America riots after Police kill unarmed Black Man

[Senkaku]

Yep, NYPD kidnapping & doxxing the daughter of the Democratic mayor & then bragging about it on Twitter really screams "run by local Democrats" to me too.

She was lawfully arrested. Again She was doxxed the sgt's union, not PD. Mullins is not the voice of NYPD.

saying the voice of the police union is not the voice of the police

:thonk:

You really think the NYPD is being run by the Mayor?

yes. While it is true that he has always hated PD, and PD has always hated him. He still appoints the leadership of NYPD and sets policy for PD.

I think it’s fair to say he seems far too scared of NYPD to assert serious control or try to rein them in

What I am laughing at is that now he has to defend PD to attempt to maintain order in the city. It must be killing him to do so.

Listening to him justify them running people over was indeed something else ig

[Cisairse]

She was lawfully arrested. Again She was doxxed the sgt's union, not PD. Mullins is not the voice of NYPD.

saying the voice of the police union is not the voice of the police

:thonk:

yes. While it is true that he has always hated PD, and PD has always hated him. He still appoints the leadership of NYPD and sets policy for PD.

I think it’s fair to say he seems far too scared of NYPD to assert serious control or try to rein them in

What I am laughing at is that now he has to defend PD to attempt to maintain order in the city. It must be killing him to do so.

Listening to him justify them running people over was indeed something else ig

It's safe to say at this point that the NYPD is acting as an organized crime racket.

[Thermodolia]

For the latter, you could do a "x% of people in the policed community sign a petition, and the police officer is put up to the ballot" system.

It should exist alongside an oversight committee, but it means that if the committee is corrupt or gives a ruling that the community disagrees with, the community can step in and have their voices heard. It also means that they can remove people, even if they didn't break rules. e.g if a cop is a constant asshole on a power trip but technically isn't breaking the rules/the committee can't do anything about them, the community can remove them themselves.

I see a possibility for abuse here.

Which is why the oversight committee exists. So that decisions can be appealed

[Andsed]

That doesn’t solve the issue here

Why not? If the department does a bad job the sheriff can be voted out of office

And then what? You can't just run for Sheriff and the candidates being officers themselves may not be willing to do anything. This way makes sure the cops cannot just keep protecting each other.

[The Black Forrest]

Enemies of the people. Nevermind "lamestream", the President of the fucking United States call the free press the enemies of the people.

He's using the words directly. He outright calls for hostility and violence against the free press.

Yeah, there is no mystery here.

The police are just protecting people from the evil fake news media.

Evil bastards. Out there talking to people....taking their pictures....filming....what are they up to?

[Senkaku]

saying the voice of the police union is not the voice of the police

:thonk:


I think it’s fair to say he seems far too scared of NYPD to assert serious control or try to rein them in


Listening to him justify them running people over was indeed something else ig

It's safe to say at this point that the NYPD is acting as an organized crime racket.

It’s been safe to say that for decades lmao

[Estanglia]

For the latter, you could do a "x% of people in the policed community sign a petition, and the police officer is put up to the ballot" system.

It should exist alongside an oversight committee, but it means that if the committee is corrupt or gives a ruling that the community disagrees with, the community can step in and have their voices heard. It also means that they can remove people, even if they didn't break rules. e.g if a cop is a constant asshole on a power trip but technically isn't breaking the rules/the committee can't do anything about them, the community can remove them themselves.

I see a possibility for abuse here.

Potentially, but it might scare the cops enough so they stop going on power trips, since someone just has to get their name and convince their community to sign a petition and vote them out and boom they lose their power.

There could be some checks. Set the minimum to vote out an officer to 66%-75%, so that the officer has to be disliked by a significant majority, make it so getting voted out carries fewer penalties than firing, etc.

[Ethel mermania]

She was lawfully arrested. Again She was doxxed the sgt's union, not PD. Mullins is not the voice of NYPD.

saying the voice of the police union is not the voice of the police

:thonk:

yes. While it is true that he has always hated PD, and PD has always hated him. He still appoints the leadership of NYPD and sets policy for PD.

I think it’s fair to say he seems far too scared of NYPD to assert serious control or try to rein them in

What I am laughing at is that now he has to defend PD to attempt to maintain order in the city. It must be killing him to do so.

Listening to him justify them running people over was indeed something else ig

If you think the the sgts union runs NYPD you know NOTHING.

Mullins clashes with the PBA (Patrolmans union) all the time.

[San Lumen]

Why not? If the department does a bad job the sheriff can be voted out of office

And then what? You can't just run for Sheriff and the candidates being officers themselves may not be willing to do anything. This way makes sure the cops cannot just keep protecting each other.

A sheriff should have a law enforcement background and if they arent willing to do anything vote them out.

[Andsed]

And then what? You can't just run for Sheriff and the candidates being officers themselves may not be willing to do anything. This way makes sure the cops cannot just keep protecting each other.

A sheriff should have a law enforcement background and if they arent willing to do anything vote them out.

And then what? If the only people who can run for sheriff are officers who is to say any would be willing to(or could) do anything?

