In Defence of All Lives Matter

[Albrenia]

first of all, minorities, especially in situations where they are being threatened and targetted, deserve to have safe meeting spaces. If that means my white ass can't go to a meeting, GOOD. They deserve to not have to look at every white person and think, "are they here to be an ally or are they here to derail the conversation or heckle or even attack us?"

Second, Vester Flanagan has nothing to do with this. Period. The people who ASSOCIATED Flanagan with BLM and tried to pit all of it on BLM and accuse them of trying to start a race war is what prompted ANY response from BLM. They are WHOLLY separate.

Oh so then are you okay with white people having their own safe spaces or is this a one way street? You're opening a very dangerous can of worms when you start setting up racial safe spaces. It sounds an awful lot like segregation, and frankly I don't see how a movement is gonna get alot of white support when it tells white people to stay away. You do understand that under your logic, I could set up a, idk, safe space from Jews right? No jews allowed in Utica after sundown anymore, because as Arabs and Hispanics we deserve a "safe space."

I'm sure you're okay with being excluded as a white person, but unlike you if someone said to me "you're not allowed here because you are hispanic," I would go out of my way to deliberately mess with the bigots by grabbing every brown man in this city and heading there. Racists don't deserve a safe space, so says many a person and I'm sure you have said it one time or another, so if you need a safe space for your race, then no quarter for you in my world.

Segregation is a bad thing. I'd rather we didn't go back to it.

"No Whites" areas sounds disturbingly similar to things labelled "Coloureds Only" in the past. It baffles me that some minorities would want to open that particular door which took so much pain and work for them to close.

[Rojava Free State]

Oh so then are you okay with white people having their own safe spaces or is this a one way street? You're opening a very dangerous can of worms when you start setting up racial safe spaces. It sounds an awful lot like segregation, and frankly I don't see how a movement is gonna get alot of white support when it tells white people to stay away. You do understand that under your logic, I could set up a, idk, safe space from Jews right? No jews allowed in Utica after sundown anymore, because as Arabs and Hispanics we deserve a "safe space."

I'm sure you're okay with being excluded as a white person, but unlike you if someone said to me "you're not allowed here because you are hispanic," I would go out of my way to deliberately mess with the bigots by grabbing every brown man in this city and heading there. Racists don't deserve a safe space, so says many a person and I'm sure you have said it one time or another, so if you need a safe space for your race, then no quarter for you in my world.

Segregation is a bad thing. I'd rather we didn't go back to it.

"No Whites" areas sounds disturbingly similar to things labelled "Coloureds Only" in the past. It baffles me that some minorities would want to open that particular door which took so much pain and work for them to close.

The funny thing is one day when some asshole from 4chan puts up a sign on a wall saying "whites only," they'll screaming "NO NO NO NO."

What's the matter? You want your safe space but the whites shouldn't have one? I thought you would like this? Now that we've divided society into official spaces for blacks and whites, you will never have to deal with a white person ever again. District 14 is the black area of town and district 10 is the white area. If what you are reading makes you uncomfortable as hell, it's because racial safe spaces are for bigots. No one who has zero prejudice says "I want a place where I can go where everyone is my race." Only a hateful xenophobe feels that way.

[Kannap]

So maybe you can explain how "Black Lives Matter" somehow implies that other lives don't.

so can you explain why them hating us saying "all lives matter" is making them think that doesn't include them?

Of course all lives matter, that's common sense. But does saying it in response to people of color airing their grievances actually solve their problems?

[Ifreann]

That people are so immediately veering off on tangents away from the topic of the thread sort of underlines my point. Even when we're directly asked about All Lives Matter, we skip over it and go straight to arguing something else.

[Rojava Free State]

so can you explain why them hating us saying "all lives matter" is making them think that doesn't include them?

Of course all lives matter, that's common sense. But does saying it in response to people of color airing their grievances actually solve their problems?

My main issue with BLM is that police killings are not an exclusively black issue. Hispanics get killed by cops for no good reason all the time and many white people do as well and yet we frame police shootings as almost like this exclusively black phenomenon when it really isn't.

We don't need a movement for black lives. We need a cop watch.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

first of all, minorities, especially in situations where they are being threatened and targetted, deserve to have safe meeting spaces. If that means my white ass can't go to a meeting, GOOD. They deserve to not have to look at every white person and think, "are they here to be an ally or are they here to derail the conversation or heckle or even attack us?"

Second, Vester Flanagan has nothing to do with this. Period. The people who ASSOCIATED Flanagan with BLM and tried to pit all of it on BLM and accuse them of trying to start a race war is what prompted ANY response from BLM. They are WHOLLY separate.

