What is a good Christian?

[Ayro Va]

A social democrat, christian socialist or distributist.

[HIreland]

No.

There's no reason to be against two people of the same sex who love each other being able to marry.

To willfully and intentionally go out of your way to be visibly against such a harmless thing does seem to paint a person as horribly wicked and evil.

Except it isn't harmless. For example, over 30% of child sex abuse cases were perpetrated by LGBTQ individuals, despite making up only 4.5% of the population, 40% of trans individuals have attempted suicide, and among the most corrupt popes of history, many of them were known to be gay, etcetera, etcetera. The bible clearly condemns homosexuality in several verses and for two homosexuals to claim that they are married blasphemes the divine institution of marriage. Not approving of someone else's choices does not make one evil, especially not when those choices are clearly harmful to the person making them and those around them. The rules of the bible are not to make people's lives harder, they are there to help.

[Jedi Council]

There's no reason to be against two people of the same sex who love each other being able to marry.

To willfully and intentionally go out of your way to be visibly against such a harmless thing does seem to paint a person as horribly wicked and evil.

Except it isn't harmless. Fore example, over 30% of child sex abuse cases were perpetrated by LGBTQ individuals, despite making up only 4.5% of the population, 40% of trans individuals have attempted suicide, among the most corrupt popes of history, many of them were known to be gay, etcetera, etcetera. The bible clearly condemns homosexuality in several verses and for two homosexuals to claim that they are married blasphemes the divine institution of marriage. Not approving of someone else's choices does not make one evil, especially not when those choices are clearly harmful to the person making them and those around them. The rules of the bible are not to make people's lives harder, they are there to help.

Glad to know you think I am harmful to society.

Even more glad that the Bible's only real value is literary.

Oh and, do you wanna source any of those claims there?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

No.

There's no reason to be against two people of the same sex who love each other being able to marry.

To willfully and intentionally go out of your way to be visibly against such a harmless thing does seem to paint a person as horribly wicked and evil.

Homophobia in Christianity traces itself from two distinct points:

1. Judaism, which prohibited anal sex which, like pork-eating, was considered unhygienic and believed to spread disease (STDs, most likely) which naturally condemned male-male sex because of the role anal sex played in it.

2. Greco-Roman pagans, who embraced homosexuality openly (male homosexuality incredibly so) and who often persecuted Christians leading to ostracism of many traditional Greco-Roman cultural elements (gladiators, slavery, and many other non-sexual things) as Greco-Roman pagans were considered hedonistic.

Both are why male homosexuality in particular is so heavily condemned why female homosexuality is barely mentioned, as it was much rarer and unlike male homosexuality was never championed or hailed by Roman society. Modern Christians, for the most part, just read the Bible and see Leviticus says it's bad so they assume it's a sin and leave the matter be without bothering to think or research it. This is a problem with any religion that has codified scripture.

[Kannap]

There's no reason to be against two people of the same sex who love each other being able to marry.

To willfully and intentionally go out of your way to be visibly against such a harmless thing does seem to paint a person as horribly wicked and evil.

Except it isn't harmless. For example, over 30% of child sex abuse cases were perpetrated by LGBTQ individuals, despite making up only 4.5% of the population

[Citation needed]

40% of trans individuals have attempted suicide

I wonder if we can conclude why that is.

and among the most corrupt popes of history, many of them were known to be gay.

Doubtful, but [citation needed]

The bible clearly condemns homosexuality in several verses and for two homosexuals to claim that they are married blasphemes the divine institution of marriage.

This is up for debate, I need to dig up an old post about this.

Not approving of someone else's choices does not make one evil

No, but making it clear that you don't approve of their harmless choices, harassing them, attacking them, and stripping them of basic human rights is evil. I mean, I hate jalapenos but I don't make it illegal for people to get jalapenos on their Subway sandwich, nor do I verbally or physically attack them because of it.

especially not when those choices are clearly harmful to the person making them and those around them.

Being gay hasn't done any harm to me or anybody around me, but thanks for for your concern.

The rules of the bible are not to make people's lives harder, they are there to help.

But you're using them to make people's lives harder, curious.

[Baja California Autonoma]

There's no reason to be against two people of the same sex who love each other being able to marry.

To willfully and intentionally go out of your way to be visibly against such a harmless thing does seem to paint a person as horribly wicked and evil.

Except it isn't harmless. For example, over 30% of child sex abuse cases were perpetrated by LGBTQ individuals, despite making up only 4.5% of the population, 40% of trans individuals have attempted suicide, and among the most corrupt popes of history, many of them were known to be gay, etcetera, etcetera. The bible clearly condemns homosexuality in several verses and for two homosexuals to claim that they are married blasphemes the divine institution of marriage. Not approving of someone else's choices does not make one evil, especially not when those choices are clearly harmful to the person making them and those around them. The rules of the bible are not to make people's lives harder, they are there to help.

