America riots after Police kill unarmed Black Man

[Cisairse]

Nice to see you think that assaulting the free press is funny now.

Stop, just don’t

Maybe if you don't want people calling you out for thinking that assaulting the free press is funny, you shouldn't respond with a laughing smilie to a post about the free press being assaulted.

Just a thought.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And by peer-group pressure, the passively bad ones would become actively bad. And the whole lot could be charged and imprisoned.

A bit too accelerationist for my taste.

It probably would have a lot of short term pain, I ain’t gonna lie. The fallout would maybe be just barely worth it.

So then you bring back the good cops to arrest the bad cops. Gently and respectfully. Bad cops kick their asses.

It's not as drastic, so less effective, but how about modifying police bodycams so the CAN'T turn them off?

[Thermodolia]

The last bit is why we need an independent commission to investigate and oversee the police. That way the good officers can Anonymously report this shit without fear of reprisals

An enquiry could probably proceed just from the Justice Department (ie Trump), but actually doing anything about it would be some heavy legislation. Very few cops are Federal. The State and County police are outside Federal command, the wailing about state's rights would be deafening. There would be court challenges.

That’s why I support state level independent oversight committees and not federal.

[United States of Devonta]

An enquiry could probably proceed just from the Justice Department (ie Trump), but actually doing anything about it would be some heavy legislation. Very few cops are Federal. The State and County police are outside Federal command, the wailing about state's rights would be deafening. There would be court challenges.

That’s why I support state level independent oversight committees and not federal.

Fully agree.

[Cisairse]

It probably would have a lot of short term pain, I ain’t gonna lie. The fallout would maybe be just barely worth it.

So then you bring back the good cops to arrest the bad cops. Gently and respectfully. Bad cops kick their asses.

It's not as drastic, so less effective, but how about modifying police bodycams so the CAN'T turn them off?

They'll just put tape over them, like Seattle did this week.

[Ors Might]

It probably would have a lot of short term pain, I ain’t gonna lie. The fallout would maybe be just barely worth it.

So then you bring back the good cops to arrest the bad cops. Gently and respectfully. Bad cops kick their asses.

It's not as drastic, so less effective, but how about modifying police bodycams so the CAN'T turn them off?

That would probably cause less suffering overall, if you’re into that sort of thing.

I jest but that would definitely be a good reform to start with.

[San Lumen]

electing all police officers is that what your suggesting? I think electing sheriffs is good but individual officers is a terrible idea not to mention impractical

I think it's worth a shot.

Its simply not practical

[Nobel Hobos 2]

An enquiry could probably proceed just from the Justice Department (ie Trump), but actually doing anything about it would be some heavy legislation. Very few cops are Federal. The State and County police are outside Federal command, the wailing about state's rights would be deafening. There would be court challenges.

That’s why I support state level independent oversight committees and not federal.

That's good to start. Some states will refuse though, and need a bit of a prod with the federal funding stick.

[San Lumen]

if a majority did what would they do? Perhaps they need to stop being afraid

It’s really easy for you to say that when you haven’t faced what happens to those who attempt to speak out. You get fired at best and killed at worst.

Not a lot of people want to lose their jobs. Which is why we need a system where officers can anonymously report things.

There unfortunately isn’t a majority who want to expose cops. Hell a poster here was saying that their father who was the fucking sheriff was having issues trying to reform the system. If the leadership has issues trying to make changes what makes you think that a single low level officer can make a difference?

The level of abuse is so bad that it’s on par with those trapped in abusive relationships, it’s really easy for us on the outside to say that they should just run or fight back but when you are in those situations things are a lot different

If the majority of cops spoke out things would change

[Thermodolia]

I’d go further and say they should live in the communities they serve

Why is residing in the city not far enough?

Because a city can be fucking large like NYC, LA or Atlanta and those from different sections of the city might still be prone to othering those in different communities

[Ors Might]

So then you bring back the good cops to arrest the bad cops. Gently and respectfully. Bad cops kick their asses.

It's not as drastic, so less effective, but how about modifying police bodycams so the CAN'T turn them off?

They'll just put tape over them, like Seattle did this week.

..How in the fresh Hell does that happen without any disciplinary action?

[Cisairse]

I think it's worth a shot.

Its simply not practical

Why?

