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Human cloning should be

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Legal for research purposes only
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Postby Green October Z » Thu May 21, 2020 2:36 pm

No, I am not talking about creating a clone army for the Republic. I am just talking about human cloning for reproductive purposes. That way it would be possible for infertile couples and single people to have their own biological children. The same can be said for an only child that wants a sibling. Not to mention, the genetic structure of the clone could theoretically be altered to prevent the clone from having deformities or disabilities.

Personally I am fine with the idea of cloning humans as long as it is well regulated to prevent abuses. What are your thoughts on the subject? Should it legal and unregulated or should the whole idea be killed with fire?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu May 21, 2020 2:44 pm

I have a cloning program of my own you know. I went on a trip to Angeles City and nine months later several hundred babies were born in the same week with a striking resemblance to me.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Thu May 21, 2020 2:58 pm

I've thought much on the subject but I have to say I'm somewhat against it. IMO, clones pose too much risk to the life of an individual. You have what is essentially the exact same person co-existing at one time. It just seems too dangerous for the person who has been cloned, as there are about a million ways said clone could ruin their life.
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Postby Communida » Thu May 21, 2020 3:02 pm

No, it would likely spin out of control even with the most regulations.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu May 21, 2020 3:16 pm

I'm ok with cloning, as long as the written consent of the person being cloned is obtained beforehand. Also clones should be protected from abuses or slavery, and do not 'belong' to the company or DNA donor in any sense. If it would be possible to give each a unique genetic identifying marker it would be good too.

Not that legality or regulation would entirely stop misuse of said technology.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 21, 2020 3:28 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I've thought much on the subject but I have to say I'm somewhat against it. IMO, clones pose too much risk to the life of an individual. You have what is essentially the exact same person co-existing at one time. It just seems too dangerous for the person who has been cloned, as there are about a million ways said clone could ruin their life.

It should be noted that even a clone would likely have a different personality than your own on the basis of what they have experienced. Their fingerprints would also be different.

If clones were widespread then there would likely need to be a rollout of an ID system involving fingerprints to discern originals from clones, and the clones from each other.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu May 21, 2020 3:31 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I've thought much on the subject but I have to say I'm somewhat against it. IMO, clones pose too much risk to the life of an individual. You have what is essentially the exact same person co-existing at one time. It just seems too dangerous for the person who has been cloned, as there are about a million ways said clone could ruin their life.

It should be noted that even a clone would likely have a different personality than your own on the basis of what they have experienced. Their fingerprints would also be different.

If clones were widespread then there would likely need to be a rollout of an ID system involving fingerprints to discern originals from clones, and the clones from each other.


They'd also either be a baby or look rather different since they wouldn't have a lifetime of wear and tear on their bodies and faces.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 21, 2020 3:35 pm

Albrenia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It should be noted that even a clone would likely have a different personality than your own on the basis of what they have experienced. Their fingerprints would also be different.

If clones were widespread then there would likely need to be a rollout of an ID system involving fingerprints to discern originals from clones, and the clones from each other.


They'd also either be a baby or look rather different since they wouldn't have a lifetime of wear and tear on their bodies and faces.

Yes that's another question: would the clones just age normally, so they'd develop from the stage of a baby and thus be constantly behind you in age, making discerning clones from originals a very easy task, or would there be some kind of thing like a maturation chamber where the clone emerged from the cloning process looking the same age as the original?
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Postby Punainen Suomi » Thu May 21, 2020 3:37 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
They'd also either be a baby or look rather different since they wouldn't have a lifetime of wear and tear on their bodies and faces.

Yes that's another question: would the clones just age normally, so they'd develop from the stage of a baby and thus be constantly behind you in age, making discerning clones from originals a very easy task, or would there be some kind of thing like a maturation chamber where the clone emerged from the cloning process looking the same age as the original?

I'm not aware of any method to radically accelerate the ageing process, so I'd assume they would come out as babies.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 21, 2020 3:39 pm

Punainen Suomi wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Yes that's another question: would the clones just age normally, so they'd develop from the stage of a baby and thus be constantly behind you in age, making discerning clones from originals a very easy task, or would there be some kind of thing like a maturation chamber where the clone emerged from the cloning process looking the same age as the original?

I'm not aware of any method to radically accelerate the ageing process, so I'd assume they would come out as babies.

Well I think the thread is keeping open the possibility of future technological developments, so it's a pertinent question on those grounds.
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Postby Punainen Suomi » Thu May 21, 2020 3:44 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Punainen Suomi wrote:I'm not aware of any method to radically accelerate the ageing process, so I'd assume they would come out as babies.

Well I think the thread is keeping open the possibility of future technological developments, so it's a pertinent question on those grounds.

Even if you could, it would create a fair few problems for the clone, such as neural development. How will their brain develop if they are age-accelerated? I't might be possible to artificially grow a body to adulthood, but the brain is a much trickier matter.
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Postby Heloin » Thu May 21, 2020 3:44 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Punainen Suomi wrote:I'm not aware of any method to radically accelerate the ageing process, so I'd assume they would come out as babies.

Well I think the thread is keeping open the possibility of future technological developments, so it's a pertinent question on those grounds.

We unage(deage?) the original person so that the clone and original will seem to be the same age.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 21, 2020 3:47 pm

Punainen Suomi wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Well I think the thread is keeping open the possibility of future technological developments, so it's a pertinent question on those grounds.

Even if you could, it would create a fair few problems for the clone, such as neural development. How will their brain develop if they are age-accelerated? I't might be possible to artificially grow a body to adulthood, but the brain is a much trickier matter.

Dunno. This is a hypothetical world where people are grown in vats, so...
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Postby Kasantia » Thu May 21, 2020 4:00 pm

Kasantia held a referendum about this topic.
In the mainland, the results were 89% against and 11% for.
However in the colonies the results were 67% for and 33% against.

So in Kasantia, the cloning programms are prohibited, but unfortunately, clone-slave trade in the colonies isn't something rare. The government cannot do anything, because those clones were created in foreign countries. But the Kasantian government is trying to reduce this phenomenon

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Postby Last Breath » Thu May 21, 2020 4:03 pm

I don't really see any problem with cloning so long as it is done with the consent of the individual whose genes are being replicated. I can't really see any other moral issues that would emerge.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 21, 2020 4:03 pm

Kasantia wrote:Kasantia held a referendum about this topic.
In the mainland, the results were 89% against and 11% for.
However in the colonies the results were 67% for and 33% against.

So in Kasantia, the cloning programms are prohibited, but unfortunately, clone-slave trade in the colonies isn't something rare. The government cannot do anything, because those clones were created in foreign countries. But the Kasantian government is trying to reduce this phenomenon

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Postby Kasantia » Thu May 21, 2020 4:18 pm

What?

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Postby Atheris » Thu May 21, 2020 4:19 pm

If I had a clone, I'd kill him. I wouldn't want another version of me walking around.
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Postby Last Breath » Thu May 21, 2020 4:20 pm

Kasantia wrote:What?

Out of character, you talk about your real life views, not about your nation.
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Postby Kasantia » Thu May 21, 2020 4:22 pm

Oh ok. Well, I don't like the idea of cloning.

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Postby VVerkia » Thu May 21, 2020 4:22 pm

No

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Kasantia wrote:What?

We don't pretend to be our nations here.
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Postby Kasantia » Thu May 21, 2020 4:26 pm

I realised that bro.

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Postby Jedi Council » Thu May 21, 2020 4:27 pm

Causes too many moral issues. It would probably lead to a situation where clones were considered less human than the "originals," which would create a whole host of issues as well.
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