Oh so then are you okay with white people having their own safe spaces or is this a one way street? You're opening a very dangerous can of worms when you start setting up racial safe spaces. It sounds an awful lot like segregation, and frankly I don't see how a movement is gonna get alot of white support when it tells white people to stay away. You do understand that under your logic, I could set up a, idk, safe space from Jews right? No jews allowed in Utica after sundown anymore, because as Arabs and Hispanics we deserve a "safe space."

I'm sure you're okay with being excluded as a white person, but unlike you if someone said to me "you're not allowed here because you are hispanic," I would go out of my way to deliberately mess with the bigots by grabbing every brown man in this city and heading there. Racists don't deserve a safe space, so says many a person and I'm sure you have said it one time or another, so if you need a safe space for your race, then no quarter for you in my world.

When it's white people who ARE the oppressors, they don't deserve access to spaces that need freedom FROM the oppressors. Jews are not oppressors. Hispanic folks aren't oppressors. White people are.

[Kannap]

Of course all lives matter, that's common sense. But does saying it in response to people of color airing their grievances actually solve their problems?

My main issue with BLM is that police killings are not an exclusively black issue. Hispanics get killed by cops for no good reason all the time and many white people do as well and yet we frame police shootings as almost like this exclusively black phenomenon when it really isn't.

We don't need a movement for black lives. We need a cop watch.

Just abolish police

[Rojava Free State]

My main issue with BLM is that police killings are not an exclusively black issue. Hispanics get killed by cops for no good reason all the time and many white people do as well and yet we frame police shootings as almost like this exclusively black phenomenon when it really isn't.

We don't need a movement for black lives. We need a cop watch.

Just abolish police

What

[Albrenia]

My main issue with BLM is that police killings are not an exclusively black issue. Hispanics get killed by cops for no good reason all the time and many white people do as well and yet we frame police shootings as almost like this exclusively black phenomenon when it really isn't.

We don't need a movement for black lives. We need a cop watch.

Just abolish police

I prefer making them do their jobs without murdering people.

[ArenaC]

so can you explain why them hating us saying "all lives matter" is making them think that doesn't include them?

probably because it entirely ignores the topic at hand and implies that black lives matter doesn't value all lives.

that’s because it implies white people can go... pass away or something.
(yeah let’s not, nobody must die)

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

My main issue with BLM is that police killings are not an exclusively black issue. Hispanics get killed by cops for no good reason all the time and many white people do as well and yet we frame police shootings as almost like this exclusively black phenomenon when it really isn't.

We don't need a movement for black lives. We need a cop watch.

Just abolish police

This is a good take. I like this take.
ACAB.

[Rojava Free State]

Oh so then are you okay with white people having their own safe spaces or is this a one way street? You're opening a very dangerous can of worms when you start setting up racial safe spaces. It sounds an awful lot like segregation, and frankly I don't see how a movement is gonna get alot of white support when it tells white people to stay away. You do understand that under your logic, I could set up a, idk, safe space from Jews right? No jews allowed in Utica after sundown anymore, because as Arabs and Hispanics we deserve a "safe space."

I'm sure you're okay with being excluded as a white person, but unlike you if someone said to me "you're not allowed here because you are hispanic," I would go out of my way to deliberately mess with the bigots by grabbing every brown man in this city and heading there. Racists don't deserve a safe space, so says many a person and I'm sure you have said it one time or another, so if you need a safe space for your race, then no quarter for you in my world.

When it's white people who ARE the oppressors, they don't deserve access to spaces that need freedom FROM the oppressors. Jews are not oppressors. Hispanic folks aren't oppressors. White people are.

I love how you classify white people as oppressors, as if all white people are out there looking for minorities to attack. Anyone can be an oppressor, you don't need to be white do it. In fact, certain jews are oppressors. Look at what Israel does to the Palestinian territories every day, that is oppression. Because of this atrocity and the discomfort my Arab neighbors feel because the IDF bombed their cousins, I am hammering up a sign in my city saying "all Jews out by sundown." I don't hate Jews. I just think Arabs need a safe space, something you would clearly support.

[ArenaC]

Oh so then are you okay with white people having their own safe spaces or is this a one way street? You're opening a very dangerous can of worms when you start setting up racial safe spaces. It sounds an awful lot like segregation, and frankly I don't see how a movement is gonna get alot of white support when it tells white people to stay away. You do understand that under your logic, I could set up a, idk, safe space from Jews right? No jews allowed in Utica after sundown anymore, because as Arabs and Hispanics we deserve a "safe space."

I'm sure you're okay with being excluded as a white person, but unlike you if someone said to me "you're not allowed here because you are hispanic," I would go out of my way to deliberately mess with the bigots by grabbing every brown man in this city and heading there. Racists don't deserve a safe space, so says many a person and I'm sure you have said it one time or another, so if you need a safe space for your race, then no quarter for you in my world.

