America riots after Police kill unarmed Black Man

[Australian rePublic]

It's a bad because it'd be extremely costly and impractical. Plus, you'd get every notjob Karen complaining the most menial bullshit, whilst most other people wouldn't give a crap.

Not really? It would literally just be citizens going around getting signatures and then a vote and then a firing if it passes. And yes some will complain about dumb things. That is why they would need to get a large portion of the community to back them. To make sure dumb complaints don´t result in a firing.

No. The vast majority of people who would actually participate are the ones who would complain about idiotic things. Most other people wouldn't care. Plus, it'd be costly AF

[Estanglia]

What problems would it cause?

This is a genuine question. The two main problems I can think of would exist anyway (the police ignoring the will of the community if the officer's unpopular but not unpopular enough, and the community hating that officer in particular and singling them out to mistreat).



Clearly not enough, considering the police officer who kicked this shit off had a long record of bad things.



Agreed on them both.



It doesn't. At the absolute best, it makes the department indirectly accountable. The community can't force the department to be accountable, they have to hope that the sheriff does. If no sheriff is willing to do so, they'll never get accountability.

If the people can vote out an officer, they don't have to care about if the sheriff wants the officer gone. The community only needs itself to make the officer accountable, and I see no good reason why this shouldn't be the case.



If they make policy decisions, and unless their circumstances make it impossible or pointless to elect them, yes.

If they don't, no.

If they're in a position of inherent power over everyone else, there should be a community-based mechanism for their removal.

And what if they decide to ignore it anyway?

Then the police force becomes illegitimate for ignoring the law, the very thing they should be upholding, and thus should be forced to comply, either by the government or by community protests.

We have district attorneys and state attorney generals for a reason and guess what they are elected. Are you aware of what they do?

Yes. They change nothing.

If a sheriff isn’t doing enough they can lose their job. No sheriff is going ignore the people after this

Considering what's going on right now and the buildup to it, I have no trust in the police to clean themselves out.

You could in theory elect health commissioners and other appointed positions but certain things ought to not be partisan. Electing coroners has led to a lot of serious controversies. John Oliver did a whole segment on it.

I'm not advocating for coroners to be elected, unless coroners make policy decisions, in which case if it's so problematic they can be one of the few exceptions.

As for the health commissioners, I'm of the opinion that every person in a government who has the power to enact rules and regulations should be elected. If they can set down legally-binding rules that their community has to follow, their community should have the right to choose that person.

[Aureumterra]

Stop, just don’t

Maybe if you don't want people calling you out for thinking that assaulting the free press is funny, you shouldn't respond with a laughing smilie to a post about the free press being assaulted.

Just a thought.

You do realize the laugh was referring to him comparing Trump to Assad and Maduro, right? Police arresting a journalist has nothing to do with Trump himself, unless you’re telling me Trump personally made a phone call to the police officer ordering him to arrest the journalist.

[United States of Devonta]

Says the one who called the other a "ass". Grade A facts and logic right there. Cringe.

He exposed his whole body and hands. Yes they did. They made the wrong decision and could of killed a man. They were in the wrong. I will repeat this again. You will understand. I promise.

If English isn't your first language I apologize that not a direct assault it is a play on popular phrase. I do often forget we have people who are still learning English and are not familiar with such things here.

Tissue? I'm sorry, I thought you would be happier winning all those gold medals.

[The New California Republic]

Kids these days... When I was your age, we did blood magic instead of being on our phones all day.

Back in my day we had no fancy phones. We had a PS2 and a crappy Windows XP Desktop

Back in my day we had Commodores and typewriters.

[Gravlen]

Unarmed protester calmly walks towards police and his hit by mace, before beign shot at point-blank range by a tear gas canister.

This really could have killed or permanently disabled or blinded this man. Terrible. And it was clearly not an accident. These officers in this video are sadistic fucks.

What standards are there in the US for police training? Is it based on state standards or does each jurisdiction have their own?

Because it appears that an incredible number of police officers in the states went to the shoot first ask questions later school of conflict resolution.

Bad training, lack of alternative reactions, militarization of police departments, escalated threat level in society, fear of civilians mixed with lack of community outreach, racist culture of machismo among the police... It's a complicated picture.

[Andsed]

Not really? It would literally just be citizens going around getting signatures and then a vote and then a firing if it passes. And yes some will complain about dumb things. That is why they would need to get a large portion of the community to back them. To make sure dumb complaints don´t result in a firing.