You are being remarkably prejudiced and selective. Source your bullshit stats otherwise I'm going to assume you made it up.

LGBT suicide is an issue PRECISELY because of people like you in the world.

Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed for sin of inhospitality, because the Angels that came to Lot were in danger, because the people wanted to 'know' them. Know meaning have sex in ancient world, with by force in this situation. In the ancient middle east hospitality was an important virtue. The sin was inhospitality, not homosexuality. I heard this from a Rabbi, I didnt make this up.

No one said you were evil, that's you saying it about others.

You should follow Christ's words and not look for the splinter in your brothers eye and not the log in front of yours. You might also want to judge people less, as though you seem to confuse yourself, you are NOT God!

[Green October Z]

One who loves God and who loves others.

That's how I feel

[Dominioan]

A good christian is someone who isn't a bitch about it and doesn't try to convert me or deny proved and solid science

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed for sin of in hospitality, because the Angel's that came to lot were in danger, because the people wanted to know them. In the ancient middle east hospitality was an important virtue. The sin was inhospitality, not homosexuality.

Uh, no, they wanted to rape them. Hospitality was the least of the problem. The townsfolk were rapists who wanted to rape the angels. Yes it would have been inhospitable for Lot to have given over his guests to be raped, which was what the lesson of that story taught (to be hospitable to guests), but the towns were destroyed for being rape-havens; not because they were rude.

[Jedi Council]

Except it isn't harmless. For example, over 30% of child sex abuse cases were perpetrated by LGBTQ individuals, despite making up only 4.5% of the population, 40% of trans individuals have attempted suicide, and among the most corrupt popes of history, many of them were known to be gay, etcetera, etcetera. The bible clearly condemns homosexuality in several verses and for two homosexuals to claim that they are married blasphemes the divine institution of marriage. Not approving of someone else's choices does not make one evil, especially not when those choices are clearly harmful to the person making them and those around them. The rules of the bible are not to make people's lives harder, they are there to help.

You are being remarkably prejudiced and selective. Source your bullshit stats otherwise I'm going to assume you made it up.

LGBT suicide is an issue PRECISELY because of people like you in the world.

Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed for sin of inhospitality, because the Angels that came to Lot were in danger, because the people wanted to know them. In the ancient middle east hospitality was an important virtue. The sin was inhospitality, not homosexuality. I heard this from a Rabbi, I didnt make this up.

No one said you were evil, that's you saying it about others.

You should follow Christ's words and not look for the splinter in your brothers eye and not the log in front of yours. You might also want to judge people less, as though you seem to confuse yourself, you are NOT God!

I believe the translation if "know" has largely be interpreted as "know them sexually."

[Baja California Autonoma]

Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed for sin of in hospitality, because the Angel's that came to lot were in danger, because the people wanted to know them. In the ancient middle east hospitality was an important virtue. The sin was inhospitality, not homosexuality.

Uh, no, they wanted to rape them. Hospitality was the least of the problem. The townsfolk were rapists who wanted to rape the angels. Yes it would have been inhospitable for Lot to have given over his guests to be raped, which was what the lesson of that story taught (to be hospitable to guests), but the towns were destroyed for being rape-havens; not because they were rude.

Know means have sex with, in this instance by force, rape. To know someone is to have sex with them. I explained that.

If someone comes to your home their safety is in your hands, Lot was protecting the virtue of the Angel's and was of such virtue that he offered his own daughters instead. Please read into inhospitality as anything which would violate the safety of persons in your home and yo not feed, protect them. That's your duty. Inhospitality in THIS way would've been shown to the Angels and insulted God. Which it did. I explained this.

[Neutraligon]

Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed for sin of in hospitality, because the Angel's that came to lot were in danger, because the people wanted to know them. In the ancient middle east hospitality was an important virtue. The sin was inhospitality, not homosexuality.

Uh, no, they wanted to rape them. Hospitality was the least of the problem. The townsfolk were rapists who wanted to rape the angels. Yes it would have been inhospitable for Lot to have given over his guests to be raped, which was what the lesson of that story taught (to be hospitable to guests), but the towns were destroyed for being rape-havens; not because they were rude.

Ezekiel 16:49
Behold this was the iniquity of Sodom your sister: pride, abundance of bread, and careless ease were hers and her daughters', and she did not strengthen the hand of the poor and needy

[Bienenhalde]

A good christian doesn't proselytize nor forces their "morals" on other people. If you don't like abortions, don't have them. If you don't like same sex marriage, don't marry someone from the same sex.

