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Belgium bans the burqa.

Postby Sun Aut Ex » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:32 am

http://www.news.com.au/travel/world/bel ... 5860803117

BELGIUM became Europe's first country to vote for a ban on the full Islamic veil or burqa, sparking dismay today among Muslims and warnings of a dangerous precedent with France set to follow suit.

The bill, which also drew fire from human rights group Amnesty International, will not enter force for weeks and may have to be re-examined if early elections are called as Belgium battles a political crisis.

"We're the first country to spring the locks that have made a good number of women slaves, and we hope to be followed by France, Switzerland, Italy, and the Netherlands; countries that think,'' said Liberal Deputy Denis Ducarme.

In the lower house of the federal parliament yesterday, 136 deputies supported a nationwide ban on clothes or veils that do not allow the wearer to be fully identified, including the full-face niqab and burqa.

There were two abstentions. No one voted against.


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Postby Volnotov » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:33 am

Sun Aut Ex wrote:http://www.news.com.au/travel/world/belgium-bans-wearing-of-islamic-burqa-in-public/story-e6frfqai-1225860803117

BELGIUM became Europe's first country to vote for a ban on the full Islamic veil or burqa, sparking dismay today among Muslims and warnings of a dangerous precedent with France set to follow suit.

The bill, which also drew fire from human rights group Amnesty International, will not enter force for weeks and may have to be re-examined if early elections are called as Belgium battles a political crisis.

"We're the first country to spring the locks that have made a good number of women slaves, and we hope to be followed by France, Switzerland, Italy, and the Netherlands; countries that think,'' said Liberal Deputy Denis Ducarme.

In the lower house of the federal parliament yesterday, 136 deputies supported a nationwide ban on clothes or veils that do not allow the wearer to be fully identified, including the full-face niqab and burqa.

There were two abstentions. No one voted against.


That's good stuff.


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I congratulate our Belgian neighbours on this wise decission.
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Postby Kayliea » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:33 am

UK next please!

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:35 am

I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.
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Postby Post-Unity Terra » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:37 am

Oh goody, smug xenophobes have something new to masturbate to.

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Postby Volnotov » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:37 am

Ifreann wrote:I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.


Enjoy being the liberal cancer that is destroying Europe.

Belgians don't hate Freedom, and are not bigoted either. Same goes for the Dutch.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:38 am

Post-Unity Terra wrote:Oh goody, smug xenophobes have something new to masturbate to.

Someone get the mop.
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Postby Post-Unity Terra » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:38 am

Volnotov wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.


Enjoy being the liberal cancer that is destroying Europe.

Belgians don't hate Freedom, and are not bigoted either. Same goes for the Dutch.


Is it liberals or evil foreign muslims who are killing Europe? Make your mind up.

I wonder if a ban on the wearing of the Yarmulke would be seen as acceptable.
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Postby Hydesland » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:39 am

Post-Unity Terra wrote:
Volnotov wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.


Enjoy being the liberal cancer that is destroying Europe.

Belgians don't hate Freedom, and are not bigoted either. Same goes for the Dutch.


Is it liberals or evil foreign muslims who are killing Europe? Make your mind up.


Muslims are the killers, libruhls are the enablers. Get it right!

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Postby Karsol » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:39 am

The day when the freedom to wear what the damn hell you want is the day your freedom dies.
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Postby Hydesland » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:40 am

Karsol wrote:The day when the freedom to wear what the damn hell you want is the day your freedom dies.


To be fair though, for many young Muslim women, can you call the decision a legitimate choice? Or giving into religious/family pressure?

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Postby Ulu Turan » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:40 am

the cleanness and the faith are in the mind and the heart of a person, not in his/her clothing. Bravo!

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:41 am

Volnotov wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.


Enjoy being the liberal cancer that is destroying Europe.

If this Europe won't give women the freedom to dress as they choose, then I'm quite pleased to be the cancer that's killing it. I'll polish my dancing shoes, can someone point be to the burial plot?

Belgians don't hate Freedom, and are not bigoted either. Same goes for the Dutch.

I don't know about Belgians or the Dutch, but this law is blatantly anti-freedom, anti-Muslim and anti-woman. Die, oppressive bigoted Europe, die.
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Postby Hindopia » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:41 am

What is the legal basis for banning the burqa?
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Postby Karsol » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:41 am

Hydesland wrote:
Karsol wrote:The day when the freedom to wear what the damn hell you want is the day your freedom dies.


To be fair though, for many young Muslim women, can you call the decision a legitimate choice? Or giving into religious/family pressure?

True, but the source should be targeted, not the clothing itself.

I wouldn't mind wearing a burqa, must be cosy in the winter.
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Postby Post-Unity Terra » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:41 am

Karsol wrote:The day when the freedom to wear what the damn hell you want is the day your freedom dies.