[The Black Forrest]

I have only lived in a mid-size town of around 150,000 for most of my life until I moved to Austin in 2018 so I don't have much experience with big city police

150,000 is mid size? Holy shit that’s a big ass city to me. My hometown is only 23,000.

150K? My city is close to a million.

[Senkaku]

saying the voice of the police union is not the voice of the police

:thonk:


I think it’s fair to say he seems far too scared of NYPD to assert serious control or try to rein them in


Listening to him justify them running people over was indeed something else ig

If you think the the sgts union runs NYPD you know NOTHING.

Mullins clashes with the PBA (Patrolmans union) all the time.

I don’t think they “run NYPD” lmfao read what I actually said

It’s not unreasonable for people to be upset that an org that represents A LOT of cops is doing these sorts of things and it’s silly to claim they’re not one of the major mouthpieces for the dept, esp its hardline elements (and whatever moderate elements exist seem unable or unwilling to take them on!)

[San Lumen]

A sheriff should have a law enforcement background and if they arent willing to do anything vote them out.

And then what? If the only people who can run for sheriff are officers who is to say any would be willing to(or could) do anything?

They run the department and are accountable to the people. if they do a bad job they can be voted out of office

[Estanglia]

And then what? If the only people who can run for sheriff are officers who is to say any would be willing to(or could) do anything?

They run the department and are accountable to the people. if they do a bad job they can be voted out of office

And be replaced by someone who is part of the same culture that the former sheriff is.

If a community's only means of holding the police accountable is choosing one person from a limited group of people who they have little control over once they're in power, they don't have the ability to hold the police accountable.

[Andsed]

And then what? If the only people who can run for sheriff are officers who is to say any would be willing to(or could) do anything?

They run the department and are accountable to the people. if they do a bad job they can be voted out of office

Did you read what I said? Just voting them out is not going to enough in some cases. Which is why we should place the power to check the police in the hands of the community. So that officers cannot just protect each other.

[Thermodolia]

That doesn’t solve the issue here

Why not? If the department does a bad job the sheriff can be voted out of office

I have yet to see that happen

[Cisairse]

I have only lived in a mid-size town of around 150,000 for most of my life until I moved to Austin in 2018 so I don't have much experience with big city police

150,000 is mid size? Holy shit that’s a big ass city to me. My hometown is only 23,000.

NYC is 8.3 million, and that's city proper not metro area

[San Lumen]

They run the department and are accountable to the people. if they do a bad job they can be voted out of office

And be replaced by someone who is part of the same culture that the former sheriff is.

If a community's only means of holding the police accountable is choosing one person from a limited group of people who they have little control over once they're in power, they don't have the ability to hold the police accountable.

and I see the ability to vote on individual officers to be easily abused

[SangMar]

150,000 is mid size? Holy shit that’s a big ass city to me. My hometown is only 23,000.

NYC is 8.3 million, and that's city proper not metro area

Tokyo proper is 13.5 million, though after checking, the Metropolitan area is actually 37 million people, not 30.

[Thermodolia]

And then what? If the only people who can run for sheriff are officers who is to say any would be willing to(or could) do anything?

They run the department and are accountable to the people. if they do a bad job they can be voted out of office

You are way too optimistic

[Andsed]

And be replaced by someone who is part of the same culture that the former sheriff is.

If a community's only means of holding the police accountable is choosing one person from a limited group of people who they have little control over once they're in power, they don't have the ability to hold the police accountable.

and I see the ability to vote on individual officers to be easily abused

Which is why you just make it so that needed amount of signature needs to be a significant portion of the community. It's not perfect but it is better than what we have now.

[Estanglia]

And be replaced by someone who is part of the same culture that the former sheriff is.

If a community's only means of holding the police accountable is choosing one person from a limited group of people who they have little control over once they're in power, they don't have the ability to hold the police accountable.

and I see the ability to vote on individual officers to be easily abused

Have some checks then. Require 75% of the community total to vote them out, require some legal mechanism for them to even be up for voting on, give the officer some means of recourse if they're voted out.

Put some checks into place if you're so scared about the consequences of a community being able to hold the people who police them accountable for their actions. But a community that cannot hold officers accountable directly but instead have to go through a indirect way that isn't even guaranteed to give them accountability no matter how much they want it is a community that is easily abused.

[Thermodolia]

150,000 is mid size? Holy shit that’s a big ass city to me. My hometown is only 23,000.

150K? My city is close to a million.

I mean I’m coming from a place where the largest city is no more than 5k people.

[Thermodolia]

And be replaced by someone who is part of the same culture that the former sheriff is.

If a community's only means of holding the police accountable is choosing one person from a limited group of people who they have little control over once they're in power, they don't have the ability to hold the police accountable.

and I see the ability to vote on individual officers to be easily abused

That’s why you have the ability to appeal the decision to the oversight committee.

[Thermodolia]

NYC is 8.3 million, and that's city proper not metro area

Tokyo proper is 13.5 million, though after checking, the Metropolitan area is actually 37 million people, not 30.

Ya those are massive. But ya if the cops in my neck of the woods can be utter assholes then so can the city cops. Assholes exist everywhere