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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon May 25, 2020 1:53 pm

If someone I cared about was held hostage and would be released on the grounds that I voted for Trump I'd do it. I might have to attack a few fasists afterwards to make up for my sins.

America was never "great", but xenophobic policies and concentration camps only make this place worse.
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Postby Kernen » Mon May 25, 2020 1:53 pm

I can do that. For money.
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Postby Jedi Council » Mon May 25, 2020 1:53 pm

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Centai Mal wrote:So you're cool with a dude who randomly accuses people of murder and can't listen to doctors during a pandemic that's killed 100k?


I sincerely do not give a shit.

Open borders + war = no vote


Would you care to show any sources that prove Biden, or any candidate in this election really, is pro-open borders and pro-war?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon May 25, 2020 1:55 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I am not offended by your Personal negative insults like those above directed at me. It only strengthens me in my proud support of President Trump for making America Great Again according to our Republican political views. This is what you all who do the same to me and others don't seem to understand.

We believe President Trump is not responsible for the deaths of any Americans or Persons around the world for this evil world wide virus crisis. The only thing responsible for the deaths of Americans and other persons around the world is the evil virus crisis. The Democrats are not evil, VP Joe Biden is not evil. President Trump is not evil and I am not evil, for supporting President Trump and the Republicans.


Really? So you think Trumps performance on Covid has been perfect? There has been no room for improvement?

Because if you believe this, I am afraid you are grossly ill-informed, yet if you dont believe it then Trump must be responsible for at least some American deaths.

I have stated many times Republicans and Democrats think differently on most issues, and their is nothing wrong with it. Take care and be safe from the evil virus.
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Postby Grunstrandr » Mon May 25, 2020 1:57 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Grunstrandr wrote:
I sincerely do not give a shit.

Open borders + war = no vote


Ignoring Trump nearly starting war with Iran. And Trump nearly starting war with North Korea.


Oh I was unaware we are at war with north Korea and Iran (sarcasm)

Yeah because getting in pissing matches with third-world dictatorships is the same as war.

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon May 25, 2020 1:57 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Grunstrandr wrote:
I sincerely do not give a shit.

Open borders + war = no vote


Would you care to show any sources that prove Biden, or any candidate in this election really, is pro-open borders and pro-war?

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Postby Jedi Council » Mon May 25, 2020 1:57 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:
Really? So you think Trumps performance on Covid has been perfect? There has been no room for improvement?

Because if you believe this, I am afraid you are grossly ill-informed, yet if you dont believe it then Trump must be responsible for at least some American deaths.

I have stated many times Republicans and Democrats think differently on most issues, and their is nothing wrong with it. Take care and be safe from the evil virus.


Of course they think differently. Of course there is nothing wrong with that.

But I see you would rather engage via overly polite platitudes to mask the fact that the person you support is an abhorrent excuse for a grown man, rather than actually defending your position.
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Postby Kernen » Mon May 25, 2020 1:58 pm

Grunstrandr wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Ignoring Trump nearly starting war with Iran. And Trump nearly starting war with North Korea.


Oh I was unaware we are at war with north Korea and Iran (sarcasm)

Yeah because getting in pissing matches with third-world dictatorships is the same as war.

We are still at war with North Korea, iirc. But acting in a provocative manner to instigate war is bad. We aren't at war because both sides pulled back, not because Trump wasn't antagonistic.
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Postby Jedi Council » Mon May 25, 2020 1:59 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:
Would you care to show any sources that prove Biden, or any candidate in this election really, is pro-open borders and pro-war?

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon May 25, 2020 2:00 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Iraq
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Biden was against Libya; Clinton was for it. Obama sided with the latter.

Oops. Biden = good
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Postby Centai Mal » Mon May 25, 2020 2:00 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I have stated many times Republicans and Democrats think differently on most issues, and their is nothing wrong with it. Take care and be safe from the evil virus.


Of course they think differently. Of course there is nothing wrong with that.

But I see you would rather engage via overly polite platitudes to mask the fact that the person you support is an abhorrent excuse for a grown man, rather than actually defending your position.

