What is a good Christian?

[Baja California Autonoma]

Matthew 7:3
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

Don’t like it when you get a taste of your own medicine do you? Perhaps you ought to apply that verse to yourself!

Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

[Andechs-Sisebut]

Don’t like it when you get a taste of your own medicine do you? Perhaps you ought to apply that verse to yourself!

Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

This applies to you too, you realise?

Take the plank out of your eye before you point out the speck in mine!

[Islands of Washington]

I must say, I feel quite sorry for Green October Z to see what their Thread has become smh.

[Jedi Council]

Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

This applies to you too, you realise?

Take the plank out of your eye before you point out the speck in mine!

Seeing as though this has descended into utter nonsense, perhaps you two should continue this incredibly inane back and forth over telegram.

Or better yet, take a step back, cool off, and come back to the thread with civility and patience.

[The Alma Mater]

This applies to you too, you realise?

Take the plank out of your eye before you point out the speck in mine!

Seeing as though this has descended into utter nonsense, perhaps you two should continue this incredibly inane back and forth over telegram.

Or better yet, take a step back, cool off, and come back to the thread with civility and patience.

Would that make one a good or bad christian ?

[Jedi Council]

Seeing as though this has descended into utter nonsense, perhaps you two should continue this incredibly inane back and forth over telegram.

Or better yet, take a step back, cool off, and come back to the thread with civility and patience.

Would that make one a good or bad christian ?

What would Jesus do?

[The Free Joy State]

Would that make one a good or bad christian ?

What would Jesus do?

"But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also."

Walk away, cool off and be patient is probably good advice.

[The Alma Mater]

Would that make one a good or bad christian ?

What would Jesus do?

Kill a tree for not producting fruit offseason.

[Baja California Autonoma]

What would Jesus do?

"But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also."

Walk away, cool off and be patient is probably good advice.

Understood. Good night.

[Jedi Council]

What would Jesus do?

"But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also."

Walk away, cool off and be patient is probably good advice.

My original post was sarcasm, but I would agree you are probably right

[VVerkia]

What would Jesus do?

Kill a tree for not producting fruit offseason.

I still waiting

[The Alma Mater]

Kill a tree for not producting fruit offseason.

I still waiting

For what ? The tree to produce fruit ?
Good man Not very Jesus-like though, so perhaps not a good christian.

If you mean a source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

[SangMar]

I have to say, having gone through the last several pages of this thread, that if there are ”good Christians” in this thread, they’re sadly a minority.

The vast majority of “devout” Christians in the thread or whatever, are not that. Which makes sense, considering the fact they’re supposedly made in “God’s” image. After all - if you’re choose to model yourself off of a book of fiction, with a childish “deity” who also appears to possess several personality disorders, who is also callous: demonstrated by “His” lack of intervention in the Catholic Church’s child abuse scandals - (which just proves that “God” is a weak, fictional being anyway) - then those people clearly aren’t going to be good human beings. Whether that’s excluding others based on your perceptions of their religious beliefs, using your faith to browbeat others or anything else.

Of course, those people will probably hate the fact that who they worship is just Satan in a white robe. As the people I’ve referenced are much closer to “Devil-worshippers” than good Christians - and though they might be too caught up in their “beliefs” to realise it, it doesn’t make it false.

The good Christians here are the ones being insulted and mocked by members of their own faith - supposedly, and yet still are standing strong and not wavering in their convictions - and also those who are accepting of those Christians who differ from the norm in views.

[Confessional Korea]

I am a Catholic, and you can go shit in your hat.

Well he's right. If you do not affirm the teachings of the Catholic Church then you would not be a Catholic.

The vast majority of “devout” Christians in the thread or whatever, are not that.

Mhm. I'm sure the atheist who used the rest of his paragraph to demonstrate an ignorance of Christian theology knows way better about people's individual spiritual lives than those people themselves :^)

The good Christians here are the ones being insulted and mocked by members of their own faith

Most of the people being "insulted and mocked by members of their own faith" are actually just being informed they are not following their own faith properly.

