In Defence of All Lives Matter

[ArenaC]

I bet the system was really oppressive toward the likes of Barack Obama, Kamala Harris etc, but do go on about how white people benefit so heavily from the system.

Also, if black people can have black only spaces, whites can have their own too. You don't get to pick and choose who gets to segregate.

Can any of you explain the relevance of this tangent to a defence the phrase "All Lives Matter"? Are you defending it? Is Stagnant Axon Terminal? Is ArenaC?

I have no damn idea what I’m supporting. All I know is that I’m benefiting from the institution I hate and unironically want to just shelter in place literally forever because I have created a burden in society for being a white person.

[Rojava Free State]

If "black lives matter" group is making black-only spaces, and discuss the movement, then the outcome of it would not be harmful for society. And I don't see a reason why black-only groups would be bad.

If there is white-only groups, there is way higher change of it to turn into white supremacy groups. because honestly, what race issues do we have that we would need to discuss in white-only groups?
I understand that in some areas being white would also lead to problems, but generally I just don't see the need of these groups.
it sounds fair to have white-only, if we have black-only groups, as "if they can, we can"... but in practice, it would be bad idea..

Thats what will happen if you give anyone a safe space. It's a slippery slope. Frankly I think it's rather embarrassing of one to admit they want a place where everyone looks like them. The white nationalists do that all the time. If you can't function in a multiracial society, you need to leave, and it makes no difference if you're black or if you're white.

[Bloing]

If "black lives matter" group is making black-only spaces, and discuss the movement, then the outcome of it would not be harmful for society. And I don't see a reason why black-only groups would be bad.

If there is white-only groups, there is way higher change of it to turn into white supremacy groups. because honestly, what race issues do we have that we would need to discuss in white-only groups?
I understand that in some areas being white would also lead to problems, but generally I just don't see the need of these groups.
it sounds fair to have white-only, if we have black-only groups, as "if they can, we can"... but in practice, it would be bad idea..

Thats what will happen if you give anyone a safe space. It's a slippery slope. Frankly I think it's rather embarrassing of one to admit they want a place where everyone looks like them. The white nationalists do that all the time. If you can't function in a multiracial society, you need to leave, and it makes no difference if you're black or if you're white.

True that.

[ArenaC]

Thats what will happen if you give anyone a safe space. It's a slippery slope. Frankly I think it's rather embarrassing of one to admit they want a place where everyone looks like them. The white nationalists do that all the time. If you can't function in a multiracial society, you need to leave, and it makes no difference if you're black or if you're white.

True that.

Yes. Xenophobia is universal and anyone can do anything....straight white males are the worst offenders? Yes.

[Purple Rats]

If "black lives matter" group is making black-only spaces, and discuss the movement, then the outcome of it would not be harmful for society. And I don't see a reason why black-only groups would be bad.

If there is white-only groups, there is way higher change of it to turn into white supremacy groups. because honestly, what race issues do we have that we would need to discuss in white-only groups?
I understand that in some areas being white would also lead to problems, but generally I just don't see the need of these groups.
it sounds fair to have white-only, if we have black-only groups, as "if they can, we can"... but in practice, it would be bad idea..

Thats what will happen if you give anyone a safe space. It's a slippery slope. Frankly I think it's rather embarrassing of one to admit they want a place where everyone looks like them. The white nationalists do that all the time. If you can't function in a multiracial society, you need to leave, and it makes no difference if you're black or if you're white.

You think that black only spaces will lead to them wanting to rule over others? or what do you mean by "Thats what will happen if you give anyone a safe space".

How would it be possible to discuss black lives matter movement things, if anyone can just go there?

[Rojava Free State]

True that.

Yes. Xenophobia is universal and anyone can do anything....straight white males are the worst offenders? Yes.

White people are definitely not the most racist group of people. Just go compare antisemitism rates in white America compared to black and latino America or attitudes on interracial marriage.

And did you forget that Japan still exists? America is like a racial utopia compared to East Asia.