No. The vast majority of people who would actually participate are the ones who would complain about idiotic things. Most other people wouldn't care. Plus, it'd be costly AF

Both points are utter nonsense. If someone wanted the vote to remove an officer to happen they would need a large portion of the community to back them. Thus they would have to approach many many people. And as for cost? Yeah a vote cost money but not that much and a vote would only happen if a large portion of the community backed the complaint. Do you get what I am suggesting? It is not just anyone can complain and get someone fired. It is if a large portion of the community complains they can vote on removing an officer.

[New haven america]

Maybe if you don't want people calling you out for thinking that assaulting the free press is funny, you shouldn't respond with a laughing smilie to a post about the free press being assaulted.

Just a thought.

You do realize the laugh was referring to him comparing Trump to Assad and Maduro, right? Police arresting a journalist has nothing to do with Trump himself, unless you’re telling me Trump personally made a phone call to the police officer ordering him to arrest the journalist.

So just because he doesn't behave exactly like his contemporary right-wing populists and dictators, you can't compare him at all?

That's not how that works.

[United States of Devonta]

What standards are there in the US for police training? Is it based on state standards or does each jurisdiction have their own?

Because it appears that an incredible number of police officers in the states went to the shoot first ask questions later school of conflict resolution.

Bad training, lack of alternative reactions, militarization of police departments, escalated threat level in society, fear of civilians mixed with lack of community outreach, racist culture of machismo among the police... It's a complicated picture.

Man Greed & Death could of took this route and did this. Chalking it up to bad training. But he decided to go full its "justified bro".

[Valrifell]

No. The vast majority of people who would actually participate are the ones who would complain about idiotic things. Most other people wouldn't care. Plus, it'd be costly AF

Both points are utter nonsense. If someone wanted the vote to remove an officer to happen they would need a large portion of the community to back them. Thus they would have to approach many many people. And as for cost? Yeah a vote cost money but not that much and a vote would only happen if a large portion of the community backed the complaint. Do you get what I am suggesting? It is not just anyone can complain and get someone fired. It is if a large portion of the community complains they can vote on removing an officer.

The cost of a petition that requires a huge number of complainants is going to be projected to be a problem, perhaps that means the police departments are shit.

[Aureumterra]

You do realize the laugh was referring to him comparing Trump to Assad and Maduro, right? Police arresting a journalist has nothing to do with Trump himself, unless you’re telling me Trump personally made a phone call to the police officer ordering him to arrest the journalist.

So just because he doesn't behave exactly like his contemporary right-wing populists and dictators, you can't compare him at all?

That's not how that works.

The post was saying because a journalist got arrested, Trump had "become like Assad and Maduro"

[New haven america]

So just because he doesn't behave exactly like his contemporary right-wing populists and dictators, you can't compare him at all?

That's not how that works.

The post was saying because a journalist got arrested, Trump had "become like Assad and Maduro"

Well actually Maduro became Trump because Trump's actions inspired Maduro.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Back in my day we had no fancy phones. We had a PS2 and a crappy Windows XP Desktop

Fuck, now I feel old.

How about no? How about electing sheriffs and police chiefs

If you want your police force to behave professionally, make them professional. That's not compatible with making them, at any level, elected. Elected officials are innately encouraged to engage in populist bullshit.

You can't just use "populism" as an excuse to keep cops from being held accountable to their communities. Besides, populism isn't some inherent evil like the neoliberals say it is.

[Estanglia]

No. The vast majority of people who would actually participate are the ones who would complain about idiotic things. Most other people wouldn't care. Plus, it'd be costly AF

Both points are utter nonsense. If someone wanted the vote to remove an officer to happen they would need a large portion of the community to back them. Thus they would have to approach many many people. And as for cost? Yeah a vote cost money but not that much and a vote would only happen if a large portion of the community backed the complaint. Do you get what I am suggesting? It is not just anyone can complain and get someone fired. It is if a large portion of the community complains they can vote on removing an officer.

There's a variety of ways I can think of for a vote to be triggered.

It could be done by the local mayor/politician governing that area, maybe there needs to be x amount of complaints against an officer for a vote to be scheduled, or a petition needs x% of the local people to sign it, or an independent community-led oversight committee calls one when they have a track record of bad-but-not-legally-punishable behaviour.