They do think incredibly differently, because they believe that the other side thinks like them, and there's the fatal flaw in politics. Democrats think Republicans are just trying to genuinely make the world a better place, but with a different idea of how to do so, and Republicans think Democrats are just really good at backstabbing and lying and are just waiting for the next opportunity to screw everyone over for their own personal gain
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon May 25, 2020 2:04 pm

Centai Mal wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:
Of course they think differently. Of course there is nothing wrong with that.

But I see you would rather engage via overly polite platitudes to mask the fact that the person you support is an abhorrent excuse for a grown man, rather than actually defending your position.

They do think incredibly differently, because they believe that the other side thinks like them, and there's the fatal flaw in politics. Democrats think Republicans are just trying to genuinely make the world a better place, but with a different idea of how to do so, and Republicans think Democrats are just really good at backstabbing and lying and are just waiting for the next opportunity to screw everyone over for their own personal gain


Democrats may be slightly less right-wing than Republicans, but they're both right-wing parties that support capitalism and the endless war. They have a few differences, but they're very much the same no matter how much they claim not to be.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon May 25, 2020 2:04 pm

Kernen wrote:
Grunstrandr wrote:
Oh I was unaware we are at war with north Korea and Iran (sarcasm)

Yeah because getting in pissing matches with third-world dictatorships is the same as war.

We are still at war with North Korea, iirc. But acting in a provocative manner to instigate war is bad. We aren't at war because both sides pulled back, not because Trump wasn't antagonistic.

The North Korean regime, Cuban Castro regime and Venezuelan regime deserve to be overthrown one way or the other. I would support this policy from President Trump and any President or world leader.

I used to work with 2 North Koreans, a Vietnamese Lady and a Nicaraguan Lady who lived under the Sandinista Communist Socialists of the time. I have posted about many times on related threads.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon May 25, 2020 2:05 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Kernen wrote:We are still at war with North Korea, iirc. But acting in a provocative manner to instigate war is bad. We aren't at war because both sides pulled back, not because Trump wasn't antagonistic.

The North Korean regime, Cuban Castro regime and Venezuelan regime deserve to be overthrown one way or the other. I would support this policy from President Trump and any President or world leader.


Why? So they can be replaced by an equally shitty American backed regime?

Those regimes do deserve to be overthrown, by grassroots revolutionaries and not American astroturf.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon May 25, 2020 2:06 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Iraq
Libya

Biden was against Libya; Clinton was for it. Obama sided with the latter.


He was still for Iraq and for arming Syrian rebels who turned out to be terrorists
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Postby Jedi Council » Mon May 25, 2020 2:06 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Kernen wrote:We are still at war with North Korea, iirc. But acting in a provocative manner to instigate war is bad. We aren't at war because both sides pulled back, not because Trump wasn't antagonistic.

The North Korean regime, Cuban Castro regime and Venezuelan regime deserve to be overthrown one way or the other. I would support this policy from President Trump and any President or world leader.


American intervention ha generally imposed governments that are either ineffective and unstable, or, are just as oppressive and despotic as the government they replaced.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon May 25, 2020 2:07 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:The North Korean regime, Cuban Castro regime and Venezuelan regime deserve to be overthrown one way or the other. I would support this policy from President Trump and any President or world leader.


Why? So they can be replaced by an equally shitty American backed regime?

Those regimes do deserve to be overthrown, by grassroots revolutionaries and not American astroturf.

It’s not equally bad American dictators, Castro was a big improvement on Bautista.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon May 25, 2020 2:08 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Why? So they can be replaced by an equally shitty American backed regime?

Those regimes do deserve to be overthrown, by grassroots revolutionaries and not American astroturf.

It’s not equally bad American dictators, Castro was a big improvement on Bautista.


Honestly Cubans are gonna hate me for saying this, but Bautista was shit and helped pave the way for Castro to take power.
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Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon May 25, 2020 2:08 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Kernen wrote:We are still at war with North Korea, iirc. But acting in a provocative manner to instigate war is bad. We aren't at war because both sides pulled back, not because Trump wasn't antagonistic.