[Rojava Free State]

Thats what will happen if you give anyone a safe space. It's a slippery slope. Frankly I think it's rather embarrassing of one to admit they want a place where everyone looks like them. The white nationalists do that all the time. If you can't function in a multiracial society, you need to leave, and it makes no difference if you're black or if you're white.

You think that black only spaces will lead to them wanting to rule over others? or what do you mean by "Thats what will happen if you give anyone a safe space".

How would it be possible to discuss black lives matter movement things, if anyone can just go there?

Ruling others? No. Segregating themselves from society and encouraging other groups to do the same, leading to balkanization? Yes.

I believe that you cant have equality through separatism. Safe spaces put up walls and walls lead to distrust, and we all should be welcoming outsiders in with open arms and not with suspicion and hatred.

[Alvecia]

I dunno, is it bigoted to create a demographic exclusive club?

Like if I make an atheist club, no religious allowed. Is that discriminatory?
If I make a boys only club, no girls allowed. Is that discriminatory?

What about other factors? If I make a club that you have to pass a maths test to join, is that discriminatory against those less learned in maths?

What if there was a white only club?

I don't doubt that there are

[Rojava Free State]

I can tell you all from personal experience that yes minorities can be racist. My mother's prejudice toward black people, Eastern Europeans, the Irish and East Indians is proof of that.

[ArenaC]

You think that black only spaces will lead to them wanting to rule over others? or what do you mean by "Thats what will happen if you give anyone a safe space".

How would it be possible to discuss black lives matter movement things, if anyone can just go there?

Ruling others? No. Segregating themselves from society and encouraging other groups to do the same, leading to balkanization? Yes.

I believe that you cant have equality through separatism. Safe spaces put up walls and walls lead to distrust, and we all should be welcoming outsiders in with open arms and not with suspicion and hatred.

C word V word and we’ll be putting up walls never coming down. That’s what I’m doing. You should do it too.

[Nederlandsrijk]

Everyone can be racist also I have a question since all lives matter do ALL lives matter I am talking about animals does a being like a mosquito matter?

[ArenaC]

Everyone can be racist also I have a question since all lives matter do ALL lives matter I am talking about animals does a being like a mosquito matter?

wasps don’t matter

[Rojava Free State]

Everyone can be racist also I have a question since all lives matter do ALL lives matter I am talking about animals does a being like a mosquito matter?

All sentient lives matter. This excludes mosquitos and Icy Narco.

[ArenaC]

Everyone can be racist also I have a question since all lives matter do ALL lives matter I am talking about animals does a being like a mosquito matter?

All sentient lives matter. This excludes mosquitos and Icy Narco.

This also excludes wasps and Donny T

[Rojava Free State]

Everyone can be racist also I have a question since all lives matter do ALL lives matter I am talking about animals does a being like a mosquito matter?

wasps don’t matter

I too don't like wasps. Whenever I go outside, they bother me and won't leave me alone. You see them walking down the street in their khakis and visors with their tennis rackets and they're like "you're not allowed to play tennis with us." I say "I don't wanna play tennis with your snobby boring asses at your snobby boring country club."

[Somerania]

Everyone can be racist also I have a question since all lives matter do ALL lives matter I am talking about animals does a being like a mosquito matter?

All sentient lives matter. This excludes mosquitos and Icy Narco.

So dogs don't matter? Do whales matter or sharks?

[Rojava Free State]

All sentient lives matter. This excludes mosquitos and Icy Narco.

This also excludes wasps and Donny T

It further excludes Azalea Banks and Tyga, because Azalea is a bitch and Tyga is a simp, so no self awareness there.

[Rojava Free State]

All sentient lives matter. This excludes mosquitos and Icy Narco.

So dogs don't matter? Do whales matter or sharks?

Dogs and whales are sentient.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

“All lives matter” is just reactionary nonsense.