Glass houses. If you are (as I seem to remember you saying at some point) from the UK, you can't just wear whatever you want.

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Postby Kayliea » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:42 am

Karsol wrote:The day when the freedom to wear what the damn hell you want is the day your freedom dies.


that doesn't exist. you can't wear something which will offend e.g. being nude or wearing profanity in a school classroom, etc.

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Postby Volnotov » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:42 am

Post-Unity Terra wrote:
Volnotov wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.


Enjoy being the liberal cancer that is destroying Europe.

Belgians don't hate Freedom, and are not bigoted either. Same goes for the Dutch.


Is it liberals or evil foreign muslims who are killing Europe? Make your mind up.

I wonder if a ban on the wearing of the Yarmulke would be seen as acceptable.


It is banning all kinds of face masks or things that cover the face in such a way that identification is impossible, including balaclavas.

Women can still wear headscarfs if they wan't, and I am perfectly fine with that. There was even a period in European history where most women were wearing headscarfs.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:43 am

Hindopia wrote:What is the legal basis for banning the burqa?

"Foreigners are icky" I suspect.


Post-Unity Terra wrote:
Karsol wrote:The day when the freedom to wear what the damn hell you want is the day your freedom dies.


Glass houses. If you are (as I seem to remember you saying at some point) from the UK, you can't just wear whatever you want.

Karsol =/= the UK


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Hydesland wrote:
Karsol wrote:The day when the freedom to wear what the damn hell you want is the day your freedom dies.


To be fair though, for many young Muslim women, can you call the decision a legitimate choice? Or giving into religious/family pressure?

True, but the source should be targeted, not the clothing itself.

I wouldn't mind wearing a burqa, must be cosy in the winter.

And cool in the summer. Otherwise there'd be about 7 women left alive in the Middle East.
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Postby Hydesland » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:44 am

Ifreann wrote:
Hindopia wrote:What is the legal basis for banning the burqa?

"Foreigners are icky" I suspect.


Unlikely, Belgium do not have that kind of party as far as I know.

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Postby Post-Unity Terra » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:45 am

Ifreann wrote:
Hindopia wrote:What is the legal basis for banning the burqa?

"Foreigners are icky" I suspect.


Post-Unity Terra wrote:
Karsol wrote:The day when the freedom to wear what the damn hell you want is the day your freedom dies.


Glass houses. If you are (as I seem to remember you saying at some point) from the UK, you can't just wear whatever you want.

Karsol =/= the UK


Karsol wrote:
Hydesland wrote:
Karsol wrote:The day when the freedom to wear what the damn hell you want is the day your freedom dies.


To be fair though, for many young Muslim women, can you call the decision a legitimate choice? Or giving into religious/family pressure?

True, but the source should be targeted, not the clothing itself.

I wouldn't mind wearing a burqa, must be cosy in the winter.

And cool in the summer. Otherwise there'd be about 7 women left alive in the Middle East.


I guess I was thinking of someone else then. EDM, maybe?
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Postby Tekania » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:45 am

Ifreann wrote:I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.


Bigotry and hatred runs through their veins.... There is a pretty heavy Nationalist mentality sweeping through Western Europe at the moment that has been building for years now... There's been one building over here in the US too, just it tends to target a different group.
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Postby Karsol » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:45 am

Kayliea wrote:
Karsol wrote:The day when the freedom to wear what the damn hell you want is the day your freedom dies.


that doesn't exist. you can't wear something which will offend e.g. being nude or wearing profanity in a school classroom, etc.


Which is why, when all forms of personal expression are legal, it should be legal to beat down someone who offends you or is wearing offensive slongans etc
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Postby Ulu Turan » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:45 am

Volnotov wrote:
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Volnotov wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I had never previously associated Belgium with bigotry or hatred of freedom. But there's a first time for everything.


Enjoy being the liberal cancer that is destroying Europe.

Belgians don't hate Freedom, and are not bigoted either. Same goes for the Dutch.


Is it liberals or evil foreign muslims who are killing Europe? Make your mind up.

I wonder if a ban on the wearing of the Yarmulke would be seen as acceptable.


It is banning all kinds of face masks or things that cover the face in such a way that identification is impossible, including balaclavas.

Women can still wear headscarfs if they wan't, and I am perfectly fine with that. There was even a period in European history where most women were wearing headscarfs.

but those scarves hve not been political manifestation, they have been just scarves

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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:46 am

In Saudi Arabia, Bibles are banned; there are reports of airport customs searching for them and destroying them upon finding; no non-muslim gatherings of any sort are even allowed; and non-muslim French tourists have been shot and killed for accidentally taking the road that leads to Mecca.

So, it's fair game.

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