America riots after Police kill unarmed Black Man

[Jedi Council]

Doesnt really make it any better.

I work in retail, if looters broke into my store, the sane thing to do is to leave, or find somewhere safe, not start shooting at human beings.

Otherwise, countless sports fans would be dead for the numerous riots that have occurred when a game doesnt go their way.

Really, resorting to force to protect property is silly, unless you personally feel that your life is in danger.

well if your a mom and pop store then having looters stealing your stuff means they are destroying your livelihood I have every right to defend myself with force

Because insurance is overrated right?

[The Lone Alliance]

Depressingly considering half the people hate cops and the other half hate rioters..... and then there's a third faction who hates both.

Sounds like a lot of people want that.

I now understand why it sounds like you're talking abt a distant country u know next to nothing abt lol

I'm mostly talking about the people online, the GIFT is in action and strong.

I see a lot of people going "Fuck Cops" and a lot of people going "Fuck Rioters" and a lot of people going "Fuck them both".

It's one reason I'm dialing back my social media exposure, too much hate.

[Jedi Council]

Doesnt really make it any better.

I work in retail, if looters broke into my store, the same thing to do is to leave, or find somewhere safe, not start shooting at human beings.

Otherwise, countless sports fans would be dead for the numerous riots that have occurred when a game doesnt go their way.

Really, resorting to force to protect property is silly, unless you personally feel that your life is in danger.

If I own the store and it is my life savings that is on the line I am going to stop the looting and if making myself know and making it clear I will attempt to stop him he still tries to enter I will deem him a reasonable threat to my life and respond accordingly.

Stores, property, livelihoods, savings, these things can all be rebuilt, especially if you have good insurance, as any responsible small business owner should.

A human life, even when said life is engaged in an act which is morally wrong, should not be taken unless it is a direct threat to another life.

[Cisairse]

Sheila Jackson Lee just announced at the Houston rally that she will be introducing "revolutionary" legislation in Congress to address the grievances of the protesters.

[Liriena]

It took riots to make the state government of Minnesota to commit to investigate the entirety of the MPD to root out its systemic racism.

Which leads to a point many of us here have repeatedly made: if you don't want riots, don't put communities in a position where it takes a riot to get the government to act.

[San Lumen]

and I see the ability to vote on individual officers to be easily abused

Have some checks then. Require 75% of the community total to vote them out, require some legal mechanism for them to even be up for voting on, give the officer some means of recourse if they're voted out.

Put some checks into place if you're so scared about the consequences of a community being able to hold the people who police them accountable for their actions. But a community that cannot hold officers accountable directly but instead have to go through a indirect way that isn't even guaranteed to give them accountability no matter how much they want it is a community that is easily abused.

Its a stupid idea. 75 percent is a very high number to achieve and even with that I see it easily being abused

A rank and file police officer is a job that one earns and you should not be able to lose it because the community decides they dont like you. Sheriffs is different because they head the department

[-Ocelot-]

I should’ve clarified. Whether it makes it any better for you, I don’t know.

I meant that should a looter break into a shop where the owners are currently, and those owners are armed and then decide to shoot the looters, I wouldn’t shed any tears. I’m sorry if you thought I meant the police or military should do it.

Doesnt really make it any better.

I work in retail, if looters broke into my store, the sane thing to do is to leave, or find somewhere safe, not start shooting at human beings.

Otherwise, countless sports fans would be dead for the numerous riots that have occurred when a game doesnt go their way.

Really, resorting to force to protect property is silly, unless you personally feel that your life is in danger.

No, the sane thing would not be to happily leave a mob of thugs to roll over your property.

I see countless shop owners in the US deterring looters from attacking their stores. It works and it's the sane thing to do, not bending over and letting them steal your things.

[The Black Forrest]

well if your a mom and pop store then having looters stealing your stuff means they are destroying your livelihood I have every right to defend myself with force

Because insurance is overrated right?

Not sure the going rates. However; Insurance companies have this thing about charging more by zip code.

For example; I live in Earth quake country. Insurance is extreamly expensive for it.

[Greed and Death]

well if your a mom and pop store then having looters stealing your stuff means they are destroying your livelihood I have every right to defend myself with force

Because insurance is overrated right?

Small businesses likely can't afford insurance that covers this.
It is normally large companies that have insurance that covers this because they have a large number of locations to spread out the risk.

