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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat May 30, 2020 7:56 pm

Novus America wrote:
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I suppose that is the benefit of being in the cities, where the marketplace of ideas is much more robust.


Maybe, although I think it is more the entire right vs left dichotomy has turned the political debate into two bad camps, without much an alternative. My ideas are too syncretic, both the left and right would only except the ones aligning with their side.

But I hardly see a robust marketplace of ideas in places like Baltimore City.
They hate the government while re electing the same people from the same party. And both parties are failed.

I think the poll said that like 80% of Baltimore residents have no confidence in their elected officials.

But I bet the incumbents will still win another term in November...
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Sat May 30, 2020 7:57 pm

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Trump's gov't outsources jobs just like Democrats before him.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career ... rump.html/


Sure he has not done nearly enough to fix the problem either. But still one cannot say he is the root cause of Minneapolis’ problems.
Many of which are national but many of which are because the local government and the local voters elected said local government.


Of course I can, he's the President, he's part of the Washington establishment, he has joined the consensus held by both establishment Democrats and Republicans, and the same day they "impeached" Trump, they re-established NAFTA to keep American jobs going overseas. Nevermind the immense federal budget cuts that will be created by the administration's policy of austerity and windfall tax breaks, and the crippling effect that will have on communities all across the U.S., including the cities that used to be the industrial hubs of this country.
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Sat May 30, 2020 7:57 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Maybe, although I think it is more the entire right vs left dichotomy has turned the political debate into two bad camps, without much an alternative. My ideas are too syncretic, both the left and right would only except the ones aligning with their side.

But I hardly see a robust marketplace of ideas in places like Baltimore City.
They hate the government while re electing the same people from the same party. And both parties are failed.

I think the poll said that like 80% of Baltimore residents have no confidence in their elected officials.

But I bet the incumbents will still win another term in November...


American elections are expensive.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 30, 2020 7:59 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Maybe, although I think it is more the entire right vs left dichotomy has turned the political debate into two bad camps, without much an alternative. My ideas are too syncretic, both the left and right would only except the ones aligning with their side.

But I hardly see a robust marketplace of ideas in places like Baltimore City.
They hate the government while re electing the same people from the same party. And both parties are failed.

I think the poll said that like 80% of Baltimore residents have no confidence in their elected officials.

But I bet the incumbents will still win another term in November...

There are contested primaries next week

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Postby Novus America » Sat May 30, 2020 7:59 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Maybe, although I think it is more the entire right vs left dichotomy has turned the political debate into two bad camps, without much an alternative. My ideas are too syncretic, both the left and right would only except the ones aligning with their side.

But I hardly see a robust marketplace of ideas in places like Baltimore City.
They hate the government while re electing the same people from the same party. And both parties are failed.

I think the poll said that like 80% of Baltimore residents have no confidence in their elected officials.

But I bet the incumbents will still win another term in November...


Exactly. Most incumbents will win. And until this doublethink is resolved how can anything improve?
80% have no confidence in the officials elected by what 80%?

It truly makes my head hurt.
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Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Diahon » Sat May 30, 2020 7:59 pm

cops, state guard, national guard just shooting and manhandling journalists now

is it that fucking hard to act decently that you have to act fucking worse if you're needled about abuses of power? is it that hard?

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Postby Aureumterra » Sat May 30, 2020 7:59 pm

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Aren't there riots going on in Japan right now

No?
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Sat May 30, 2020 7:59 pm

Novus America wrote:But I hardly see a robust marketplace of ideas in places like Baltimore City.
They hate the government while re electing the same people from the same party. And both parties are failed.


I would bet Baltimore is more robust than the suburbs around it. The most significant breaks from Washington consensus thinking have come from cities, which have elected some of the most anti-establishment politicians in the country, who unapologetically reject the historic positions of both Democrats and Republicans from as recently as just a couple decades ago.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat May 30, 2020 8:00 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I think the poll said that like 80% of Baltimore residents have no confidence in their elected officials.

But I bet the incumbents will still win another term in November...


American elections are expensive.

Is there a point, or do you just like reading your name in the papers?
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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Sat May 30, 2020 8:00 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
American elections are expensive.

Is there a point, or do you just like reading your name in the papers?


Are these the papers now?
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sat May 30, 2020 8:01 pm

Diahon wrote:cops, state guard, national guard just shooting and manhandling journalists now

is it that fucking hard to act decently that you have to act fucking worse if you're needled about abuses of power? is it that hard?

We’re gonna need some evidence on national guard shooting journalists
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat May 30, 2020 8:01 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
American elections are expensive.

Is there a point, or do you just like reading your name in the papers?


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Postby Aureumterra » Sat May 30, 2020 8:01 pm

Novus America wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I think the poll said that like 80% of Baltimore residents have no confidence in their elected officials.

But I bet the incumbents will still win another term in November...

They keep re-electing Democrat incumbents and the Democrat incumbents keep letting people like Chauvin off the hook with no consequences
Exactly. Most incumbents will win. And until this doublethink is resolved how can anything improve?
80% have no confidence in the officials elected by what 80%?

It truly makes my head hurt.
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Postby Novus America » Sat May 30, 2020 8:01 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
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Sure he has not done nearly enough to fix the problem either. But still one cannot say he is the root cause of Minneapolis’ problems.
Many of which are national but many of which are because the local government and the local voters elected said local government.


Of course I can, he's the President, he's part of the Washington establishment, he has joined the consensus held by both establishment Democrats and Republicans, and the same day they "impeached" Trump, they re-established NAFTA to keep American jobs going overseas. Nevermind the immense federal budget cuts that will be created by the administration's policy of austerity and windfall tax breaks, and the crippling effect that will have on communities all across the U.S., including the cities that used to be the industrial hubs of this country.


