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Postby Satuga » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:00 pm

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Liriena wrote:Car keys? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Paper clips? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Ballpoint pen? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Baseball cap? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.

Knocking on some guy's door? He could have a two-handed longsword on the other side. Assume hostile.

Lipstick canister? Assume hostile.
Baseball cap with razors in the back? Assume hostile.

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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:01 pm

New haven america wrote:
Liriena wrote:Car keys? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Paper clips? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Ballpoint pen? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Baseball cap? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.

Knocking on some guy's door? He could have a two-handed longsword on the other side. Assume hostile.

Lipstick canister? Assume hostile.
Baseball cap with razors in the back? Assume hostile.

Crossbows!
Satanic ritual daggers!
Dogs!
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Wallets!
Credit cards!

Everything's a knife that will be used to kill you!
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Postby New haven america » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:02 pm

Liriena wrote:
New haven america wrote:Lipstick canister? Assume hostile.
Baseball cap with razors in the back? Assume hostile.

Crossbows!
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:02 pm

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New haven america wrote:Lipstick canister? Assume hostile.
Baseball cap with razors in the back? Assume hostile.

Crossbows!
Satanic ritual daggers!
Dogs!
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Wait, having a Satanic ritual dagger can be seen as a threat? So that´s why all those kids went running away screaming.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:03 pm

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A very limited likelihood of death. It had more to do with him suddenly turning around when the cops were near to back up the officer who sprayed the mace. Reaction times are limited and if that's what you have to protect yourself that's what you need to do.


And? limited? No, he could of died. The chance was there, if not lose a eye or worse.

Protect yourself from man who never posed a threat. The real threat was them. Punks got mad they were called out by him and decided to make an example of him. You don't need to shoot the guy with tear gas full stop. Nope. Don't even argue that. Your're really pulling some mental gymnastics here. Cmon. The apologetics Olympics just started.

Dont worry you are winning the apologetics Olympics right now. Keep going.


Your assumption that he never posed a threat makes an ass out of you. When you are in a hostile situation like that someone turning around is likely doing one of to things. 1. throwing a haymaker 2. stabbing you with the knife they pulled out when their back was turned to you.
We see he didn't pull a knife out when he turned around the officers did not and could not see that and if they waited it would have been too late.

This was a reasonable action on the officers part.
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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:What they had to be elected by the community first?

electing all police officers is that what your suggesting? I think electing sheriffs is good but individual officers is a terrible idea not to mention impractical

How about electing multiple officers? Having them run as a "ticket"?
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:04 pm

New haven america wrote:
Liriena wrote:Crossbows!
Satanic ritual daggers!
Dogs!
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2001 A Space Odyssey!

And all those thick Milwaukee accents... *kisses fingers*
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:05 pm

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Liriena wrote:Crossbows!
Satanic ritual daggers!
Dogs!
Fuel caps!
Wallets!
Credit cards!

Wait, having a Satanic ritual dagger can be seen as a threat? So that´s why all those kids went running away screaming.

Kids these days... When I was your age, we did blood magic instead of being on our phones all day.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:07 pm

Liriena wrote:
New haven america wrote:2001 A Space Odyssey!

And all those thick Milwaukee accents... *kisses fingers*

Remember: 10 ft? Shoot on sight. 50 ft? Shoot on sight. 100 ft? Shoot on sight. 300 ft? You might have time to take them down before needing to shoot on sight.
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Postby Slavakino » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:07 pm

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San Lumen wrote:If voting directly on actions of individual police officers is such a great idea why has it not been implemented anywhere?


If universal healthcare is such a good idea, why hasn't the United States implemented it?

Because hospitals there are privatised and it will take time to implement
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Postby New haven america » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:07 pm

Liriena wrote:
Andsed wrote:Wait, having a Satanic ritual dagger can be seen as a threat? So that´s why all those kids went running away screaming.

Kids these days... When I was your age, we did blood magic instead of being on our phones all day.

Blood magic is hard, ok.

The local farmers are getting pretty stingy about people stealing their goats.
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Postby Slavakino » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:08 pm

Liriena wrote:
Andsed wrote:Wait, having a Satanic ritual dagger can be seen as a threat? So that´s why all those kids went running away screaming.

Kids these days... When I was your age, we did blood magic instead of being on our phones all day.

Back in my day we had no fancy phones. We had a PS2 and a crappy Windows XP Desktop
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Postby United States of Devonta » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:09 pm

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And? limited? No, he could of died. The chance was there, if not lose a eye or worse.

Protect yourself from man who never posed a threat. The real threat was them. Punks got mad they were called out by him and decided to make an example of him. You don't need to shoot the guy with tear gas full stop. Nope. Don't even argue that. Your're really pulling some mental gymnastics here. Cmon. The apologetics Olympics just started.

Dont worry you are winning the apologetics Olympics right now. Keep going.


Your assumption that he never posed a threat makes an ass out of you. When you are in a hostile situation like that someone turning around is likely doing one of to things. 1. throwing a haymaker 2. stabbing you with the knife they pulled out when their back was turned to you.
We see he didn't pull a knife out when he turned around the officers did not and could not see that and if they waited it would have been too late.

This was a reasonable action on the officers part.


