Alternate History Thread(CLOSED)

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Alright, but know it probably wouldn't be.

I am not offended, but why do you have too win the argument that it probably wouldn't be as I describe on my alternate history timeline. Contrary to popular belief Cuba was the most or one of the most prosperous nations of Latin America at the time. More prosperous in certain statistics than España La Madre Patria and a few European nations.

I wouldn't call what we had an argument. Let's just agree to disagree on it's system of government and agree it would be prosperous economically.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Darn it why is three getting no votes?

[Greater Miami Shores]

I am not offended, but why do you have too win the argument that it probably wouldn't be as I describe on my alternate history timeline. Contrary to popular belief Cuba was the most or one of the most prosperous nations of Latin America at the time. More prosperous in certain statistics than España La Madre Patria and a few European nations.

I wouldn't call what we had an argument. Let's just agree to disagree on it's system of government and agree it would be prosperous economically.

Ok and thank you for saying it would be prosperous economically, which is my main point, subject dropped. Later on I have other alternate history's I would like to post that have nothing to do with my native Cuba.

[Kargintina the Third]

What if Trotsky succeeded Lenin instead of Stalin?

[Feyrisshire]

Soviet anime would be like Hayao Miyazaki's Grave of the Fireflies but instead of Hiroshima, we get life in Nazi-occupied Russia. I'd imagine it would be more grounded and more political. Miyazaki was a Marxist so I think he would be making Ghibli films from a flat in Moscow.

Exactly! Hayao Miyazaki was a Communist and was the chairman of the animators' union or something like that. He is still a leftist today though and he still hates Shinzo Abe and the US.

In an alternate history where Soviet influence in Japan increased or Hayao Miyazaki veered more towards Marxist-Leninism than in RL, sort of becoming like the Paul Robeson of Japanese anime and manga, I can imagine him cooperating or influencing Soviet animators much like how Osamu Tezuka was influenced by Disney in OTL.

Darn it why is three getting no votes?

Probably because while the War of the Spanish Succession might be interesting, it is niche to most and the 17th-18th centuries, excluding the American War of Indepence are probably one of the most niche history eras especially to Americans.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Probably because while the War of the Spanish Succession might be interesting, it is niche to most and the 17th-18th centuries, excluding the American War of Indepence are probably one of the most niche history eras especially to Americans.

I guess you're right.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

What if Trotsky succeeded Lenin instead of Stalin?

I'm not to familiar with this topic, but when Trotsky said world revolution, did he mean he would cause it by war or by covert opeartions(i.e. coups, revolts, civil wars, etc.)

[Feyrisshire]

I'm not to familiar with this topic, but when Trotsky said world revolution, did he mean he would cause it by war or by covert opeartions(i.e. coups, revolts, civil wars, etc.)

I'm not sure that this would be an important distinction, as Trotsky's "world revolution" was not about whether he would cause it by direct war or covert means but the idea that the USSR would not survive as a socialist state without successful socialist revolutions in neighboring European countries contrary to Stalin's "Socialism in One Country".

Probably both, as the USSR tried to export revolutions either through direct conquest as in the Eastern Bloc, or more indirect support, like in Third World countries such as Cuba during the Cold War.

[The Blaatschapen]

Darn it why is three getting no votes?

Because I shudder to live in such an AR. I'd be speaking French

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I'm not to familiar with this topic, but when Trotsky said world revolution, did he mean he would cause it by war or by covert opeartions(i.e. coups, revolts, civil wars, etc.)

I'm not sure that this would be an important distinction, as Trotsky's "world revolution" was not about whether he would cause it by direct war or covert means but the idea that the USSR would not survive as a socialist state without successful socialist revolutions in neighboring European countries contrary to Stalin's "Socialism in One Country".

Probably both, as the USSR tried to export revolutions either through direct conquest as in the Eastern Bloc, or more indirect support, like in Third World countries such as Cuba during the Cold War.

So how long until a revolution happens in Germany or the USSR fights them? Also, would he likely integrate his puppets into the USSR or keep them as nominally sovereign nations?