I am not defending him (although the problem is the PRC not Mexico) but the problems go much further back and much deeper. I am disappointed that he did not do enough of what he said on trade and infrastructure but he is the symptom, not the disease.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat May 30, 2020 8:02 pm

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Slavakino wrote:The police in Japan are known to be a bit brutal sometimes


Maybe they need to get a little tough on unruly, self-centered Americans who can't behave themselves.

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Postby Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Sat May 30, 2020 8:04 pm

Novus America wrote:
Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Of course I can, he's the President, he's part of the Washington establishment, he has joined the consensus held by both establishment Democrats and Republicans, and the same day they "impeached" Trump, they re-established NAFTA to keep American jobs going overseas. Nevermind the immense federal budget cuts that will be created by the administration's policy of austerity and windfall tax breaks, and the crippling effect that will have on communities all across the U.S., including the cities that used to be the industrial hubs of this country.


I am not defending him (although the problem is the PRC not Mexico) but the problems go much further back and much deeper. I am disappointed that he did not do enough of what he said on trade and infrastructure but he is the symptom, not the disease.


Historically Republicans have not been big on trade protectionism, a Democratic president would be better than a Republican simply by virtue of being more aligned with the labor movement. Back when Democrats and Republicans were all heralding the start of trade with China, and ultimately the loss of millions of American jobs, only trade unions and their allies resisted. That institutional memory is the only thing redeemable about the Democratic coalition.
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Postby Diahon » Sat May 30, 2020 8:06 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Diahon wrote:cops, state guard, national guard just shooting and manhandling journalists now

is it that fucking hard to act decently that you have to act fucking worse if you're needled about abuses of power? is it that hard?

We’re gonna need some evidence on national guard shooting journalists


https://twitter.com/PLBarghouty/status/ ... 54690?s=20
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1266911 ... 94722?s=20

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Postby Novus America » Sat May 30, 2020 8:06 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Novus America wrote:But I hardly see a robust marketplace of ideas in places like Baltimore City.
They hate the government while re electing the same people from the same party. And both parties are failed.


I would bet Baltimore is more robust than the suburbs around it. The most significant breaks from Washington consensus thinking have come from cities, which have elected some of the most anti-establishment politicians in the country, who unapologetically reject the historic positions of both Democrats and Republicans from as recently as just a couple decades ago.


I do not know about that. My suburban county is actually quite well run. Not just controlled by one party.
Whereas the city is just mired in the same rut of the same corrupt machine politics.
The county is the area seeing progress and improvement. Not the city.

And you know I actually like having drivable roads and not getting robbed or shot.
Sure self serving perhaps but again the city never changes anyways.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat May 30, 2020 8:07 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Novus America wrote:But I hardly see a robust marketplace of ideas in places like Baltimore City.
They hate the government while re electing the same people from the same party. And both parties are failed.


I would bet Baltimore is more robust than the suburbs around it. The most significant breaks from Washington consensus thinking have come from cities, which have elected some of the most anti-establishment politicians in the country, who unapologetically reject the historic positions of both Democrats and Republicans from as recently as just a couple decades ago.

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The front-runner is a former mayor who resigned after getting caught embezzling. Baltimore isn't rejecting shit.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat May 30, 2020 8:07 pm

Brunswick-upon-Raritan wrote:
Novus America wrote:
I am not defending him (although the problem is the PRC not Mexico) but the problems go much further back and much deeper. I am disappointed that he did not do enough of what he said on trade and infrastructure but he is the symptom, not the disease.


Historically Republicans have not been big on trade protectionism, a Democratic president would be better than a Republican simply by virtue of being more aligned with the labor movement. Back when Democrats and Republicans were all heralding the start of trade with China, and ultimately the loss of millions of American jobs, only trade unions and their allies resisted. That institutional memory is the only thing redeemable about the Democratic coalition.

If you're talking about the GOP post-Reagan, you'd be right. From Lincoln to Hoover, however, tariffs were always the go-to for economic policy.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sat May 30, 2020 8:08 pm

Diahon wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:We’re gonna need some evidence on national guard shooting journalists


https://twitter.com/PLBarghouty/status/ ... 54690?s=20
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1266911 ... 94722?s=20

Neither one was national guard shooting people dead?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 30, 2020 8:09 pm

Novus America wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I think the poll said that like 80% of Baltimore residents have no confidence in their elected officials.

But I bet the incumbents will still win another term in November...


Exactly. Most incumbents will win. And until this doublethink is resolved how can anything improve?
80% have no confidence in the officials elected by what 80%?

It truly makes my head hurt.

Like I said Baltimore has contested primaries next week

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Postby Diahon » Sat May 30, 2020 8:09 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Slavakino wrote:The police in Japan are known to be a bit brutal sometimes


Maybe they need to get a little tough on unruly, self-centered Americans who can't behave themselves.


unruly, selfcentered americans who can't behave themselves

like george floyd, for one

now he's very fucking quiet as fuck indeed

won't cause a fucking ruckus ever fucking again

and all for a fucking forgery charge

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Postby Diahon » Sat May 30, 2020 8:10 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:

Neither one was national guard shooting people dead?


i did say manhandling

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat May 30, 2020 8:10 pm

Diahon wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:We’re gonna need some evidence on national guard shooting journalists


https://twitter.com/PLBarghouty/status/ ... 54690?s=20
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1266911 ... 94722?s=20

nice clips but none of those prove your point the first just shows a person at night with some flashlights around him nothing in the pictures shows the National Guard shooting anyone the 2nd picture shows tear gas being shot into the area that the journalist was in and from the looks of it the gas was a good 10 or so feet behind him so again it doesn't show the National Guard shooting anyone.
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