America riots after Police kill unarmed Black Man

[Greed and Death]

No one is saying it was accidental we are saying in a split second threat assessment decision it becomes reasonable.

To possibly kill him. And mace him when he obviously stopped advancing. No it was wrong and cowardly. Try again. Keep up the apologetics.

A very limited likelihood of death. It had more to do with him suddenly turning around when the cops were near to back up the officer who sprayed the mace. Reaction times are limited and if that's what you have to protect yourself that's what you need to do.

[Andsed]

What serious problems?



So, the sheriff has the power. Not the community. The best thing the community can do is pick a sheriff that says they're going to hold the police accountable, and cross their fingers that they actually do that.

Trusting the police to police themselves? No thanks.



Firstly, I never said (or at least never meant) elect them. I meant there should be mechanisms for the community to vote them out.

Secondly, depends on what you mean by "other public servants".

Anybody in a position of inherent power over their community should have mechanisms to be removed by their community. Whether that's a community-led independent boards, or votes to remove them. That doesn't necessarily mean votes to elect them (unless they can make policy changes/decisions, then I think as a general rule they should be elected directly), only votes to remove them.

Not being able to remove them because you can't get the required number every time wouldn't cause problems for the community?

Plenty of officers have been fired for doing bad things.Have a independent review board, require them to reside in their communities. The sheriff being accountable to the voters make the department accountable.

other public servants such as health commissioners, firefighters, sanitation head? Some places elect coroners. Should they and the other things I mentioned be elected?

If the majority of people are voting for it then an independent review board should be taking action.

What you have suggested is not enough. Police are protected all the fucking time. The police cannot be trusted to regulate themselves and neither can the government. A review board can be corrupted or bribed and voting on a sheriff or police chief does not make the police accountable. The people should have the power to directly make the police accountable to them.

And all those other public servants do not need these same regulations since they don´t have the power to abuse people like the police do.

[King of the Incels]

This all makes me wonder about the appropriateness of limiting first amendment protesting rights when you're a member or affiliated with certain groups. Antifa, white nationalists, etc. Like as a way of combating the current accelerationist interference in the protests.

[Gormwood]

You just think the cops should bear all the risk.

That is very fascist of you you fascist.

This was an argument?

I hope every cop isn't afraid of americans walking up to them unarmed. Jeesh. Nope they were in the wrong and could of killed him.

The authoritarian here is you

It's G&D. He loves getting a rise out of people.

[San Lumen]

Not being able to remove them because you can't get the required number every time wouldn't cause problems for the community?

Plenty of officers have been fired for doing bad things.Have a independent review board, require them to reside in their communities. The sheriff being accountable to the voters make the department accountable.

other public servants such as health commissioners, firefighters, sanitation head? Some places elect coroners. Should they and the other things I mentioned be elected?

If the majority of people are voting for it then an independent review board should be taking action.

What you have suggested is not enough. Police are protected all the fucking time. The police cannot be trusted to regulate themselves and neither can the government. A review board can be corrupted or bribed and voting out a sheriff does not make the police accountable. The people should have the power to directly make the police accountable to them.

And all those other public servants do not need these same regulations since they don´t have the power to abuse people like the police do.

If voting directly on actions of individual police officers is such a great idea why has it not been implemented anywhere?

[Satuga]

Retired police captain shot and killed trying to protect

Okay I swear true protestors need to start beating the ever loving shit out of looters, they aren't helping the cause and are only making things much fucking worse. I'm not sure if this was posted in this forum yet or not but jesus, killing someone over a fucking store.

[Estanglia]

What serious problems?



So, the sheriff has the power. Not the community. The best thing the community can do is pick a sheriff that says they're going to hold the police accountable, and cross their fingers that they actually do that.

Trusting the police to police themselves? No thanks.



Firstly, I never said (or at least never meant) elect them. I meant there should be mechanisms for the community to vote them out.

Secondly, depends on what you mean by "other public servants".

Anybody in a position of inherent power over their community should have mechanisms to be removed by their community. Whether that's a community-led independent boards, or votes to remove them. That doesn't necessarily mean votes to elect them (unless they can make policy changes/decisions, then I think as a general rule they should be elected directly), only votes to remove them.

Not being able to remove them because you can't get the required number every time wouldn't cause problems for the community?

What problems would it cause?

This is a genuine question. The two main problems I can think of would exist anyway (the police ignoring the will of the community if the officer's unpopular but not unpopular enough, and the community hating that officer in particular and singling them out to mistreat).