And telling something who just lost their life savings they should have had insurance is a callous inhumane thing to say I prey you nor your family every suffer such a tragedy

[Gig em Aggies]

well if your a mom and pop store then having looters stealing your stuff means they are destroying your livelihood I have every right to defend myself with force

Because insurance is overrated right?

insurance doesn't cover looting you have a right to defend your self, family, and business. plus how would you feel if someone during a riot decided to break in and loot your store while destroying stuff they cant take. Would you have an extra 10k or more just lying around to fix it up? no, no you wouldn't I bet your HO or Renters insurance doesn't cover looting now does it? no okay then stop saying people shouldn't defend their property against assholes who should know better

[Andsed]

Have some checks then. Require 75% of the community total to vote them out, require some legal mechanism for them to even be up for voting on, give the officer some means of recourse if they're voted out.

Put some checks into place if you're so scared about the consequences of a community being able to hold the people who police them accountable for their actions. But a community that cannot hold officers accountable directly but instead have to go through a indirect way that isn't even guaranteed to give them accountability no matter how much they want it is a community that is easily abused.

Its a stupid idea. A rank and file police officer is a job that one earns and you should not be able to lose it because the community decides they dont like you. Sheriffs is different because they head the department

No what your suggesting is stupid idea. The police are hear to serve and protect the community. If an officer has angered a large portion of the community then they are likely doing something wrong. And with all the shit the police have pulled trusting them to regulate themselves is a dumb idea.

[King of the Incels]

If I own the store and it is my life savings that is on the line I am going to stop the looting and if making myself know and making it clear I will attempt to stop him he still tries to enter I will deem him a reasonable threat to my life and respond accordingly.

Stores, property, livelihoods, savings, these things can all be rebuilt, especially if you have good insurance, as any responsible small business owner should.

A human life, even when said life is engaged in an act which is morally wrong, should not be taken unless it is a direct threat to another life.

Property is bought by expending your time, and has roughly the same value as a human life. Both freedom and opportunity are worth more than human lives.

[The Lone Alliance]

Actual footage of a rioter destroying public property being tackled by protesters and dragged to the police line to be handed over.

https://www.facebook.com/AmericasVoiceN ... 565314128/

Absolutely fucking amazing.

Stopping him was a good move. Giving him over to the police was idiotic, given what these protests are about. Why would you entrust him to the same lawless pricks who've been shooting, beating and gassing peaceful protestors at will? For all they knew, the guy could have then been seriously injured or even killed by those cops.

If you're protesting police, don't actively make their job easier. Civil disobedience 101.

Except removing him actually makes their job harder if the police goal is to catch the protesters doing violence in order to justify violence against the protesters.

They just removed a scapegoat for the police to use against them. Plus now the police are going to have to detain and deal with said idiot, if said idiot isn't actually an undercover cop in disguise.

[San Lumen]

Its a stupid idea. A rank and file police officer is a job that one earns and you should not be able to lose it because the community decides they dont like you. Sheriffs is different because they head the department

No what your suggesting is stupid idea. The police are hear to serve and protect the community. If an officer has angered a large portion of the community then they are likely doing something wrong. And with all this shit going down trusting the police to regulate themselves is a dumb idea.

Then have a independent review board. We also have district attorneys and state attorney generals who can investigate. They are also elected

If this is such a great idea why has no one proposed it?

[Estanglia]

Have some checks then. Require 75% of the community total to vote them out, require some legal mechanism for them to even be up for voting on, give the officer some means of recourse if they're voted out.

Put some checks into place if you're so scared about the consequences of a community being able to hold the people who police them accountable for their actions. But a community that cannot hold officers accountable directly but instead have to go through a indirect way that isn't even guaranteed to give them accountability no matter how much they want it is a community that is easily abused.

Its a stupid idea. 75 percent is a very high number to achieve and even with that I see it easily being abused

If 75% of the entire community is a standard that is easily abused, there's another problem there separate from this issue.

A rank and file police officer is a job that one earns and you should not be able to lose it because the community decides they dont like you.

Why?

Why shouldn't a community have the power to determine who polices them?

Why shouldn't they have the ability to dismiss an officer they do not want to police them?

Policing is not like, say, being a shopkeeper. If you're a police officer, you're in a position designed to give you power over others. Those others should have the power to decide whether or not you stay in that position, particularly if you abuse that power and get away with it.

Sheriffs is different because they head the department

And changing sheriff doesn't guarantee accountability.

[Jedi Council]

Because insurance is overrated right?

insurance doesn't cover looting you have a right to defend your self, family, and business. plus how would you feel if someone during a riot decided to break in and loot your store while destroying stuff they cant take. Would you have an extra 10k or more just lying around to fix it up? no, no you wouldn't I bet your HO or Renters insurance doesn't cover looting now does it? no okay then stop saying people shouldn't defend their property against assholes who should know better

I never said you should not defend your property, by all means try to dissuade anyone from entering, but I just do not believe looting is a crime that should be met with lethal force.

