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Who do you support?

Labour
46
34%
National
22
16%
Green Party
30
22%
NZ First
11
8%
ACT NZ
6
4%
Maori Party
8
6%
New Conservatives
10
7%
TOP
0
No votes
Other
2
1%
 
Total votes : 135

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Postby Slavakino » Fri May 22, 2020 3:06 am

Nakena wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Guns are disgusting, no-one but a farmer or a cop should have a gun. Wait, duly licensed hunters of feral animals can have one.

The photos and videos shot by a criminal in the process of committing a crime. Gee, I can't think why that is banned.
Privacy of the victims, that's reason enough.


Fact is a lot of criminals have them. Not sure how it is in NZ, but in Europe it isnt horribly difficult to get a gun if you have the right connections.

Good news: That doesnt usually applies to the suburbanite middle-class amok shooter however. Those get their weapons from daddy's not so safe gun locker.

The swiss have excellent firearm laws. You can even buy your service rifle there
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Postby Drongonia » Fri May 22, 2020 3:08 am

Jedi Council wrote:In any case, it says nothing about him going to jail for this, which was Slavakino's claim.

Oh, no he didn't go to jail. I don't have a source off the top of my head but I believe he got home detention, which is basically the go-to sentence for nonviolent crimes in this country anyway.

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Postby Nakena » Fri May 22, 2020 3:08 am

Slavakino wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Fact is a lot of criminals have them. Not sure how it is in NZ, but in Europe it isnt horribly difficult to get a gun if you have the right connections.

Good news: That doesnt usually applies to the suburbanite middle-class amok shooter however. Those get their weapons from daddy's not so safe gun locker.

The swiss have excellent firearm laws. You can even buy your service rifle there


Until a few years ago every member of the civil defense militia had it's own rifle and emergency ammo (sealed and boxed) at home. They changed that though.

However among self-respecting gangsters the Zastava M70 is more popular. Specifically in Paris and Marseille.

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Postby Jedi Council » Fri May 22, 2020 3:10 am

Drongonia wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:In any case, it says nothing about him going to jail for this, which was Slavakino's claim.

Oh, no he didn't go to jail. I don't have a source off the top of my head but I believe he got home detention, which is basically the go-to sentence for nonviolent crimes in this country anyway.

A pretty light sentence for someone who knowingly shared a livestream of a murderous rampage in my opinion.
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Postby Slavakino » Fri May 22, 2020 3:11 am

Nakena wrote:
Slavakino wrote:The swiss have excellent firearm laws. You can even buy your service rifle there


Until a few years ago every member of the civil defense militia had it's own rifle and emergency ammo (sealed and boxed) at home. They changed that though.

However among self-respecting gangsters the Zastava M70 is more popular. Specifically in Paris and Marseille.

Heh my dads service rifle. M70 is a lovely gun. Shame terrorist get their grubby hands on it
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri May 22, 2020 3:12 am

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Would you feel the same way if it's your dad getting shot in the video? Falling in a ridiculous position, dead?


The only thing my dad has with that video is that he fought Muslim fighters in Bosnia. Come at me mods


If you have that video on your computer I'd delete it right now.
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Postby Slavakino » Fri May 22, 2020 3:14 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Slavakino wrote:

The only thing my dad has with that video is that he fought Muslim fighters in Bosnia. Come at me mods


If you have that video on your computer I'd delete it right now.

Don't live in kiwi land bro
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Postby Jedi Council » Fri May 22, 2020 3:15 am

Slavakino wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
If you have that video on your computer I'd delete it right now.

Don't live in kiwi land bro

Still not something one should have, or want, on their computer.
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Postby Slavakino » Fri May 22, 2020 3:16 am

Jedi Council wrote:
Slavakino wrote:Don't live in kiwi land bro

Still not something one should have, or want, on their computer.

I only ever saw it once on a site like liveleak. Doesn't mean I own it
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri May 22, 2020 3:18 am

Slavakino wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Fact is a lot of criminals have them. Not sure how it is in NZ, but in Europe it isnt horribly difficult to get a gun if you have the right connections.

Good news: That doesnt usually applies to the suburbanite middle-class amok shooter however. Those get their weapons from daddy's not so safe gun locker.

The swiss have excellent firearm laws. You can even buy your service rifle there


I'm glad you approve of a system that requires a permit for anything but a shotgun. Permits are a great idea.
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri May 22, 2020 3:20 am

I hope Labour manage to get a majority this time...
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Postby Slavakino » Fri May 22, 2020 3:24 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Slavakino wrote:The swiss have excellent firearm laws. You can even buy your service rifle there


I'm glad you approve of a system that requires a permit for anything but a shotgun. Permits are a great idea.

I'm pretty sure shotguns fall under the regular license where you can own Semi-Autos.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri May 22, 2020 3:27 am

Slavakino wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
I'm glad you approve of a system that requires a permit for anything but a shotgun. Permits are a great idea.