Plenty of officers have been fired for doing bad things.

Clearly not enough, considering the police officer who kicked this shit off had a long record of bad things.

Have a independent review board, require them to reside in their communities.

Agreed on them both.

The sheriff being accountable to the voters make the department accountable.

It doesn't. At the absolute best, it makes the department indirectly accountable. The community can't force the department to be accountable, they have to hope that the sheriff does. If no sheriff is willing to do so, they'll never get accountability.

If the people can vote out an officer, they don't have to care about if the sheriff wants the officer gone. The community only needs itself to make the officer accountable, and I see no good reason why this shouldn't be the case.

other public servants such as health commissioners, firefighters, sanitation head? Some places elect coroners. Should they and the other things I mentioned be elected?

If they make policy decisions, and unless their circumstances make it impossible or pointless to elect them, yes.

If they don't, no.

If they're in a position of inherent power over everyone else, there should be a community-based mechanism for their removal.

[Agarntrop]

Not being able to remove them because you can't get the required number every time wouldn't cause problems for the community?

Plenty of officers have been fired for doing bad things.Have a independent review board, require them to reside in their communities. The sheriff being accountable to the voters make the department accountable.

other public servants such as health commissioners, firefighters, sanitation head? Some places elect coroners. Should they and the other things I mentioned be elected?

If the majority of people are voting for it then an independent review board should be taking action.

What you have suggested is not enough. Police are protected all the fucking time. The police cannot be trusted to regulate themselves and neither can the government. A review board can be corrupted or bribed and voting on a sheriff or police chief does not make the police accountable. The people should have the power to directly make the police accountable to them.

And all those other public servants do not need these same regulations since they don´t have the power to abuse people like the police do.

here we have elected police and crime commissioners which are basically sherrifs afaik

[Andsed]

If the majority of people are voting for it then an independent review board should be taking action.

What you have suggested is not enough. Police are protected all the fucking time. The police cannot be trusted to regulate themselves and neither can the government. A review board can be corrupted or bribed and voting out a sheriff does not make the police accountable. The people should have the power to directly make the police accountable to them.

And all those other public servants do not need these same regulations since they don´t have the power to abuse people like the police do.

If voting directly on actions of individual police officers is such a great idea why has it not been implemented anywhere?

Why do you always use this shit? Like honestly Lumen this is not an argument. It is a fallacy and a very stupid one.

[Australian rePublic]

All of a sudden, many of the people who supported Covid lockdowns are out in full force protesting. Also, all of a sudden, it's as if Covid doesn't exist

"Hello, operator? Send me the dumbest take you have... No, not that dumb!"

How exactly is what I wrote dumb? The situation is bloody terrible and dangerous. Many people are putting their health at risk to protest against these scum bag police officers, and that's dangerous, considering there's a huge pandemic going around. I wish for a peacefully resolution more than ever, because these protests are likely to be super-spreader events

[United States of Devonta]

To possibly kill him. And mace him when he obviously stopped advancing. No it was wrong and cowardly. Try again. Keep up the apologetics.

A very limited likelihood of death. It had more to do with him suddenly turning around when the cops were near to back up the officer who sprayed the mace. Reaction times are limited and if that's what you have to protect yourself that's what you need to do.

And? limited? No, he could of died. The chance was there, if not lose a eye or worse.

Protect yourself from man who never posed a threat. The real threat was them. Punks got mad they were called out by him and decided to make an example of him. You don't need to shoot the guy with tear gas full stop. Nope. Don't even argue that. Your're really pulling some mental gymnastics here. Cmon. The apologetics Olympics just started.

Dont worry you are winning the apologetics Olympics right now. Keep going.

[King of the Incels]

Retired police captain shot and killed trying to protect

Okay I swear true protestors need to start beating the ever loving shit out of looters, they aren't helping the cause and are only making things much fucking worse. I'm not sure if this was posted in this forum yet or not but jesus, killing someone over a fucking store.

This.

This all makes me wonder about the appropriateness of limiting first amendment protesting rights when you're a member or affiliated with certain groups. Antifa, white nationalists, etc. Like as a way of combating the current accelerationist interference in the protests.

[Slavakino]

Wheres the fucking army?

[Cisairse]

The LAPD chief getting roasted on Zoom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz0CKlG ... =emb_title

[Liriena]

This was an argument?