Darn it why is three getting no votes?

Because I shudder to live in such an AR. I'd be speaking French

Are you Spanish or are you from the Americas? Also, are you sure the French would even annex Spain fully(instead of just a personal union), let alone make French mandatory?

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Britain would probably have let them go like they let all the others go (except northern ireland and Bermuda). They allowed Canada to become a dominion in the 1800s and these days Canada is independent. Likely America would have been granted independence in the 1800s sometime and would be a commonwealth country today. I doubt we would still be under British rule.

So if the United States became a Commonwealth would it still reach superpower status in the 21st Century?

In both my and his assumptions, AMerica would not be a superpower.

Even if Britain let the Americas go as a completely independent nation(besides a possibility of a common monarch), it would have Still plundered Americas resources for hundreds of years, and enforced those taxes. Additionally, they may not venture into Spanish/Mexican Territory, and Almsot definitely wouldn't Purchase Alaska from Russia. Also, people from America could possibly emigrate to other parts of the empire, which would likely see India and Pakistan become more anglicized and possibly keeping Elizabeth II as a Monarch. Even though America would likely Include Canada, there's barely anyone living there and timber doesn't do much, so America would likely be a great power.

And in my timeline? America would be a British Protectorate, so they wouldn't even be a country, and as such not a superpower.

[The Blaatschapen]

I'm not sure that this would be an important distinction, as Trotsky's "world revolution" was not about whether he would cause it by direct war or covert means but the idea that the USSR would not survive as a socialist state without successful socialist revolutions in neighboring European countries contrary to Stalin's "Socialism in One Country".

Probably both, as the USSR tried to export revolutions either through direct conquest as in the Eastern Bloc, or more indirect support, like in Third World countries such as Cuba during the Cold War.

So how long until a revolution happens in Germany or the USSR fights them? Also, would he likely integrate his puppets into the USSR or keep them as nominally sovereign nations?

Because I shudder to live in such an AR. I'd be speaking French

Are you Spanish or are you from the Americas? Also, are you sure the French would even annex Spain fully(instead of just a personal union), let alone make French mandatory?

No, but Spain owned the Southern Netherlands (Belgium) at the time. I am quite sure that a France-Spain union would trade out territories there. And given that the union would already upset the balance of Europe, and that France was back then adamant on getting natural borders (ie. the Rhine), people in the south of modern NL, and the German Rhineland would see itself annexed to France eventually. For a prolonged period of time. And if then the French revolution still happens, it will bring about the frenchification of the area.

[Galloism]

I like the Alexander the Great one. If he had never died, by this point, we would have captured him for science.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

So how long until a revolution happens in Germany or the USSR fights them? Also, would he likely integrate his puppets into the USSR or keep them as nominally sovereign nations?



Are you Spanish or are you from the Americas? Also, are you sure the French would even annex Spain fully(instead of just a personal union), let alone make French mandatory?

No, but Spain owned the Southern Netherlands (Belgium) at the time. I am quite sure that a France-Spain union would trade out territories there. And given that the union would already upset the balance of Europe, and that France was back then adamant on getting natural borders (ie. the Rhine), people in the south of modern NL, and the German Rhineland would see itself annexed to France eventually. For a prolonged period of time. And if then the French revolution still happens, it will bring about the frenchification of the area.

Well, the French revolution probably wouldn't happen. The Louis dynasty would be seen as a successful force that brought France to Greatness. That along with no revolutionary war debt, the new colonies, and Louis XVI's father possibly not dying would have let the Kingdom of France to survive for a long time.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I like the Alexander the Great one. If he had never died, by this point, we would have captured him for science.

Oh, yes. I'll correct that to "what if ALexander the Great lived longer?"

[Galloism]

I like the Alexander the Great one. If he had never died, by this point, we would have captured him for science.

Oh, yes. I'll correct that to "what if ALexander the Great lived longer?"

But my version is better....

[The Huskar Social Union]

Tig biddy soviet anime waifus seriously

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Oh, yes. I'll correct that to "what if ALexander the Great lived longer?"