[Gormwood]

So just because he doesn't behave exactly like his contemporary right-wing populists and dictators, you can't compare him at all?

That's not how that works.

The post was saying because a journalist got arrested, Trump had "become like Assad and Maduro"

Shooting and gassing protestors to clear a church for a photo op isn't what Maduro would do?

[New haven america]

Fuck, now I feel old.



If you want your police force to behave professionally, make them professional. That's not compatible with making them, at any level, elected. Elected officials are innately encouraged to engage in populist bullshit.

You can't just use "populism" as an excuse to keep cops from being held accountable to their communities. Besides, populism isn't some inherent evil like the neoliberals say it is.

Well, you have yet to provide evidence to how it's not.

[United States of Devonta]

The post was saying because a journalist got arrested, Trump had "become like Assad and Maduro"

Shooting and gassing protestors to clear a church for a photo op isn't what Maduro would do?

He would in a heartbeat.

[Salandriagado]

Fuck, now I feel old.



If you want your police force to behave professionally, make them professional. That's not compatible with making them, at any level, elected. Elected officials are innately encouraged to engage in populist bullshit.

You can't just use "populism" as an excuse to keep cops from being held accountable to their communities. Besides, populism isn't some inherent evil like the neoliberals say it is.

In the context of policing, "populism" means "brutality". Accountability is far more effective when it comes from a level with actual teeth.

[Major-Tom]

You can't just use "populism" as an excuse to keep cops from being held accountable to their communities. Besides, populism isn't some inherent evil like the neoliberals say it is.

Well, you have yet to provide evidence to how it's not.

Populism is broad and loosely defined, that's really why. Bernie is a populist, both Roosevelts were arguably populists, Warren is a populist, Nader is/was a populist, Bill Clinton ran as a populist in 1992 etc etc.

Anyone who runs a campaign message where the crux of their focus is on "the people" and the "supporters," whether sincere of insincere, runs a populist campaign, thus constituting a populist political profile. It's not black and white in terms of "good vs evil," there have been people who have used populism as a means to encourage fear and exploit hate, there have been people who have used populism as a means to lift up the working class and run a humanistic campaign.

[SangMar]

What standards are there in the US for police training? Is it based on state standards or does each jurisdiction have their own?

Because it appears that an incredible number of police officers in the states went to the shoot first ask questions later school of conflict resolution.

Bad training, lack of alternative reactions, militarization of police departments, escalated threat level in society, fear of civilians mixed with lack of community outreach, racist culture of machismo among the police... It's a complicated picture.

The NYPD, LAPD, Chicago PD and Houston PD are all pretty racially representative - soit might not be racism there causing the responses, and if so, what makes these areas so heavy-handed with their policing?

[Valrifell]

You can't just use "populism" as an excuse to keep cops from being held accountable to their communities. Besides, populism isn't some inherent evil like the neoliberals say it is.

In the context of policing, "populism" means "brutality". Accountability is far more effective when it comes from a level with actual teeth.

This is true. In a lot of places, Sheriffs and politicians who claim to go "tough on crime" are the ones who get voted in a lot of parts of the country.

[West Leas Oros 2]

You can't just use "populism" as an excuse to keep cops from being held accountable to their communities. Besides, populism isn't some inherent evil like the neoliberals say it is.

In the context of policing, "populism" means "brutality". Accountability is far more effective when it comes from a level with actual teeth.

pop·u·lism
/ˈpäpyəˌlizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

So police should be in the pocket of the government because people are too stupid or violent to choose their own law enforcement. Cool.

[West Leas Oros 2]

You can't just use "populism" as an excuse to keep cops from being held accountable to their communities. Besides, populism isn't some inherent evil like the neoliberals say it is.

Well, you have yet to provide evidence to how it's not.

I literally defined what populism is.

[West Leas Oros 2]

In the context of policing, "populism" means "brutality". Accountability is far more effective when it comes from a level with actual teeth.

This is true. In a lot of places, Sheriffs and politicians who claim to go "tough on crime" are the ones who get voted in a lot of parts of the country.

And the government appointees don't go "tough on crime"?

[SangMar]

In the context of policing, "populism" means "brutality". Accountability is far more effective when it comes from a level with actual teeth.

pop·u·lism
/ˈpäpyəˌlizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

So police should be in the pocket of the government because people are too stupid or violent to choose their own law enforcement. Cool.

Fuck. Just put me in charge of America. I’m sure everyone can find something they like about my policies.