding rules that their community has to follow, their community should have the right to choose that person.

and what if they decide not to listen to community protests? That is what we have attorney generals and district attorneys for.

And how do you know that the attorney generals and district attorneys do nothing? You have evidence of this claim

In other words cabinets and heads of agencies should not be appointed but instead elected? I rather not inject politics into things like public health or the fire department. What's to do stop anyone from being elected health commissioner or sheriff? Being sheriff requires a law enforcement background in most cases. there might be exceptions

Should health commissioner require a medical degree, agriculture head a background in farming?

I am not sure if coroners make policy positions. about 1600 counties still elect the positions and in many cases no medical background is required.

Here are two articles on electing coroners: https://archive.thinkprogress.org/elect ... d4c6e3281/

https://www.npr.org/2013/11/03/24241670 ... -necessary

If the vote to remove the officer passes and the police don´t obey it then it can brought to a higher court. Honestly I just don´t get why your so opposed to just allowing people to have the power to get problematic officers removed.

[Cannot think of a name]

Circle gets the square. Sorry, I know the conversation moved on but that's the answer. A "prankster" got a can and released it in a theater that I worked at. Then I'm guessing the one who did it walked by me and said "There's a problem with Edward Scissorhands" and instead of saying "I know, right? As long as we continue to celebrate style over substance in this director it's only a matter of time that he just starts doing garish adaptations completely devoid of any narrative value and instead just hopes that elaborate set design and Johnny Depp being weird is enough" I went into the theater and got a face full of tear gas and had to help everyone get out while it burned.

I think I have heard you mention this story before, a long time ago, as you talking about getting tear gassed seemed to trigger a memory somewhere, so that's likely how I knew.

That's an impressive memory, and I'm certain I've told that story before because the internet is full of tough guys who are pretty sure they could take a little tear gassing.

But also it's the most likely scenario, I would think.

[Gravlen]

The NYPD, LAPD, Chicago PD and Houston PD are all pretty racially representative - soit might not be racism there causing the responses, and if so, what makes these areas so heavy-handed with their policing?

POC's can still be caught in racist systems. Take a policy such as an arrest quota. An arrest quota is not explicitly racist, but can still lead to racist results, poorer people (ie more black Americans and latino Americans) getting arrested more often for more and more frivolous crimes.

Even if there are good cops, it's still a bad system

This is true.

And since NYPD was mentioned: the diversity in the department didn’t make the “Stop and frisk” policy any less racists, nor did it significantly reduce the disproportionate targeting of POC.

[US-SSR]

A great parody of every single corporation during times like this

tl;dr: blah blah blah buy our shit

[The New California Republic]

That's an impressive memory, and I'm certain I've told that story before because the internet is full of tough guys who are pretty sure they could take a little tear gassing.

But also it's the most likely scenario, I would think.

Yes, as the only alternative explanation would be that the cops went totally batshit and started launching tear gas into a movie theater.

[San Lumen]

and what if they decide not to listen to community protests? That is what we have attorney generals and district attorneys for.

And how do you know that the attorney generals and district attorneys do nothing? You have evidence of this claim

In other words cabinets and heads of agencies should not be appointed but instead elected? I rather not inject politics into things like public health or the fire department. What's to do stop anyone from being elected health commissioner or sheriff? Being sheriff requires a law enforcement background in most cases. there might be exceptions

Should health commissioner require a medical degree, agriculture head a background in farming?

I am not sure if coroners make policy positions. about 1600 counties still elect the positions and in many cases no medical background is required.

Here are two articles on electing coroners: https://archive.thinkprogress.org/elect ... d4c6e3281/

https://www.npr.org/2013/11/03/24241670 ... -necessary

If the vote to remove the officer passes and the police don´t obey it then it can brought to a higher court. Honestly I just don´t get why your so opposed to just allowing people to have the power to get problematic officers removed.

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My scenario was if you keep getting a majority vote but the required majority that was proposed

Why shouldn't any appointed or emergency service worker go before a vote if they commit wrongdoing?

What's the point of a justice system under such a proposal? why have district attorney's or attorney generals?

[US-SSR]

Circle gets the square. Sorry, I know the conversation moved on but that's the answer. A "prankster" got a can and released it in a theater that I worked at. Then I'm guessing the one who did it walked by me and said "There's a problem with Edward Scissorhands" and instead of saying "I know, right? As long as we continue to celebrate style over substance in this director it's only a matter of time that he just starts doing garish adaptations completely devoid of any narrative value and instead just hopes that elaborate set design and Johnny Depp being weird is enough" I went into the theater and got a face full of tear gas and had to help everyone get out while it burned.

I think I have heard you mention this story before, a long time ago, as you talking about getting tear gassed seemed to trigger a memory somewhere, so that's likely how I knew.

Si non e vero e ben trovato

[Andsed]

If the vote to remove the officer passes and the police don´t obey it then it can brought to a higher court. Honestly I just don´t get why your so opposed to just allowing people to have the power to get problematic officers removed.

'
My scenario was if you keep getting a majority vote but the required majority that was proposed

Why shouldn't any appointed or emergency service worker go before a vote if they commit wrongdoing?

What's the point of a justice system under such a proposal? why have district attorney's or attorney generals?

Then just make it so the vote would just need a majority to pass and the only thing that would need a certain percentage would be the petition.

Other emergency services are not relevant here. They don´t need these regulations as they don´t have the power police do.

The same role as before just now if it fails to act(like it has done time and time again) the people can force it to. The police and the government cannot be trusted to regulate the police, the people need the ability to hold them accountable to them.

[San Lumen]

'
My scenario was if you keep getting a majority vote but the required majority that was proposed

Why shouldn't any appointed or emergency service worker go before a vote if they commit wrongdoing?

What's the point of a justice system under such a proposal? why have district attorney's or attorney generals?

Then just make it so the vote would just need a majority to pass and the only thing that would need a certain percentage would be the petition.

Other emergency services are not relevant here. They don´t need these regulations as they don´t have the power police do.

The same role as before just now if it fails to act(like it has done time and time again) the people can force it to. The police and the government cannot be trusted to regulate the police, the people need the ability to hold them accountable to them.

Do you not see how such a system could be abused?

The police and government are accountable when the sheriff, DA and AG is elected. Perhaps chief of police in municipalities should be elected too?

[Slavakino]

I'm seeing less riots so far. Either that or I'm blind

[United States of Devonta]

Man Greed & Death could of took this route and did this. Chalking it up to bad training. But he decided to go full its "justified bro".

I know you are still learning English but its considered rude among English speakers to talk about them rather than to them.

Nothing to do with the English language. I could do that in Spanish too.

Tissue though?

[Satuga]

I'm seeing less riots so far. Either that or I'm blind

There's an 6-8pm curfew in effect so that is probably why.

[Andsed]

Then just make it so the vote would just need a majority to pass and the only thing that would need a certain percentage would be the petition.

Other emergency services are not relevant here. They don´t need these regulations as they don´t have the power police do.

The same role as before just now if it fails to act(like it has done time and time again) the people can force it to. The police and the government cannot be trusted to regulate the police, the people need the ability to hold them accountable to them.

Do you not see how such a system could be abused?

The police and government are accountable when the sheriff, DA and AG is elected. Perhaps chief of police in municipalities should be elected too?

Yes there could be some abuses. But honestly compared to what we have now it would be a vast improvement.

No they are not. Stop bullshitting yourself.

[Satuga]

I know you are still learning English but its considered rude among English speakers to talk about them rather than to them.

Nothing to do with the English language. I could do that in Spanish too.

Tissue though?

Dude you know you're feeding into G&D's shtick right?