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Which of these will we primarily discuss in the future?

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-What if Alexander the Great lived to old age?
24
25%
-What if Britain and its allies completely won the War of the Spanish Succession?
4
4%
-What if France and its allies completely won the War of the Spanish Succession?
1
1%
-What if America lost the Revolutionary war?
10
10%
-What if the CSA won the Civil War(and got all slave-holding states and D.C.)?
9
9%
-What if Anime was made in the USSR?
33
34%
-What if America collapsed?
15
16%
 
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Postby Auslus » Tue May 26, 2020 5:32 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:What if Imperial Japan didn't bomb Pearl Harbor?

If it didn't for some reason, I believe they had enough oil to last them 18 months in 1941. That means they could've been undisturbed by America in conqering China. They would have to make peace with the British, however. In the end, we would have a three way cold war between America, the USSR, and Japan.

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Literally the plot of Red Alert 3.

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Postby Harmonic Empire » Tue May 26, 2020 5:33 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:What if Imperial Japan didn't bomb Pearl Harbor?

If it didn't for some reason, I believe they had enough oil to last them 18 months in 1941. That means they could've been undisturbed by America in conqering China. They would have to make peace with the British, however. In the end, we would have a three way cold war between America, the USSR, and Japan.

Wait a minute... OH GOD PLEASE MODERATORS DON'T SHUT US DOWN!


America. Still. Invade
No matter what, they want excuse for war.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 5:35 pm

Harmonic Empire wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:If it didn't for some reason, I believe they had enough oil to last them 18 months in 1941. That means they could've been undisturbed by America in conqering China. They would have to make peace with the British, however. In the end, we would have a three way cold war between America, the USSR, and Japan.

Wait a minute... OH GOD PLEASE MODERATORS DON'T SHUT US DOWN!


America. Still. Invade
No matter what, they want excuse for war.

With Germany, yes, but with Japan, America only had a problem if it invaded. If Japan gambled, America wouldn't care. Even after Japan entered the war, fought America brutally for 3 years, and lost, America didn't take anything from it.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue May 26, 2020 5:37 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:What if Imperial Japan didn't bomb Pearl Harbor?


Roosevelt botches some stupid plan to have the U.S. enter in World War II without being the one to be the aggressor against Germany. The anti-war public doesn't it buy it and throws him out in 1944.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 5:39 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:What if Imperial Japan didn't bomb Pearl Harbor?


Roosevelt botches some stupid plan to have the U.S. enter in World War II without being the one to be the aggressor against Germany. The anti-war public doesn't it buy it and throws him out in 1944.

So the three way cold kerfufle still happens?
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Tue May 26, 2020 5:47 pm

Harmonic Empire wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:If it didn't for some reason, I believe they had enough oil to last them 18 months in 1941. That means they could've been undisturbed by America in conqering China. They would have to make peace with the British, however. In the end, we would have a three way cold war between America, the USSR, and Japan.

Wait a minute... OH GOD PLEASE MODERATORS DON'T SHUT US DOWN!


America. Still. Invade
No matter what, they want excuse for war.

The US population was way too anti-war. Roosevelt would get his ass removed if he got into the war without a direct attack on us
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 6:06 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Harmonic Empire wrote:
America. Still. Invade
No matter what, they want excuse for war.

The US population was way too anti-war. Roosevelt would get his ass removed if he got into the war without a direct attack on us

Thank you for agreeing with me. On anoher note, you did see my apology, right?
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Postby La Xinga » Tue May 26, 2020 6:09 pm

What is the temple was never destroyed?

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Postby Harmonic Empire » Tue May 26, 2020 6:09 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Harmonic Empire wrote:
America. Still. Invade
No matter what, they want excuse for war.

The US population was way too anti-war. Roosevelt would get his ass removed if he got into the war without a direct attack on us

Wait until Germany sink lots of transport ships while America still neutral, fresh casus belli right there.
America no matter what alternate history universe, they will maniacally beat Germany then Japan later.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 6:11 pm

Harmonic Empire wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:The US population was way too anti-war. Roosevelt would get his ass removed if he got into the war without a direct attack on us

Wait until Germany sink lots of transport ships while America still neutral, fresh casus belli right there.
America no matter what alternate history universe, they will maniacally beat Germany then Japan later.

The Germans yes. The Japanese no. Not unless Japan attacks America. But by 1942, I suspect that due to America not fighting them, Japan would already be nearly finished with China.
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Postby Harmonic Empire » Tue May 26, 2020 6:19 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Harmonic Empire wrote:Wait until Germany sink lots of transport ships while America still neutral, fresh casus belli right there.
America no matter what alternate history universe, they will maniacally beat Germany then Japan later.

The Germans yes. The Japanese no. Not unless Japan attacks America. But by 1942, I suspect that due to America not fighting them, Japan would already be nearly finished with China.

Implying Japan can beat China while they are pretty much bogged down with shit economy especially after they almost went bankrupt due Yamato battleships.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 6:23 pm

Harmonic Empire wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:The Germans yes. The Japanese no. Not unless Japan attacks America. But by 1942, I suspect that due to America not fighting them, Japan would already be nearly finished with China.