I hope every cop isn't afraid of americans walking up to them unarmed. Jeesh. Nope they were in the wrong and could of killed him.

The authoritarian here is you

A lot of police in the US are paranoid motherfuckers, and a lot of that has to do with their training.

Look up Surviving Edged Weapons (Or watch RLM's Best of the Worst about it), and learn just how many ways you can get killed or permanently injured by bladed objects.

Car keys? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Paper clips? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Ballpoint pen? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Baseball cap? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.

Knocking on some guy's door? He could have a two-handed longsword on the other side. Assume hostile.

[New haven america]

Wheres the fucking army?

Generally in their domestic and overseas military bases.

[United States of Devonta]

This was an argument?

I hope every cop isn't afraid of americans walking up to them unarmed. Jeesh. Nope they were in the wrong and could of killed him.

The authoritarian here is you

It's G&D. He loves getting a rise out of people.

He also thinks people should die and be maimed for daring to walk near a police line on roads they pay for.

[New haven america]

A lot of police in the US are paranoid motherfuckers, and a lot of that has to do with their training.

Look up Surviving Edged Weapons (Or watch RLM's Best of the Worst about it), and learn just how many ways you can get killed or permanently injured by bladed objects.

Car keys? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Paper clips? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Ballpoint pen? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.
Baseball cap? Edged weapon. Assume hostile.

Knocking on some guy's door? He could have a two-handed longsword on the other side. Assume hostile.

Lipstick canister? Assume hostile.
Baseball cap with razors in the back? Assume hostile.

[King of the Incels]

Wheres the fucking army?

The rare fifth arm of the us armed forces. Sent in for nookie time.

the fucking army

[Liriena]

"Hello, operator? Send me the dumbest take you have... No, not that dumb!"

How exactly is what I wrote dumb? The situation is bloody terrible and dangerous. Many people are putting their health at risk to protest against these scum bag police officers, and that's dangerous, considering there's a huge pandemic going around. I wish for a peacefully resolution more than ever, because these protests are likely to be super-spreader events

My bad. I assumed you were trying to pull a "covid-19 was fake news because libs are protesting now".

[Andsed]

If the majority of people are voting for it then an independent review board should be taking action.

What you have suggested is not enough. Police are protected all the fucking time. The police cannot be trusted to regulate themselves and neither can the government. A review board can be corrupted or bribed and voting on a sheriff or police chief does not make the police accountable. The people should have the power to directly make the police accountable to them.

And all those other public servants do not need these same regulations since they don´t have the power to abuse people like the police do.

here we have elected police and crime commissioners which are basically sherrifs afaik

Which is all well and good. But more should be done. When the only ones who can be elected are officers it does not really make them accountable.

[Valrifell]

If the majority of people are voting for it then an independent review board should be taking action.

What you have suggested is not enough. Police are protected all the fucking time. The police cannot be trusted to regulate themselves and neither can the government. A review board can be corrupted or bribed and voting out a sheriff does not make the police accountable. The people should have the power to directly make the police accountable to them.

And all those other public servants do not need these same regulations since they don´t have the power to abuse people like the police do.

If voting directly on actions of individual police officers is such a great idea why has it not been implemented anywhere?

If universal healthcare is such a good idea, why hasn't the United States implemented it?

[Satuga]

It's G&D. He loves getting a rise out of people.

He also thinks people should die and be maimed for daring to walk near a police line on roads they pay for.

Probably not Genuinely, G&D seems to be the kinda guy that likes fucking around

[Cisairse]

If voting directly on actions of individual police officers is such a great idea why has it not been implemented anywhere?

If universal healthcare is such a good idea, why hasn't the United States implemented it?

lmfao

[Estanglia]

If the majority of people are voting for it then an independent review board should be taking action.

What you have suggested is not enough. Police are protected all the fucking time. The police cannot be trusted to regulate themselves and neither can the government. A review board can be corrupted or bribed and voting out a sheriff does not make the police accountable. The people should have the power to directly make the police accountable to them.

And all those other public servants do not need these same regulations since they don´t have the power to abuse people like the police do.

If voting directly on actions of individual police officers is such a great idea why has it not been implemented anywhere?

This is an extremely stupid question that doesn't even deserve to be answered.

But I'll give two reasons:
- governments that are indifferent about their community and what they want, and don't care to implement systems to give them power.
- police may not want such a system, since it means they're accountable and bad police and those covering for bad police wouldn't want a system they couldn't control with the power to punish them to exist.