Belgium bans the burqa.

[Heinleinites]

I'm surprised they went through with it. I figured if anyone was going to waffle on this, it'd be Belgians.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Europe, supposed to be a place of progression.

Sadly progression has been halted by irrational human fear.
I can see some reason why it would be banned but all those reasons are notgood enough.

I could understand if every Muslim started wearing the burqa, but only thirty women!?!
This law is laughable.

[Scarsaw]

I want to know why I didn't hear this coming. France've been discussing for ages, but Belgium ... where has this appeared from?!

It's like the Swiss and their attempt to ban minarets....it's always the odd ones that jump onto this scary nationalist trend.


Remember for more security...the black sheep is kicked out

[Volnotov]

I would see no problem in the deportation of Muslims and Jews.

I have read the Bible and the Quran. I know what I am talking about.

Yes, but apparently you haven't read a history book as you have no clue what you're talking about. Hitler tried the deportation of Jews, but found you can't mass deport a nation of people because there is no country that will take them. Countries will only take people of their citizenship, not nationality, and so when deportation fails...Himmler turned to the final solution; as you can always deport people to death.

I see a problem in the deportation of Muslims and Jews.

I have read a history book. I know what I am talking about.

I have read history books too, I love documentries about history, I love articles about history and I love to watch programs about history.
Don't assume I know nothing about history.

[Scarsaw]

I have read history books too, I love documentries about history, I love articles about history and I love to watch programs about history.
Don't assume I know nothing about history.

I will continue to assume you know nothing of history until you start using some of your knowledge gained by reading history books.

[The Alma Mater]

I want to know why I didn't hear this coming. France've been discussing for ages, but Belgium ... where has this appeared from?!

Been in the works since.. 2006 or so... IIRC

[Volnotov]

I have read history books too, I love documentries about history, I love articles about history and I love to watch programs about history.
Don't assume I know nothing about history.

I will continue to assume you know nothing of history until you start using some of your knowledge gained by reading history books.

What? Please elaborate? Just because I have a problem with the Jewish and Islamic ideology just like I have with Nazism, Fascism and Communism means I know nothing about history and do not use knowledge, logic and reason?

[Central Slavia]

I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.

Enjoy being the liberal cancer that is destroying Europe.

Belgians don't hate Freedom, and are not bigoted either. Same goes for the Dutch.

Is it liberals or evil foreign muslims who are killing Europe? Make your mind up.

I wonder if a ban on the wearing of the Yarmulke would be seen as acceptable.

Both. However i have yet to see a liberal riot - they are too busy sitting in coffeeshops arguing about "intelectual" topics

[Genyria]

I want to know why I didn't hear this coming. France've been discussing for ages, but Belgium ... where has this appeared from?!

Been in the works since.. 2006 or so... IIRC

Really?

Oh yes, I remember. The British media doesn't care about Belgium.

[Cappadokhia]

Congratulations, Belgium, on making moral relativists turn blue in the face!

The burqa ban is not about what a woman chooses to wear. That is a fallacious argument. Yes, women are the ones who wear a burqa, but how many women actually choose to wear it? How many women are forced to wear it by their husbands or family members? Furthermore, people are only banned from fully covering their face; Islamic women may still wear the hijab, which is the most prevalent of Islamic women's headcoverings.

As for banning a yarmulke? That is a non-argument. The restriction placed in law is that of covering the face, not banning a total ban on Islamic religious symbols. You need to look to France for that law. Simply stated, Belgium is looking out for its own security and cultural interests. Covering the face in public is detrimental in the case that someone is involved as the victim or perpetrator of a crime.

Also, for all of you claiming xenophobia and that Europe is heading back into the 1930s all over again, consider that if Europe continues down its current path it will become like the latter days of Rome. Unfiltered acceptance without required naturalization and adaptation of all people, ideas, and culture eventually replaces the native culture. For those of you who slept through history class or bought into the multi-cultural myth, this is not a good thing unless you want your nation to implode. The Islamic invasion of Europe did not end with Charles Martel; it simply changed form to immigration. In the West, we see very little of what is viewed in the Middle East or Islamic World; try watching a few clips on http://www.memritv.org. No, I do not think that all Muslims think or act this way, but I do think that it should give you pause that this is in the mainstream media of that particular culture and be concerned for those within the culture who do not agree with the propaganda.

Why I thought that type of ideology and imperialism was repugnant to you anti-xenophobia, anti-imperialism people. . .

