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What is the ultimate goal of humanity?

Eternal procreation of the species
24
16%
To become immortal beings
15
10%
To colonize the entire universe
27
18%
To live in a state of absolute pleasure
18
12%
To save the universe from ending
15
10%
Apotheosis (becoming gods)
18
12%
Our extinction
8
5%
Total nonexistence (no matter, no energy at all)
6
4%
Religious beliefs (go to heaven, be one with God)
19
13%
 
Total votes : 150

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat May 23, 2020 3:30 pm

Velosia wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:We should approach colonizing space as the galaxy's future master. Aliens exist to serve us for the same reason livestock do.

I thought Christians believed in the idea of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?


Christians do, yes.

"Christians" on the other hand...
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 23, 2020 3:31 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Humanity's destiny lies in our inevitable conquest of the stars. It is our God-given right to master the Void and all within it. Does that mean purging some filthy xenos? Hell yes it does!

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat May 23, 2020 3:44 pm

Galloism wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Humanity's destiny lies in our inevitable conquest of the stars. It is our God-given right to master the Void and all within it. Does that mean purging some filthy xenos? Hell yes it does!

For the Emperor!

Relevant.


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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat May 23, 2020 3:50 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Velosia wrote:I thought Christians believed in the idea of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?


Christians do, yes.

"Christians" on the other hand...


“But we have God on our side!”

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat May 23, 2020 7:06 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Christians do, yes.

"Christians" on the other hand...


“But we have God on our side!”

The Interstellar Conglomerate: *Destroys all opposition with Antimatter bombs.*
“Where’s your Deity now, puny cultists?”


That's cool bro. Not sure what your edgy post has to do with what I said, but that's cool bro.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Sat May 23, 2020 7:48 pm

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Postby Green October Z » Sat May 23, 2020 7:51 pm

The ultimate goal should be to have an ultimate goal
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Postby Kowani » Sat May 23, 2020 7:53 pm

Goal? Why on earth would we need such a thing?
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Postby Saint Nicholas and the Hussars » Sat May 23, 2020 7:56 pm

1. Repair what’s broken
2. Expand science and understanding
3. Reproduce
4. Happiness

Simple, in order of priority.

Also, why should there be one ultimate goal? All the effort in the world to a small thing when so much could be done seems inadequate to human nature
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Postby Saint Nicholas and the Hussars » Sat May 23, 2020 7:56 pm

Kowani wrote:Goal? Why on earth would we need such a thing?

Dunno, seems nice before it all dies and gets ended
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Postby Geneviev » Sat May 23, 2020 9:03 pm

Humanity should work toward creating a society based on the ideal according to Jesus. Since that's essentially impossible, survival should be enough.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat May 23, 2020 10:34 pm

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29 posts... Longer than I'd have expected to get to "sex with aliens", TBH... :p

And, I don't think there is one unifying goal for all of mankind.

We're born, we move around a bit, we die. If you believe in an afterlife, there's that.

That said, I think one thing humanity should be striving to do is to undo the damage to the planet (as space colonisation is theoretical at best), that we can continue progressing technologically and socially, in a more responsible way.

Now, whether that will ever happen... there, I am more doubtful.
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Postby Kowani » Sat May 23, 2020 10:41 pm

Saint Nicholas and the Hussars wrote:
Kowani wrote:Goal? Why on earth would we need such a thing?

Dunno, seems nice before it all dies and gets ended

That didn't really address what I said, but okay.
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Postby Saint Nicholas and the Hussars » Sat May 23, 2020 10:49 pm

Kowani wrote:
Saint Nicholas and the Hussars wrote:Dunno, seems nice before it all dies and gets ended

That didn't really address what I said, but okay.

Excuse me? It answered your question, or is everything you disagree with an incomprehensible mess? Frankly that question is very subjective. What? You want reasoning? No. You aren’t getting it.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat May 23, 2020 10:52 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Christians do, yes.

"Christians" on the other hand...


“But we have God on our side!”

The Interstellar Conglomerate: *Destroys all opposition with Antimatter bombs.*
“Where’s your Deity now, puny cultists?”


Obviously humanities ultimate goal is to kill God.
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Postby VVerkia » Sat May 23, 2020 10:58 pm

What is the ultimate, final goal of mankind? What is the last and greatest thing we can accomplish? And what happens if and when it's done?
Don't know. I barely find goals for myself. I'm not future or goals oriented person. All i do is just living, remembering, feeling, thinking, imagining. In part of my life my goal was to educate. In other, travel. My personal goal is to just be myself. So no mask, no pretend to be someone, who i am not, "act" as others want or think that some kind of acting is MUST (i often feel bad in churches, because i don't feel "ritual stuff". Or dancing. Or many social activities.). Also, i don't think that term "goals" is accurate, because it is rather something from my deepest deep, but since puberty i was searching someone to love deep, romantically, to end of my life. Not shallow "love", or shallow attraction that blank due to time. Not forced one. It was like - i'm looking for that "special one to love". It's different from "procreation of species goal". It's nice when it's possible to make family with children, whoever it is not always possible or it's risky. But if making child is priorities, then "love" doesn't matter much or at all to some peoples. Others can search someone for money or status, or look or any other stuff. And if one of that "stuff" disappear than what bond will last. Look will be gone, money isn't permanent, status or reputation can be ruined, child can be not born, sex can be unsatisfactory, families and connection can dissapear due to time. And you can find any others more or less shallow reasons.