This ^

Feel free to live how you like, but do not expect others, nor judge others, for not following your creed.

That goes for all religions really.

Considering that you are openly hostile to Christianity, why exactly should we care about your opinion? I mean, I know there is no rule against you posting in this thread, but that you can do it doesn't mean that you necessarily should. Christians are not free to live however we like. We are to obey God and love our neighbors.

[Britannia Maior]

It depends on what you mean by “good” Christian. It could be interpreted as either a non-hypocritical Christian who abides by their religion with full spirit and enthusiasm whilst leading a Christly life, while other interpretations could mean that the individual is a Christian who abides by modern social standards and ethics alongside their faith.

Personally I prefer Christians who live like how Christ is idolised or are just genuinely good people who happen to be Christian. I don’t like Christian proselytism, so them not being that kind nor really vocal and judgemental towards others is the kind of Christian I would prefer to interact with over a fundamentalist or, cosmos forbid, an American televangelist kind.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Uh, no, they wanted to rape them. Hospitality was the least of the problem. The townsfolk were rapists who wanted to rape the angels. Yes it would have been inhospitable for Lot to have given over his guests to be raped, which was what the lesson of that story taught (to be hospitable to guests), but the towns were destroyed for being rape-havens; not because they were rude.

Know means have sex with, in this instance by force, rape. To know someone is to have sex with them. I explained that.

Yes but most people won't know that. Hell, I knew that and had completely forgotten.

[Baja California Autonoma]

Know means have sex with, in this instance by force, rape. To know someone is to have sex with them. I explained that.

Yes but most people won't know that. Hell, I knew that and had completely forgotten.

Care to address the passage from Ezekiel provided by Neutralgion?

[Jedi Council]

This ^

Feel free to live how you like, but do not expect others, nor judge others, for not following your creed.

That goes for all religions really.

Considering that you are openly hostile to Christianity, why exactly should we care about your opinion? I mean, I know there is no rule against you posting in this thread, but that you can do it doesn't mean that you necessarily should. Christians are not free to live however we like. We are to obey God and love our neighbors.

The very question this thread was asking what is a good Christian.
I gave my answer as to what I believed a good Christian is. They can live their lives however they see fit, provided it does not impact others.

Whether or not you agree, or care, about my opinion is not my issue, nor would it, or should it, stop me from posting in a thread discussing an issue I find interesting.

And, to be fair, I would not say I am "hostile" a word I also would not use, towards only christianity. I find all religions fairly distasteful.

[Deacarsia]

A good Christian loves the Lord his God with his whole heart, and with his whole soul, and with his whole strength, and loves his neighbor as himself.

[Bienenhalde]

And, to be fair, I would not say I am "hostile" a word I also would not use, towards only christianity. I find all religions fairly distasteful.

Sure, but Christianity is the topic of this particular thread.

[Neanderthaland]

A good Christian loves the Lord his God with his whole heart, and with his whole soul, and with his whole strength, and loves his neighbor as himself.

Unless they post something wrong in the Christian discussion thread.

Then fuck 'em.

[Jedi Council]

And, to be fair, I would not say I am "hostile" a word I also would not use, towards only christianity. I find all religions fairly distasteful.

Sure, but Christianity is the topic of this particular thread.

So?

Why does that mean I should not post my opinion?

[ArenaC]

A good christian doesn't proselytize nor forces their "morals" on other people. If you don't like abortions, don't have them. If you don't like same sex marriage, don't marry someone from the same sex.

^

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Yes but most people won't know that. Hell, I knew that and had completely forgotten.

Care to address the passage from Ezekiel provided by Neutralgion?

I already did. The purpose of the passage is, yes, to encourage people to be neighborly.

That doesn't mean God actually nuked the city for being rude. He nuked them because they were rape-hungry bastards that wanted to rape His angels. If He wanted to nuke cities just for being full of rude douchebags, New York would've been wiped off the map long ago.

[Neutraligon]

Care to address the passage from Ezekiel provided by Neutralgion?

I already did. The purpose of the passage is, yes, to encourage people to be neighborly.

That doesn't mean God actually nuked the city for being rude. He nuked them because they were rape-hungry bastards that wanted to rape His angels. If He wanted to nuke cities just for being full of rude douchebags, New York would've been wiped off the map long ago.

The passage explicitly states why God dealt with Sodom. If god wanted to nuke rape hungry bastards most cults would be nuked as would many churches and cities.

[Nscwabe Kotongo]

A good Christian is a faithful African Christian.

One who fights the white oppressors and exalts and glorifies Africa. One who knows the true colour of Christ's skin.

One who is rich in love, and knows his fellow man is good.