[Non Aligned States]

Has anyone entertained the thought that maybe, just maybe, the women who do wear a burqa out of social and cultural pressures will keep doing so because their families demand it? And that the absolute idiocy of banning it only puts them in a no-lose situation of either going to jail or being attacked/cut of by their families?

A bit like targeting the victim. Now where have I heard that before? Oh yes, from the "She was asking to be raped" crowd.

Bet that never crossed the mind of all you people in favor of the ban.

[Post-Unity Terra]

I have read history books too, I love documentries about history, I love articles about history and I love to watch programs about history.
Don't assume I know nothing about history.

I will continue to assume you know nothing of history until you start using some of your knowledge gained by reading history books.

Well, he knows enough to find something that looks just enough like a swastika to be questionable (I fully expect to hear 'ITS A TRISKELION AND THE RESEMBLANCE TO A SWASTIKA AND MY DISDAIN FOR MUSLIMS AND JEWSS IS A COINCIDENCE') and different enough to avoid mod action.

[Aggicificicerous]

This whole matter is fairly clear-cut. Belgium cares deeply about the rights and freedoms of women, so much in fact that it is legislating what they can and cannot wear. Simple.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.

Enjoy being the liberal cancer that is destroying Europe.

Belgians don't hate Freedom, and are not bigoted either. Same goes for the Dutch.

Is it liberals or evil foreign muslims who are killing Europe? Make your mind up.

I wonder if a ban on the wearing of the Yarmulke would be seen as acceptable.

It doesn't cover the face, so no.

[Cappadokhia]

Has anyone entertained the thought that maybe, just maybe, the women who do wear a burqa out of social and cultural pressures will keep doing so because their families demand it? And that the absolute idiocy of banning it only puts them in a no-lose situation of either going to jail or being attacked/cut of by their families?

A bit like targeting the victim. Now where have I heard that before? Oh yes, from the "She was asking to be raped" crowd.

Bet that never crossed the mind of all you people in favor of the ban.

It actually has. However, should the people of Belgium also bow down to the same pressures? Perhaps instead of saying this is a lose-lose situation for the woman, have you considered that this could be a deterrent against more radical forms of Islam that inherently discriminate and debase women? Perhaps Belgium could become a haven for women trying to escape this form of abuse if it backbone grows a bit more.

[Post-Unity Terra]

I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.

Enjoy being the liberal cancer that is destroying Europe.

Belgians don't hate Freedom, and are not bigoted either. Same goes for the Dutch.

Is it liberals or evil foreign muslims who are killing Europe? Make your mind up.

I wonder if a ban on the wearing of the Yarmulke would be seen as acceptable.

It doesn't cover the face, so no.

Taking the ban at face value (dohohohoho), eh? That's very optimistic of you.

[Scarsaw]

I have read history books too, I love documentries about history, I love articles about history and I love to watch programs about history.
Don't assume I know nothing about history.

I will continue to assume you know nothing of history until you start using some of your knowledge gained by reading history books.

What? Please elaborate? Just because I have a problem with the Jewish and Islamic ideology just like I have with Nazism, Fascism and Communism means I know nothing about history and do not use knowledge, logic and reason?

The fact that you seem unaware of the consequences (mass murder) of attempting to deport a large group of people, despite the fact that it has been repeated several times in history, makes me question your knowledge of history. I can claim to have read every book in the world, however, if I do not use that knowledge than I do not bring much validity to my claim.

[Scarsaw]

I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.

Enjoy being the liberal cancer that is destroying Europe.

Belgians don't hate Freedom, and are not bigoted either. Same goes for the Dutch.

Is it liberals or evil foreign muslims who are killing Europe? Make your mind up.

I wonder if a ban on the wearing of the Yarmulke would be seen as acceptable.

It doesn't cover the face, so no.

But balaclavas and scarves are banned! Thank God this isn't Winterpeg, or else you would have riots in the streets.

[Volnotov]

I have read history books too, I love documentries about history, I love articles about history and I love to watch programs about history.
Don't assume I know nothing about history.

I will continue to assume you know nothing of history until you start using some of your knowledge gained by reading history books.

What? Please elaborate? Just because I have a problem with the Jewish and Islamic ideology just like I have with Nazism, Fascism and Communism means I know nothing about history and do not use knowledge, logic and reason?