But my version is better....

Then I don;t know, vote for the next funniest suggestion.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Tig biddy soviet anime waifus seriously

I guess vote for something else

[The Huskar Social Union]

Tig biddy soviet anime waifus seriously

I guess vote for something else

No that means i support such a thing.

[Major-Tom]

Quebec came so close to becoming independent about 25 odd years ago, would be interesting to have seen the results of that. Ditto goes for the Scottish independence vote, though that wasn't nearly as close.

Independence movements are my favorite Alt-History "categories" so to speak.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Somehow by a miracle The Confederate States of America win all the major battles of the civil war winning its independence. Southern Illinois and the Pro Union border slave states join the confederacy:

01 South Carolina
02 Mississippi
03 Florida
04 Alabama
05 Georgia
06 Louisiana
07 Kansas
08 Texas
09 Virginia
10 Arkansas
11 Tennessee
12 North Carolina
13 Oklahoma Indian Territory.
14 Missouri
15 Kentucky
16 Delaware
17 New Mexico Territory.
18 Arizona
19 Maryland
20 Washington DC.

The USA government buys vacant land in Pennsylvania where they recreate The White House and name it Washington DC. President Lincoln never gets assassinated, or blamed for loosing the war, still popular finishes his second term in office a popular President. Immigration to and from the USA and the CSA occurs. Eventually slavery and segregation are abolished in the CSA.

The USA and the CSA fight side by side in world war 1 and 2 against the central powers, Hitler, Nazi Germany and the axis.

Governor Huey P Long of Louisiana never gets assassinated.

Democrat President FDR serves as President of the USA during world war 2. Democrat Governor of Louisiana Huey P Long serves as President of the CSA during world war 2, with his Vice President Senator Hattie Ophelia Wyatt Caraway, of Arkansas, the first Lady Vice President of the CSA.

As Southern Illinois joined the Confederacy, Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H Bush and George W Bush served as Presidents of the CSA. President Trump serves as a Popular two five years term President of the CSA since he has Florida residencies at his Mar A Lago and Doral Country Club golf resorts. Marco Rubio serves as President Trump's Vice President.

President Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz will serve as Popular two five year terms as President and Vice Presidents.

A few Popular two five year terms Presidents of the Confederate States of America, The CSA:

Democrat President Jefferson Davis.
Democrat President Robert E Lee.

Democrat President Huey P Long of Louisiana.
Vice President Hattie Ophelia Wyatt Caraway.
The CSA's first Lady Vice President.

Except for unpopular one term Democrat President Jimmy Carter.

Republican President Ronald Reagan.
Vice President George H Bush.

Republican President George W Bush.
Republican Vice President Jeb Bush.

Democrat President Bill Clinton.

Republican President Jeb Bush.
Republican Vice President Marco Rubio.

Republican President Marco Rubio.
Republican Vice President Ted Cruz.

Republican President Ted Cruz.

Their is no requirement that a President and Vice President of the CSA have to be from different states.

The Democratic Multi Political Party Capitalist Republic of The Confederate States of America, CSA on my alternate History timeline.

[Stellar Colonies]

Somehow by a miracle The Confederate States of America win all the major battles of the civil war winning its independence. Southern Illinois and the Pro Union border slave states join the confederacy:

01 South Carolina
02 Mississippi
03 Florida
04 Alabama
05 Georgia
06 Louisiana
07 Kansas
08 Texas
09 Virginia
10 Arkansas
11 Tennessee
12 North Carolina
13 Oklahoma Indian Territory.
14 Missouri
15 Kentucky
16 Delaware
17 New Mexico Territory.
18 Arizona
19 Maryland
20 Washington DC.

The USA government buys vacant land in Pennsylvania where they recreate The White House and name it Washington DC. President Lincoln never gets assassinated, or blamed for loosing the war, still popular finishes his second term in office a popular President. Immigration to and from the USA and the CSA occurs. Eventually slavery and segregation are abolished in the CSA.