[Thermodolia]

The last bit is why we need an independent commission to investigate and oversee the police. That way the good officers can Anonymously report this shit without fear of reprisals

NJ's AG today announced that they're implementing a statewide licensing system for local police, to make it more possible for police who commit acts of brutality to be prevented from working elsewhere after they're fired.

IMO that's a great step forward.

Good. We have a system here in Georgia that works pretty well. If you get fired from a department or arrested the state Licensing organization suspends your License until a investigation is complete

[San Lumen]

Why is residing in the city not far enough?

Because a city can be fucking large like NYC, LA or Atlanta and those from different sections of the city might still be prone to othering those in different communities

I think that's too restrictive. How is a officer in Midtown supposed to afford rent or a apartment on their salary?

[SangMar]

It probably would have a lot of short term pain, I ain’t gonna lie. The fallout would maybe be just barely worth it.

So then you bring back the good cops to arrest the bad cops. Gently and respectfully. Bad cops kick their asses.

It's not as drastic, so less effective, but how about modifying police bodycams so the CAN'T turn them off?

Why not have them be remote operated - (might be practical?) so that the police can radio for when they need to be switched off, with a five minute limit at a time, which can extended through subsequent radio request. It would have to be justified - I.E, need to use the toilet, speaking to a child about an assault etc.

Also, I think battery technology will need to be improved too - as it stands, I don’t think the cameras can function for eight hours.

[Ors Might]

It’s really easy for you to say that when you haven’t faced what happens to those who attempt to speak out. You get fired at best and killed at worst.

Not a lot of people want to lose their jobs. Which is why we need a system where officers can anonymously report things.

There unfortunately isn’t a majority who want to expose cops. Hell a poster here was saying that their father who was the fucking sheriff was having issues trying to reform the system. If the leadership has issues trying to make changes what makes you think that a single low level officer can make a difference?

The level of abuse is so bad that it’s on par with those trapped in abusive relationships, it’s really easy for us on the outside to say that they should just run or fight back but when you are in those situations things are a lot different

If the majority of cops spoke out things would change

The thing is though that the way things are set up, very few cops would ever choose to bet on their fellows backing them up on speaking out. You’d have to first change a lot of shit in order for that to happen.

[Andsed]

Its simply not practical

Why?

The NYPD has tens of thousands of officers. Do you really think holding tens of thousands of individual elections is "practical"?

[San Lumen]

Its simply not practical

Why?

How are you going to elect several thousand police officers? Electing the sheriff is good enough

[Thermodolia]

That’s why I support state level independent oversight committees and not federal.

That's good to start. Some states will refuse though, and need a bit of a prod with the federal funding stick.

Cut their road and other funding if they don’t implement an independent oversight committee. That’s how we got the drinking age to 21

[Thermodolia]

Because a city can be fucking large like NYC, LA or Atlanta and those from different sections of the city might still be prone to othering those in different communities

I think that's too restrictive. How is a officer in Midtown supposed to afford rent or a apartment on their salary?

Subsidized housing? Have you heard of it?

The city can pay a bit more for peace

[SangMar]

Why?

How are you going to elect several thousand police officers? Electing the sheriff is good enough

Plus, the vetting would be a fucking nightmare.

[Cisairse]

Why?

The NYPD has tens of thousands of officers. Do you really think holding tens of thousands of individual elections is "practical"?

Have you seen the size of ballots already?

Besides, you can localize the elections to just the precinct they would be employed in, no need to hold citywide elections.

[Gig em Aggies]

That's good to start. Some states will refuse though, and need a bit of a prod with the federal funding stick.

Cut their road and other funding if they don’t implement an independent oversight committee. That’s how we got the drinking age to 21

do you think it will hurt worse if they did it in the big cities since that's where a majority of these problems arise?

[Cisairse]

Why?

How are you going to elect several thousand police officers? Electing the sheriff is good enough

Via secret ballot.

[Thermodolia]

So then you bring back the good cops to arrest the bad cops. Gently and respectfully. Bad cops kick their asses.

It's not as drastic, so less effective, but how about modifying police bodycams so the CAN'T turn them off?

Why not have them be remote operated - (might be practical?) so that the police can radio for when they need to be switched off, with a five minute limit at a time, which can extended through subsequent radio request. It would have to be justified - I.E, need to use the toilet, speaking to a child about an assault etc.

Also, I think battery technology will need to be improved too - as it stands, I don’t think the cameras can function for eight hours.

Actually when it comes to the child part I think they need to be left on.