I'm pretty sure shotguns fall under the regular license where you can own Semi-Autos.


The point is they have licensing. Records are kept of who owns each gun. This alone would vastly improve the US system.
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Postby Slavakino » Fri May 22, 2020 3:32 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Slavakino wrote:I'm pretty sure shotguns fall under the regular license where you can own Semi-Autos.


The point is they have licensing. Records are kept of who owns each gun. This alone would vastly improve the US system.

US system isn't perfect but its okay. Not the best, not the worst. They still have restrictions on who should have it. While in Switzerland you have to get trained (Hence conscription)
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri May 22, 2020 3:35 am

Slavakino wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
The point is they have licensing. Records are kept of who owns each gun. This alone would vastly improve the US system.

US system isn't perfect but its okay. Not the best, not the worst. They still have restrictions on who should have it. While in Switzerland you have to get trained (Hence conscription)


I'm somewhat sympathetic to conscription (with alternative service). But it's obviously not on the table in NZ ...
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri May 22, 2020 3:45 am

Slavakino wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
The point is they have licensing. Records are kept of who owns each gun. This alone would vastly improve the US system.

US system isn't perfect but its okay. Not the best, not the worst. They still have restrictions on who should have it. While in Switzerland you have to get trained (Hence conscription)

wait what your dads the guy in that music video that got banned after the shooting? ("serbia stronk" AKA another name that could get me banned)
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Postby Slavakino » Fri May 22, 2020 3:50 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Slavakino wrote:US system isn't perfect but its okay. Not the best, not the worst. They still have restrictions on who should have it. While in Switzerland you have to get trained (Hence conscription)

wait what your dads the guy in that music video that got banned after the shooting? ("serbia stronk" AKA another name that could get me banned)

Nah. He can't play the accordion, only guitar. But he did fight in the Bosnian war against Bosnian forces.
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri May 22, 2020 3:57 am

Slavakino wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:wait what your dads the guy in that music video that got banned after the shooting? ("serbia stronk" AKA another name that could get me banned)

Nah. He can't play the accordion, only guitar. But he did fight in the Bosnian war against Bosnian forces.

oh.... jesus christ....
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Postby Apulita » Fri May 22, 2020 4:04 am

As a New Zealander, I'll be party voting green. My constituency is very strong labour so might not even vote strategically there. Lab-Green not held back by NZF would be my ideal.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri May 22, 2020 4:55 am

Slavakino wrote:So basically everyone is supporting her because of one good factor as opposed to others? What a dogshit way to go about politics Jesus.


To be frank, she hasn't really given us anything beyond good crisis management. Before 2019 and quite a lot of the time through it, it was "oh we promised to build 10,000 new houses a year, but we've only managed to get 700 and something completed, all of which were signed off by the previous government."

Light rail for Auckland? Nope!

Freebate scheme for new and used cars to encourage a more fuel efficient vehicle fleet? Nope! Thanks Winston!

Capital gains tax? Nope! And not while she's Prime Minister too. Thanks again, Winston!
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri May 22, 2020 4:58 am

Ravenni wrote:Greens aren't in the OP poll but they'll get my party vote, Labour will likely get my electorate vote unless by some misfortune I move to Epsom in the next three months. I don't want Labour to be ruling alone like they are on the latest polls, I want the Greens to be able to leverage some decent concessions out of them for a coalition/C&S and definitely want to see them above 5%.


Can't see that happening unless Labour's support drops and New Zealand First doesn't make it back in.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri May 22, 2020 5:00 am

Agarntrop wrote:I hope Labour manage to get a majority this time...


A majority hasn't happened since MMP was introduced in the mid-90's. Every government since then has been a coalition government.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri May 22, 2020 5:04 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Top of page two, and I'm the first to ask: what beehive?

Manuka honey is very delicious and is only produced in New Zealand and Australia. If you believe the "natural health" nonsense it's supposed to cure cancer too or something. It's a "superfood" or whatever the hell they call food that can cure diseases.

Anyway, critical support for Comrade Jacinda. If only NZ First weren't getting in the way.

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Postby Drongonia » Fri May 22, 2020 5:09 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:I hope Labour manage to get a majority this time...


A majority hasn't happened since MMP was introduced in the mid-90's. Every government since then has been a coalition government.

As much as I have an intense dislike for Ardern/Labour I would be obliged to congratulate her if she did manage to form the first ever MMP majority.

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Postby Agarntrop » Fri May 22, 2020 5:11 am

Drongonia wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
A majority hasn't happened since MMP was introduced in the mid-90's. Every government since then has been a coalition government.

As much as I have an intense dislike for Ardern/Labour I would be obliged to congratulate her if she did manage to form the first ever MMP majority.

Wait you proportional?

Fucking New Zealand, always doing well in everything...
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