I'm considering leaving the Catholic Church. Theres too many like you. All the worse for Jesus call to us to evangelize, you seem to be dissuading and shaming people in the striving for Christ.

If you're unwilling to respect the authority of the Church and affirm its teachings because they conflict with your personal beliefs, then you've already left the Church. You cannot be in communion with Rome if you do not submit to the Church, it is as simple as that. Disobedience is a borderline schismatic offence.

[Dylar]

I am a Catholic, and you can go shit in your hat.

Well he's right. If you do not affirm the teachings of the Catholic Church then you would not be a Catholic.

I mean you're kinda right. Although, Kat would still be Catholic. Just one who is not in good standing with the Church.

[Albrenia]

It's kind of sad seeing you Christian folks yelling at each other. Bickering with you guys is us atheist's job. It's like you don't need us at all.

[Dylar]

It's kind of sad seeing you Christian folks yelling at each other. Bickering with you guys is us atheist's job. It's like you don't need us at all.

I mean we've been doing this song and dance for 2000 years with all the different heresies and schisms. And personally I find it more interesting arguing about theological viewpoints than having the sex abuse scandal come up for the umpteenth time in a conversation.

[Confessional Korea]

And even taking the Wager at face value, using its own logic, the likelihood of choosing the right God/Gods is slim to none just because of the sheer number of them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progres ... ristianity

You might be interested in this friend. Not all Christian people are like these people arguing for right beliefs instead of right actions.

"that seeks to reform the faith via the insights of post-modernism and a reclaiming of the truth beyond the verifiable historicity and factuality of the passages in the Bible by affirming the truths within the stories that may not have actually happened."
So it isn't Christian. Its a condemned heresy by the Catholic Church.

I'm sorry, did you say the Pope was wrong?
It's held that when he makes a pronouncement like this, he is infallible.

How do you not know this?

Yes, the Pope is wrong. He is a human being, he can be wrong, and this one often is. John XXII was wrong about the Beatific Vision; if Francis condemns the death penalty as inherently evil, he is wrong and contradicts every Pope before him. This isn’t an infallible pronouncement, so I don’t know where you’re getting that?

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is an exercise of the Ordinary Magisterium, he is not wrong and as a lay Catholic you must be obedient to it - it IS infallible. Church teaching on this issue hasn't changed but it has evolved. In the modern world, there is no place for the death penalty because we have advanced beyond the need for it. It was recognized as necessary for preserving the common good before developments made overtime. And the notion that the death penalty was always affirmed by every pope is wrong. The Church Fathers were split on the issue, some rejected it outright and some enthusiastically supported it. Clement of Rome seemed to imply that a legitimate moral authority could carry it out, but Athenagoras of Athens and Justin Martyr rejected it. The most popular opinion seemed to be that it was morally permissible for a legitimate authority to carry out the death penalty, but righteous for them not to.

[Albrenia]

It's kind of sad seeing you Christian folks yelling at each other. Bickering with you guys is us atheist's job. It's like you don't need us at all.

I mean we've been doing this song and dance for 2000 years with all the different heresies and schisms. And personally I find it more interesting arguing about theological viewpoints than having the sex abuse scandal come up for the umpteenth time in a conversation.

That's fair, I guess.

[SangMar]

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Not bending the knee to a load of bollocks centred about a paedophilia-apologist sky fairy/sadist and its associated faith isn’t “ignorance” - it’s called being a realist.

[Confessional Korea]

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Not bending the knee to a load of bollocks centred about a paedophilia-apologist sky fairy/sadist and its associated faith isn’t “ignorance” - it’s called being a realist.

Not what I said. I said that you're an atheist who demonstrated an ignorance of Christian theology. That ignorance was unrelated to your lack of belief, because there are plenty of atheists who do understand Christian theology. You don't even understand the basics of our faith but you're happy to criticize them. I don't expect anything better from someone who pulls out a line like "sky fairy". The depth of your knowledge is atheist memes and cartoon depictions of God.