He had no weapon and he only pointed. No weapon in site or hand. Police decided to possibly kill a guy for approaching their line. Nope. You are wrong. Not reasonable in the slightest. Try again. Punks got mad they were called out and didn't want another person confronting them.

He had a smoke in one hand and a pointed finger in the other. Cops just felt disrespected and abused their power. The amount of force was unnecessary. Sorry. But please, call me a ass again and keep flaming. Big mad or little mad? You are on your way for a record number of gold medals won though in the apologetics Olympics!
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:09 pm

New haven america wrote:
Liriena wrote:And all those thick Milwaukee accents... *kisses fingers*

Remember: 10 ft? Shoot on sight. 50 ft? Shoot on sight. 100 ft? Shoot on sight. 300 ft? You might have to take them down before needing to shoot on sight.

Now this is social distancing!
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:09 pm

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If universal healthcare is such a good idea, why hasn't the United States implemented it?

Because hospitals there are privatised and it will take time to implement


My question was rhetorical to show that the logic of Lumen's post is circular.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:09 pm

Valrifell wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If voting directly on actions of individual police officers is such a great idea why has it not been implemented anywhere?


If universal healthcare is such a good idea, why hasn't the United States implemented it?

There are other countries which aren't the United States of America. Lumen asked why it hasn't been implemented anywhere, in any country. You asked about one specific country. Lumen's question is more valid than yours
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Postby New haven america » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:09 pm

Valrifell wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If voting directly on actions of individual police officers is such a great idea why has it not been implemented anywhere?


If universal healthcare is such a good idea, why hasn't the United States implemented it?

Because the US government is in the pocket of the healthcare industry.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:09 pm

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Andsed wrote:Wait, having a Satanic ritual dagger can be seen as a threat? So that´s why all those kids went running away screaming.

Kids these days... When I was your age, we did blood magic instead of being on our phones all day.

The nerve! Sitting on their phones connecting with people online, enjoying themselves, learning more about the world when they could be kidnapping people and sacrificing them to Satan for power. Just the nerve on them for not joining a cult.
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Postby Slavakino » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:10 pm

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Liriena wrote:Crossbows!
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Dogs!
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2001 A Space Odyssey!

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that
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Liriena wrote:Kids these days... When I was your age, we did blood magic instead of being on our phones all day.

Back in my day we had no fancy phones. We had a PS2 and a crappy Windows XP Desktop

I miss Windows XP. It came with an undersea theme that even added these cute undersea sound effects to everything. :(
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Postby Slavakino » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:11 pm

Liriena wrote:
New haven america wrote:Remember: 10 ft? Shoot on sight. 50 ft? Shoot on sight. 100 ft? Shoot on sight. 300 ft? You might have to take them down before needing to shoot on sight.

Now this is social distancing!

Set your pistol sights to 100 yards and everyone will stay away from you
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:11 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Not being able to remove them because you can't get the required number every time wouldn't cause problems for the community?


What problems would it cause?

This is a genuine question. The two main problems I can think of would exist anyway (the police ignoring the will of the community if the officer's unpopular but not unpopular enough, and the community hating that officer in particular and singling them out to mistreat).

Plenty of officers have been fired for doing bad things.


Clearly not enough, considering the police officer who kicked this shit off had a long record of bad things.

Have a independent review board, require them to reside in their communities.


Agreed on them both.

The sheriff being accountable to the voters make the department accountable.


It doesn't. At the absolute best, it makes the department indirectly accountable. The community can't force the department to be accountable, they have to hope that the sheriff does. If no sheriff is willing to do so, they'll never get accountability.

If the people can vote out an officer, they don't have to care about if the sheriff wants the officer gone. The community only needs itself to make the officer accountable, and I see no good reason why this shouldn't be the case.

other public servants such as health commissioners, firefighters, sanitation head? Some places elect coroners. Should they and the other things I mentioned be elected?


If they make policy decisions, and unless their circumstances make it impossible or pointless to elect them, yes.

If they don't, no.

If they're in a position of inherent power over everyone else, there should be a community-based mechanism for their removal.

And what if they decide to ignore it anyway?

We have district attorneys and state attorney generals for a reason and guess what they are elected. Are you aware of what they do?

If a sheriff isn’t doing enough they can lose their job. No sheriff is going ignore the people after this

You could in theory elect health commissioners and other appointed positions but certain things ought to not be partisan. Electing coroners has led to a lot of serious controversies. John Oliver did a whole segment on it.

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Postby New haven america » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:11 pm

Liriena wrote:
New haven america wrote:Remember: 10 ft? Shoot on sight. 50 ft? Shoot on sight. 100 ft? Shoot on sight. 300 ft? You might have to take them down before needing to shoot on sight.

Now this is social distancing!

All of these pandemics and riots? They're about family, and what's what makes them special.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:11 pm

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Valrifell wrote:
If universal healthcare is such a good idea, why hasn't the United States implemented it?

There are other countries which aren't the United States of America. Lumen asked why it hasn't been implemented anywhere, in any country. You asked about one specific country. Lumen's question is more valid than yours

Val´s question was not a serious one. It was to show how stupid Lumen´s post was since it was basically just saying ¨Well if this idea is so good why has it not happened yet¨. You get that right?
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