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Velosia wrote:I personally feel the ultimate 'goal' of humanity will likely be to achieve, as you put it, an absolute state of pleasure.

I've often felt that such a goal may provide the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Imagine if we were to upload our minds into a digital space, creating our own personal paradises in which we can spend an eternity (i.e simulated reality), it would make the real world look unimaginably dull and uninteresting in comparison.

Perhaps we see no evidence of aliens since, once they've found a way to achieve this goal, they have no desire to expand outwards into the empty expanse of space beyond acquiring resources to expand or power their hardware that hosts an entire civilisation of countless digitised consciousnesses?

I dunno, pleasure for its own sake seems a rather empty goal, especially if we have to reject reality in order to achieve it.

I thing also, that pleasure or happiness or fun are empty goal as own sake.
I don't need digital space or eternity. If i want to "dive" i have my imaginations, or books, or simply experiencing world. Don't need paradise. Especially "digital".
Aliens can be seen or don't see due to settings of digital projected universe.

Velosia wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:We should approach colonizing space as the galaxy's future master. Aliens exist to serve us for the same reason livestock do.

I thought Christians believed in the idea of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?

This statement is rather unfortunate, because "different people". Eg. someone want to be punished, or eradicate by others, so due to this word, that person can think to do the same things to others.

Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:Divide Earth's average net energy production by the population, and you get a few kilowatts per person (that is, kilojoules per person-second). Simulating peoples' brains could make them just as happy for far less than the real-world resources we need now, and we'd be able to do it for a lot more people than otherwise, no? How much of an efficiency multiplier would you need to break even?

Somehow i don't like that "efficiency" view. Looking only from that perspective, make lives somehow like thing, like something, what doesn't matter and looks like others calculated numbers eg. when someone calculate lives of others to money... Next, what if simulated people know, that they live in simulation and don't wont to live in simulation, because it isn't "real" but "simulated" and faked?

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat May 23, 2020 10:58 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
“But we have God on our side!”

The Interstellar Conglomerate: *Destroys all opposition with Antimatter bombs.*
“Where’s your Deity now, puny cultists?”


Obviously humanities ultimate goal is to kill God.

I see that more as "step one"
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat May 23, 2020 11:35 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Obviously humanities ultimate goal is to kill God.

I see that more as "step one"


Step 2 is to create dinosaurs.

Step 3 is to create Pokémon.
Why? Because we just can.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Sat May 23, 2020 11:43 pm

peace and freedom for all mankind would be pretty nice
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Postby Green October Z » Sun May 24, 2020 12:55 am

South Odreria 2 wrote:peace and freedom for all mankind would be pretty nice


And put all the soldiers, mercenaries, and weapons industry workers out of the job? ;)
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun May 24, 2020 1:34 am

There is no unifying goal humans have beyond procreation.

Any other answer is just what goal you want to see humanity achieve.

If that is the question, no doubt I would love to see humanity be able to master interstellar travel and explore the stars.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun May 24, 2020 1:43 am

Jedi Council wrote:There is no unifying goal humans have beyond procreation.

TBH, I'd question that, too.

Jedi Council wrote:Any other answer is just what goal you want to see humanity achieve.

TBH, I think all answers -- including procreation -- are what you'd like to see humanity achieve -- the perpetuation of your own family line for at least one more generation.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun May 24, 2020 1:45 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:There is no unifying goal humans have beyond procreation.

TBH, I'd question that, too.

Jedi Council wrote:Any other answer is just what goal you want to see humanity achieve.

TBH, I think all answers -- including procreation -- are what you'd like to see humanity achieve -- the perpetuation of your own family line for at least one more generation.

I mean, I think a majority of people have a biological desire to procreate.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun May 24, 2020 1:50 am

Jedi Council wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:TBH, I'd question that, too.


TBH, I think all answers -- including procreation -- are what you'd like to see humanity achieve -- the perpetuation of your own family line for at least one more generation.

I mean, I think a majority of people have a biological desire to procreate.

Though, I'd suggest the existence of those who don't casts into the question the idea of the goal being a unifying one.
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Postby Ayro Va » Sun May 24, 2020 1:54 am

To reach communism.
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