Implying Japan can beat China while they are pretty much bogged down with shit economy especially after they almost went bankrupt due Yamato battleships.

I'm sorry, I'm not really familiar with Yamato ships. Were they made after or before the war with America.

On a second thought, there is a pretty considerable possibility Japan would've attacked America if they declared war on Germany. The fact Tojo wanted total war would probably do that.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 6:24 pm

La xinga wrote:What is the temple was never destroyed?

What temple?
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Postby La Xinga » Tue May 26, 2020 6:25 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
La xinga wrote:What is the temple was never destroyed?

What temple?

In Israel.

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 6:26 pm

La xinga wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:What temple?

In Israel.

Um... could you be more specific?
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Postby La Xinga » Tue May 26, 2020 6:27 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
La xinga wrote:In Israel.

Um... could you be more specific.

The Temple Mount? In the kingdom of Israel/Judah.

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Postby Harmonic Empire » Tue May 26, 2020 6:27 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Harmonic Empire wrote:Implying Japan can beat China while they are pretty much bogged down with shit economy especially after they almost went bankrupt due Yamato battleships.

I'm sorry, I'm not really familiar with Yamato ships. Were they made after or before the war with America.

On a second thought, there is a pretty considerable possibility Japan would've attacked America if they declared war on Germany. The fact Tojo wanted total war would probably do that.

Made before America join the war; economy and resource all went to Navy instead Army.
We all know Tojo is big retard. He will always ruin the entire country.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 6:30 pm

La xinga wrote:The Temple Mount? In the kingdom of Israel/Judah.

If you mean the Second One, I don't knwo much about it's historyu. However, I will make an educated guess that it could've possibly inspired the Jews to drive the Romans out of Israel.
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Postby La Xinga » Tue May 26, 2020 6:32 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
La xinga wrote:The Temple Mount? In the kingdom of Israel/Judah.

If you mean the Second One, I don't knwo much about it's historyu. However, I will make an educated guess that it could've possibly inspired the Jews to drive the Romans out of Israel.

That sounds fun, but what about the first 1?

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 6:34 pm

Harmonic Empire wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I'm sorry, I'm not really familiar with Yamato ships. Were they made after or before the war with America.

On a second thought, there is a pretty considerable possibility Japan would've attacked America if they declared war on Germany. The fact Tojo wanted total war would probably do that.

Made before America join the war; economy and resource all went to Navy instead Army.
We all know Tojo is big retard. He will always ruin the entire country.

I guess it makes sense, since Tojo relied on navy support(I think).

However, even when they were fighting the American sand Chinese, it took years to drive them out, and they still held a lot of land by August 1945.

Third, I think we can both agree on Tojo. However, it's "He always ruined the entire country" since he is dead.

In fact, this discussion inspired in me another question: What if the Showa Restoration succeeded?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 6:34 pm

La xinga wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:If you mean the Second One, I don't knwo much about it's historyu. However, I will make an educated guess that it could've possibly inspired the Jews to drive the Romans out of Israel.

That sounds fun, but what about the first 1?

I thought there are no records of the first one.
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Postby Kathol Rift » Tue May 26, 2020 6:35 pm

What if the Library of Alexandria never burned down?
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 6:38 pm

Kathol Rift wrote:What if the Library of Alexandria never burned down?

Not much. The library either wasn't completely destroyed or was rebuilt. So not much would change. The chance Ceasar wouldn't get stabbed is still low.
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Postby Harmonic Empire » Tue May 26, 2020 6:52 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Harmonic Empire wrote:Made before America join the war; economy and resource all went to Navy instead Army.
We all know Tojo is big retard. He will always ruin the entire country.

I guess it makes sense, since Tojo relied on navy support(I think).

However, even when they were fighting the American sand Chinese, it took years to drive them out, and they still held a lot of land by August 1945.

Third, I think we can both agree on Tojo. However, it's "He always ruined the entire country" since he is dead.

In fact, this discussion inspired in me another question: What if the Showa Restoration succeeded?

Well you still get "Im hungry for resource, fuck League of Nations."
There are too many what if in this part but i think
As always they will invade Machuria-China and maybe perhaps glaring to South East Asia.

Military funding probably still leaning toward Navy since they are pretty much island country.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue May 26, 2020 7:00 pm

Harmonic Empire wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I guess it makes sense, since Tojo relied on navy support(I think).

However, even when they were fighting the American sand Chinese, it took years to drive them out, and they still held a lot of land by August 1945.

Third, I think we can both agree on Tojo. However, it's "He always ruined the entire country" since he is dead.

In fact, this discussion inspired in me another question: What if the Showa Restoration succeeded?

Well you still get "Im hungry for resource, fuck League of Nations."
There are too many what if in this part but i think
As always they will invade Machuria-China and maybe perhaps glaring to South East Asia.

Military funding probably still leaning toward Navy since they are pretty much island country.

Are you talking about the Showa Restoration timeline?
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