The USA and the CSA fight side by side in world war 1 and 2 against the central powers, Hitler, Nazi Germany and the axis.

Democrat President FDR serves as President of the USA during world war 2. Democrat Governor of Louisiana Huey P Long serves as President of the CSA during world war 2, with his Vice President Senator Hattie Ophelia Wyatt Caraway, of Arkansas, the first Lady Vice President of the CSA.

As Southern Illinois joined the Confederacy, Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H Bush and George W Bush served as Presidents of the CSA. President Trump serves as a Popular two five years term President of the CSA since he has Florida residencies at his Mar A Lago and Doral Country Club golf resorts. Marco Rubio serves as President Trump's Vice President.

President Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz will serve as Popular two five year terms as President and Vice Presidents.

A few Popular two five year terms Presidents of the Confederate States of America, The CSA:

Democrat President Jefferson Davis.
Democrat President Robert E Lee.

Democrat President Huey P Long of Louisiana.
Vice President Hattie Ophelia Wyatt Caraway.

Except for unpopular one term Democrat President Jimmy Carter.

Republican President Ronald Reagan.
Vice President George H Bush.

Republican President George H Bush.

Republican President Marco Rubio.
Vice President Ted Cruz.

Republican President Ted Cruz.

The Democratic Multi Political Party Capitalist Republic of The Confederate States of America, CSA on my alternate History timeline.

If the CSA won the Civil War, it is very unlikely that a lot of those politicians would exist.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Somehow by a miracle The Confederate States of America win all the major battles of the civil war winning its independence. Southern Illinois and the Pro Union border slave states join the confederacy:

01 South Carolina
02 Mississippi
03 Florida
04 Alabama
05 Georgia
06 Louisiana
07 Kansas
08 Texas
09 Virginia
10 Arkansas
11 Tennessee
12 North Carolina
13 Oklahoma Indian Territory.
14 Missouri
15 Kentucky
16 Delaware
17 New Mexico Territory.
18 Arizona
19 Maryland
20 Washington DC.

The USA government buys vacant land in Pennsylvania where they recreate The White House and name it Washington DC. President Lincoln never gets assassinated, or blamed for loosing the war, still popular finishes his second term in office a popular President. Immigration to and from the USA and the CSA occurs. Eventually slavery and segregation are abolished in the CSA.

The USA and the CSA fight side by side in world war 1 and 2 against the central powers, Hitler, Nazi Germany and the axis.

Democrat President FDR serves as President of the USA during world war 2. Democrat Governor of Louisiana Huey P Long serves as President of the CSA during world war 2, with his Vice President Senator Hattie Ophelia Wyatt Caraway, of Arkansas, the first Lady Vice President of the CSA.

As Southern Illinois joined the Confederacy, Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H Bush and George W Bush served as Presidents of the CSA. President Trump serves as a Popular two five years term President of the CSA since he has Florida residencies at his Mar A Lago and Doral Country Club golf resorts. Marco Rubio serves as President Trump's Vice President.

President Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz will serve as Popular two five year terms as President and Vice Presidents.

A few Popular two five year terms Presidents of the Confederate States of America, The CSA:

Democrat President Jefferson Davis.
Democrat President Robert E Lee.

Democrat President Huey P Long of Louisiana.
Vice President Hattie Ophelia Wyatt Caraway.

Except for unpopular one term Democrat President Jimmy Carter.

Republican President Ronald Reagan.
Vice President George H Bush.

Republican President George H Bush.

Republican President Marco Rubio.
Vice President Ted Cruz.

Republican President Ted Cruz.

The Democratic Multi Political Party Capitalist Republic of The Confederate States of America, CSA on my alternate History timeline.

If the CSA won the Civil War, it is very unlikely that a lot of those politicians would exist.

Here we go again. They would exist, and I also stated immigration to an from the USA and the CSA occurred. They would also exist because it is my alternate History timeline.

[Cisairse]

The alt. timeline that I am most interested in is the timeline where William Jennings Bryan won the 1908 presidential election.