When it's white people who ARE the oppressors, they don't deserve access to spaces that need freedom FROM the oppressors. Jews are not oppressors. Hispanic folks aren't oppressors. White people are.

So I, a white person, oppress without doing anything wrong and should go jump off a bridge? Yes?

[Valrifell]

The most obvious interpretation of BLM is "Black Lives Matter (Too)" not "Black Lives Matter (More)"

So the proponents of the movement are already arguing from the position that all lives matter, and just believe that current institutions don't respect that.

[Kannap]

probably because it entirely ignores the topic at hand and implies that black lives matter doesn't value all lives.

that’s because it implies white people can go... pass away or something.
(yeah let’s not, nobody must die)

It doesn't imply that.

[ArenaC]

The most obvious interpretation of BLM is "Black Lives Matter (Too)" not "Black Lives Matter (More)"

So the proponents of the movement are already arguing from the position that all lives matter, and just believe that current institutions don't respect that.

Well all lives matter, black, white, gay, Asian, you name it.

[Agarntrop]

Are people here now justifying racial segregation?

Oh boy

[Kannap]

The most obvious interpretation of BLM is "Black Lives Matter (Too)" not "Black Lives Matter (More)"

So the proponents of the movement are already arguing from the position that all lives matter, and just believe that current institutions don't respect that.

Well all lives matter, black, white, gay, Asian, you name it.

lol imagine believing all lives matter except white people

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

When it's white people who ARE the oppressors, they don't deserve access to spaces that need freedom FROM the oppressors. Jews are not oppressors. Hispanic folks aren't oppressors. White people are.

So I, a white person, oppress without doing anything wrong and should go jump off a bridge? Yes?

You do benefit from racism. Even if you as a person never did anything that could even be slightly construed as racist, even if you were the perfect ally, your life is made easier by institutionalized racism than the life of a POC. Racial oppression is in favor of white people, and as a white person who doesn't experience institutionalized racism, you cannot relate on the same level to racial oppression that a POC does. And POC are perfectly valid to distrust white people when white people are where the oppression comes from. They can't sit around and vet you before you walk through the meeting room doors.

The demand that you be allowed in every space, especially spaces that you cannot relate to on the same level, is entitlement of the highest fucking caliber.

[Valrifell]

Well all lives matter, black, white, gay, Asian, you name it.

lol imagine believing all lives matter except white people

Hot take: no lives matter

[Agarntrop]

lol imagine believing all lives matter except white people

Hot take: no lives matter

You see, some people are pro-choice, others pro-life, but I'm pro-death.

[Kannap]

lol imagine believing all lives matter except white people

Hot take: no lives matter

In the grand scheme of things, that's right, the universe doesn't care about any of our lives.

[Valrifell]

Hot take: no lives matter

In the grand scheme of things, that's right, the universe doesn't care about any of our lives.

Of course, the universe doesn't dictate how we should behave or view ourselves. Otherwise we'd have President/Mother Guru Williamson right now.

[SangMar]

So I, a white person, oppress without doing anything wrong and should go jump off a bridge? Yes?

You do benefit from racism. Even if you as a person never did anything that could even be slightly construed as racist, even if you were the perfect ally, your life is made easier by institutionalized racism than the life of a POC. Racial oppression is in favor of white people, and as a white person who doesn't experience institutionalized racism, you cannot relate on the same level to racial oppression that a POC does. And POC are perfectly valid to distrust white people when white people are where the oppression comes from. They can't sit around and vet you before you walk through the meeting room doors.

The demand that you be allowed in every space, especially spaces that you cannot relate to on the same level, is entitlement of the highest fucking caliber.

Quick question, are Japanese people in Japan the “oppressors”? Or has that flown out the window now that white people are in Japan?

Tell me what you think. I want to know your opinion on my example.

[Rojava Free State]

So I, a white person, oppress without doing anything wrong and should go jump off a bridge? Yes?

You do benefit from racism. Even if you as a person never did anything that could even be slightly construed as racist, even if you were the perfect ally, your life is made easier by institutionalized racism than the life of a POC. Racial oppression is in favor of white people, and as a white person who doesn't experience institutionalized racism, you cannot relate on the same level to racial oppression that a POC does. And POC are perfectly valid to distrust white people when white people are where the oppression comes from. They can't sit around and vet you before you walk through the meeting room doors.

The demand that you be allowed in every space, especially spaces that you cannot relate to on the same level, is entitlement of the highest fucking caliber.

I bet the system was really oppressive toward the likes of Barack Obama, Kamala Harris etc, but do go on about how white people benefit so heavily from the system.

Also, if black people can have black only spaces, whites can have their own too. You don't get to pick and choose who gets to segregate.