The fact that you seem unaware of the consequences (mass murder) of attempting to deport a large group of people, despite the fact that it has been repeated several times in history, makes me question your knowledge of history. I can claim to have read every book in the world, however, if I do not use that knowledge than I do not bring much validity to my claim.

Who says I support the ethnic genocide of the Jews?

Wow, just wow.

[Post-Unity Terra]

I have read history books too, I love documentries about history, I love articles about history and I love to watch programs about history.
Don't assume I know nothing about history.

I will continue to assume you know nothing of history until you start using some of your knowledge gained by reading history books.

What? Please elaborate? Just because I have a problem with the Jewish and Islamic ideology just like I have with Nazism, Fascism and Communism means I know nothing about history and do not use knowledge, logic and reason?

The fact that you seem unaware of the consequences (mass murder) of attempting to deport a large group of people, despite the fact that it has been repeated several times in history, makes me question your knowledge of history. I can claim to have read every book in the world, however, if I do not use that knowledge than I do not bring much validity to my claim.

Who says I support the ethnic genocide of the Jews?

Wow, just wow.

Deporting them en masse would be ethnic cleansing. I'm not sure what 'ethnic genocide' is supposed to mean.

[Tekania]

Has anyone entertained the thought that maybe, just maybe, the women who do wear a burqa out of social and cultural pressures will keep doing so because their families demand it? And that the absolute idiocy of banning it only puts them in a no-lose situation of either going to jail or being attacked/cut of by their families?

A bit like targeting the victim. Now where have I heard that before? Oh yes, from the "She was asking to be raped" crowd.

Bet that never crossed the mind of all you people in favor of the ban.

It actually has. However, should the people of Belgium also bow down to the same pressures? Perhaps instead of saying this is a lose-lose situation for the woman, have you considered that this could be a deterrent against more radical forms of Islam that inherently discriminate and debase women? Perhaps Belgium could become a haven for women trying to escape this form of abuse if it backbone grows a bit more.

B****** can become the next haven for a fascist dictator.

[The Alma Mater]

Has anyone entertained the thought that maybe, just maybe, the women who do wear a burqa out of social and cultural pressures will keep doing so because their families demand it? And that the absolute idiocy of banning it only puts them in a no-lose situation of either going to jail or being attacked/cut of by their families?

Considering about 30 people in the whole of Belgium wear the thing one assumes the peer pressure is not that great.

[Cappadokhia]

Has anyone entertained the thought that maybe, just maybe, the women who do wear a burqa out of social and cultural pressures will keep doing so because their families demand it? And that the absolute idiocy of banning it only puts them in a no-lose situation of either going to jail or being attacked/cut of by their families?

A bit like targeting the victim. Now where have I heard that before? Oh yes, from the "She was asking to be raped" crowd.

Bet that never crossed the mind of all you people in favor of the ban.

It actually has. However, should the people of Belgium also bow down to the same pressures? Perhaps instead of saying this is a lose-lose situation for the woman, have you considered that this could be a deterrent against more radical forms of Islam that inherently discriminate and debase women? Perhaps Belgium could become a haven for women trying to escape this form of abuse if it backbone grows a bit more.

B****** can become the next haven for a fascist dictator.

Anywhere can. But I think Iran actually beat Belgium to it.

[Tekania]

Has anyone entertained the thought that maybe, just maybe, the women who do wear a burqa out of social and cultural pressures will keep doing so because their families demand it? And that the absolute idiocy of banning it only puts them in a no-lose situation of either going to jail or being attacked/cut of by their families?

A bit like targeting the victim. Now where have I heard that before? Oh yes, from the "She was asking to be raped" crowd.

Bet that never crossed the mind of all you people in favor of the ban.

It actually has. However, should the people of Belgium also bow down to the same pressures? Perhaps instead of saying this is a lose-lose situation for the woman, have you considered that this could be a deterrent against more radical forms of Islam that inherently discriminate and debase women? Perhaps Belgium could become a haven for women trying to escape this form of abuse if it backbone grows a bit more.

B****** can become the next haven for a fascist dictator.

Anywhere can. But I think Iran actually beat Belgium to it.

I said "next". If something is already something then it can't be the "next" something.

[Scarsaw]

Who says I support the ethnic genocide of the Jews?

Wow, just wow.

It's a consequence of mass deportation of a people that has no where to deport to. Heck, even if they did have a place to deport to, the efforts and acts of the deportation will result in a lot of death as that's what happens when you forcibly transport a lot of people.