The North Korean regime, Cuban Castro regime and Venezuelan regime deserve to be overthrown one way or the other. I would support this policy from President Trump and any President or world leader.


When has American intervention helped a country like that since World War 2?

The U.S. has staged coups in most of Central and South america at this point and bombed the shit out of the Middle East, and all it does is kill people and anger more people (justifiably) while nothing changes. The U.S. needs to stop playing policeman of the world.
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Postby Droiden » Mon May 25, 2020 2:16 pm

Nothing could make me vote for trump. I'd sooner die than vote for him.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 25, 2020 2:37 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:The North Korean regime, Cuban Castro regime and Venezuelan regime deserve to be overthrown one way or the other. I would support this policy from President Trump and any President or world leader.


When has American intervention helped a country like that since World War 2?

The U.S. has staged coups in most of Central and South america at this point and bombed the shit out of the Middle East, and all it does is kill people and anger more people (justifiably) while nothing changes. The U.S. needs to stop playing policeman of the world.

Kuwait and Korea would be the only ones.
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Postby Solomons Land » Mon May 25, 2020 2:40 pm

I am not of voting age. I generally agree with his policy, but I could not feel comfortable voting for a thief and an adulterer, or someone that says delusional things like "I am the King of Israel".
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon May 25, 2020 2:41 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Why? So they can be replaced by an equally shitty American backed regime?

Those regimes do deserve to be overthrown, by grassroots revolutionaries and not American astroturf.

It’s not equally bad American dictators, Castro was a big improvement on Bautista.

I wish President Trump would be the first American President to visit a free prosperous multi political party capitalist Cuba. I wish President Trump would find a way to overthrow the Venezuelan and North Korean regime, my 2 ex North Korean co worker friends would love that.

lol please tell that to me and my family still in Cuba. Perhaps you have never seen my posts and threads on Cuba. As I recently posted on the Alternate History thread and other related threads. At least under Batista their were not over 3 million Cuban exiles all over the world, no Cuban Balsero Rafters on anything that floats across 90 miles of shark infested waters, no reeducation camps for political prisoners, catholic priests, protestant pastors and gays as their were under Fidel and Raúl. No matter what video links and true personal stories I share to the extent that I can about the real Cuba under Fidel and Raúl will change the minds of those who support, excuse and or deny the nature of the Cuban regime.

But like I always say, I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong on any issues including on my pet issue of Cuba on NS, for obvious reasons as a native Cuban and American citizen. I just argue my views on all issues and leave it at that.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon May 25, 2020 3:01 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:It’s not equally bad American dictators, Castro was a big improvement on Bautista.

I wish President Trump would be the first American President to visit a free prosperous multi political party capitalist Cuba. I wish President Trump would find a way to overthrow the Venezuelan and North Korean regime, my 2 ex North Korean co worker friends would love that.

lol please tell that to me and my family still in Cuba. Perhaps you have never seen my posts and threads on Cuba. As I recently posted on the Alternate History thread and other related threads. At least under Batista their were not over 3 million Cuban exiles all over the world, no Cuban Balsero Rafters on anything that floats across 90 miles of shark infested waters, no reeducation camps for political prisoners, catholic priests, protestant pastors and gays as their were under Fidel and Raúl. No matter what video links and true personal stories I share to the extent that I can about the real Cuba under Fidel and Raúl will change the minds of those who support, excuse and or deny the nature of the Cuban regime.

But like I always say, I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong on any issues including on my pet issue of Cuba on NS, for obvious reasons as a native Cuban and American citizen. I just argue my views on all issues and leave it at that.


I don't believe the Fidel castro Cuba is a utopia. I'm just saying America wouldn't make it much better and it really isn't our problem anyways.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon May 25, 2020 3:10 pm

Grunstrandr wrote:Already planning on voting for him.

I'd prefer if he made more progress on building a wall than the current 200 miles at the moment.

but I'm pleased that we're 4 years into a presidency without invading some new third world country for the first time in over 30 years

still can't complain since there's no better alternative.
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