If this were the case, as I have said previously, countless Canucks fans would have been shot in the 2011 riots in my hometown.

People should not be killed because they are stealing or damaging property. It's that simple.

[Jedi Council]

Stores, property, livelihoods, savings, these things can all be rebuilt, especially if you have good insurance, as any responsible small business owner should.

A human life, even when said life is engaged in an act which is morally wrong, should not be taken unless it is a direct threat to another life.

Property is bought by expending your time, and has roughly the same value as a human life. Both freedom and opportunity are worth more than human lives.

Property does not have the same value as a human life.

My car is worth several months of my wages, that does not mean I get to kill someone trying to steal it.

[Andsed]

No what your suggesting is stupid idea. The police are hear to serve and protect the community. If an officer has angered a large portion of the community then they are likely doing something wrong. And with all this shit going down trusting the police to regulate themselves is a dumb idea.

Then have a independent review board. We also have district attorneys and state attorney generals who can investigate. They are also elected

If this is such a great idea why has no one proposed it?

Why not both? Have them around but give people the option to remove those they believe are abusing their power. People in those position can be bribed or corrupted and quite frankly the government has shown that trusting it to regulate the police effectively is not always going to work.

(And I am not going to even address your other statement because it is dumb.)

[Estanglia]

Its a stupid idea. A rank and file police officer is a job that one earns and you should not be able to lose it because the community decides they dont like you. Sheriffs is different because they head the department

No what your suggesting is stupid idea. The police are hear to serve and protect the community. If an officer has angered a large portion of the community then they are likely doing something wrong. And with all the shit the police have pulled trusting them to regulate themselves is a dumb idea.

Considering this entire situation is semi-sparked by the fact that police don't properly police themselves, there needs to be some way for them to be policed by non-police.

Independent community-led review boards, giving the community the power to vote out officers, or some other method for the community to hold the police accountable is necessary.

[Andsed]

No what your suggesting is stupid idea. The police are hear to serve and protect the community. If an officer has angered a large portion of the community then they are likely doing something wrong. And with all the shit the police have pulled trusting them to regulate themselves is a dumb idea.

Considering this entire situation is semi-sparked by the fact that police don't properly police themselves, there needs to be some way for them to be policed by non-police.

Independent community-led review boards, giving the community the power to vote out officers, or some other method for the community to hold the police accountable is necessary.

Yep. Not to mention drastic reforms in terms of the training and culture found in the police.

[King of the Incels]

Property is bought by expending your time, and has roughly the same value as a human life. Both freedom and opportunity are worth more than human lives.

Property does not have the same value as a human life.

My car is worth several months of my wages, that does not mean I get to kill someone trying to steal it.

Yes, it does.
Every time, every where.

[Cisairse]

Property does not have the same value as a human life.

My car is worth several months of my wages, that does not mean I get to kill someone trying to steal it.

Yes, it does.
Every time, every where.

That's a ridiculous opinion to hold.

[-Ocelot-]

Property is bought by expending your time, and has roughly the same value as a human life. Both freedom and opportunity are worth more than human lives.

Property does not have the same value as a human life.

My car is worth several months of my wages, that does not mean I get to kill someone trying to steal it.

Can I have your car, then?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Yes, it does.
Every time, every where.

That's a ridiculous opinion to hold.

So is the notion that everyone should just let people help themselves to shit that doesn't belong to them at the expense of others.

[Gig em Aggies]

insurance doesn't cover looting you have a right to defend your self, family, and business. plus how would you feel if someone during a riot decided to break in and loot your store while destroying stuff they cant take. Would you have an extra 10k or more just lying around to fix it up? no, no you wouldn't I bet your HO or Renters insurance doesn't cover looting now does it? no okay then stop saying people shouldn't defend their property against assholes who should know better

I never said you should not defend your property, by all means try to dissuade anyone from entering, but I just do not believe looting is a crime that should be met with lethal force.

If this were the case, as I have said previously, countless Canucks fans would have been shot in the 2011 riots in my hometown.

well then how are you going to defend your store against hundreds of looters from stealing your stuff ask them nicely no. And again if you only have one store and it's your sole source of income you don't have the luxury to just hide and wait. plus comparing sporting championship celebration getting a little out of hand to massive national riots that set police stations and countless businesses on fire and several people across the country in the hospital is stupid.