[Confessional Korea]

Is abortion even against the Bible?

No, actually. It's not. Especially since there is a passage about "bitter waters" you can look up, oh and about smashing baby's brains out, and paying the husband if one causes the death of their wife's fetus.

There is no passage in the Bible that explicitly bans it, but several about killing firstborns.

This is just plain incorrect. I am yet to find a single Rabbinical commentary that upholds the notion that the "bitter waters" of Numbers 5 causes abortion. On the contrary, Jewish and Christian tradition seems to uphold that it caused infertility among adulterers and rekindled fertility to those who were not.

[SangMar]

Not bending the knee to a load of bollocks centred about a paedophilia-apologist sky fairy/sadist and its associated faith isn’t “ignorance” - it’s called being a realist.

Not what I said. I said that you're an atheist who demonstrated an ignorance of Christian theology. That ignorance was unrelated to your lack of belief, because there are plenty of atheists who do understand Christian theology. You don't even understand the basics of our faith but you're happy to criticize them. I don't expect anything better from someone who pulls out a line like "sky fairy". The depth of your knowledge is atheist memes and cartoon depictions of God.

It’s funny how accuse of me of be ignorant about Christian theology yet pull out the tired line about “atheist memes” and “cartoon depictions” of “God”. I don’t believe that atheists are a monolith, nor do I believe that adherents to faiths are - so for you to think that I get all of my knowledge from memes - which is just a way to deflect criticism anyway, is quite laughable. If you can only go “atheist memes!!!” in response to what I have said, then you’ve already lost the argument.

[Confessional Korea]

Not what I said. I said that you're an atheist who demonstrated an ignorance of Christian theology. That ignorance was unrelated to your lack of belief, because there are plenty of atheists who do understand Christian theology. You don't even understand the basics of our faith but you're happy to criticize them. I don't expect anything better from someone who pulls out a line like "sky fairy". The depth of your knowledge is atheist memes and cartoon depictions of God.

It’s funny how accuse of me of be ignorant about Christian theology yet pull out the tired line about “atheist memes” and “cartoon depictions” of “God”. I don’t believe that atheists are a monolith, nor do I believe that adherents to faiths are - so for you to think that I get all of my knowledge from memes - which is just a way to deflect criticism anyway, is quite laughable. If you can only go “atheist memes!!!” in response to what I have said, then you’ve already lost the argument.

Bringing up stuff like "Sky fairy" to paint that as the Christian notion of God is a demonstration that you do not understand our theology. The belief in an anthropomorphic deity is inherently polytheistic, a phenomenon unique to European paganism. Everything you've brought up re: Christianity is just a pathetic regurgitation of the New Atheist movements talking points, which is why I referred to them as memes.

[SangMar]

It’s funny how accuse of me of be ignorant about Christian theology yet pull out the tired line about “atheist memes” and “cartoon depictions” of “God”. I don’t believe that atheists are a monolith, nor do I believe that adherents to faiths are - so for you to think that I get all of my knowledge from memes - which is just a way to deflect criticism anyway, is quite laughable. If you can only go “atheist memes!!!” in response to what I have said, then you’ve already lost the argument.

Bringing up stuff like "Sky fairy" to paint that as the Christian notion of God is a demonstration that you do not understand our theology. The belief in an anthropomorphic deity is inherently polytheistic, a phenomenon unique to European paganism. Everything you've brought up re: Christianity is just a pathetic regurgitation of the New Atheist movements talking points, which is why I referred to them as memes.

Actually no, “sky fairy” was used in this context as a term of dismissal towards the idea of a believe in a higher power - you can claim that I tried to use that phrase to make it appear that I believed God has a physical form, but then you’d be wrong. Also, I really couldn’t care less about “New Atheist movements” and their talking points - as it might surprise you, but I don’t bother to know what those ‘talking points’ are. I’m really not as invested in atheism as much as you might like to assume. The point remains, if there is a “God” they’re far from good, they’re merely a demon who has billions of people fooled.