[Mzeusia]

I'm gonna just say that all lives matter, and that's obvious to the majority of people, but black lives matter is in direct response to police brutality and killing of black people. I don't think segregated spaces is the answer, I don't really know what is. Of course, the problem BLM wants to rectify is not limited to black people at all, but I think that, being in predominantly black neighbourhoods and a bunch of other factors have led to Black Lives Matter, rather than the movement being called a more inclusive name. All Lives Matter, for example, rid of its connotations could be used as the name of a multiracial movement against police brutality.

[Purple Rats]

Ruling others? No. Segregating themselves from society and encouraging other groups to do the same, leading to balkanization? Yes.

I believe that you cant have equality through separatism. Safe spaces put up walls and walls lead to distrust, and we all should be welcoming outsiders in with open arms and not with suspicion and hatred.

i understand what you are trying to say, and I would not separate everyone into "x-only" groups, but I also understand that some safe-spaces are needed. Or just groups.
White only groups just bother me, because of nazi movement. Without them, I would not have problems with it either.

All sentient lives matter. This excludes mosquitos and Icy Narco.

Some birds and frogs eat mosquitos. I hate them, but I think they are important for environment.

[Rojava Free State]

Ruling others? No. Segregating themselves from society and encouraging other groups to do the same, leading to balkanization? Yes.

I believe that you cant have equality through separatism. Safe spaces put up walls and walls lead to distrust, and we all should be welcoming outsiders in with open arms and not with suspicion and hatred.

i understand what you are trying to say, and I would not separate everyone into "x-only" groups, but I also understand that some safe-spaces are needed. Or just groups.
White only groups just bother me, because of nazi movement. Without them, I would not have problems with it either.

All sentient lives matter. This excludes mosquitos and Icy Narco.

Some birds and frogs eat mosquitos. I hate them, but I think they are important for environment.

I really don't like the idea of saying "here is a space for black people." I think all spaces should be for people of all races, and you don't fight exclusion with more exclusion but with inclusion.

[The Two Jerseys]

The problem as I see it isn't that "All Live Matter" is a disagreeable stance, but that the phrase grew out of an opposition to the statement "Black Lives Matter". Thus (despite the content of the phrase) it comes across as implicitly disagreeing that black lives matter.

I don't think that Black Lives Matter would have as much opposition if it weren't for how "Black Lives Matter" in practice means "Black Lives Are the Only Lives That Matter, and Even Then Only If They're Shot By the Police".

[ArenaC]

The problem as I see it isn't that "All Live Matter" is a disagreeable stance, but that the phrase grew out of an opposition to the statement "Black Lives Matter". Thus (despite the content of the phrase) it comes across as implicitly disagreeing that black lives matter.

I don't think that Black Lives Matter would have as much opposition if it weren't for how "Black Lives Matter" in practice means "Black Lives Are the Only Lives That Matter, and Even Then Only If They're Shot By the Police".

White people definitely are an invasive species to North America [1] and shouldn’t be allowed to bother the others...

[1] = https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts ... as_are_an/

[SangMar]

The problem as I see it isn't that "All Live Matter" is a disagreeable stance, but that the phrase grew out of an opposition to the statement "Black Lives Matter". Thus (despite the content of the phrase) it comes across as implicitly disagreeing that black lives matter.

I don't think that Black Lives Matter would have as much opposition if it weren't for how "Black Lives Matter" in practice means "Black Lives Are the Only Lives That Matter, and Even Then Only If They're Shot By the Police".

Exactly. If a member of one of America’s various black communities wants to cry about how little Johnny got shot dead by police after assaulting a shop clerk and attacking an officer, then it really needs to be asked of them, what are they doing to stop their communities’ young men from turning to crime, and feeling like they have a God-given right to attack people and break laws? Also, they need to be asked about intra-racial crime within their own communities and if they care about that too.

Because funnily enough, I think many Black-Americans only seem to care when it’s the evil whitey pulling the trigger, and not a member of their own groups.

While a discussion about police racism in America is long overdue, and about the terror that officers get afflicted by when seeing a black man do quite literally anything, the issues I’ve mentioned need a separate, and deep look into themselves.