What is a good Christian?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Nibba, can you not read lmao. Fucking hell this place tries my patience.

Perhaps if it is too taxing for you you should lie down.

Yeah? Nah

[Salus Maior]

They can disagree all they want, sure. They're not going to be in good standing, though.

I mean, you can ignore the fact that you're automatically excommunicated. That doesn't make you not-excommunicated.

Would a kind, merciful, and benevolent God really be as judgmental and selective as your seemingly strict expectations are?

It seems to be that a being who is as intelligent, is as loving, is as great as the supposed creator of the universe might be a little more flexible, particularly having created humans with free will.

It's not a strict expectation for people to not advocate for murder of innocents. Which is what the Catholic position is.

[Jedi Council]

Would a kind, merciful, and benevolent God really be as judgmental and selective as your seemingly strict expectations are?

It seems to be that a being who is as intelligent, is as loving, is as great as the supposed creator of the universe might be a little more flexible, particularly having created humans with free will.

It's not a strict expectation for people to not advocate for murder of innocents. Which is what the Catholic position is.

That comment was not in reference to murder, nor abortion.

Primarily it was in reference to you saying those Catholics who take Birth control would not be in good standing.

[Salus Maior]

My question still hasn't been answered, so I'll ask again. Wouldn't this question be better asked in the CDT? I feel like it would at least be more "civil" there.

The CDT is an echo chamber. So if with civil you mean "everyone would agree with me" - yes, it would be more civil.

You know, just because you get BTFO'd out of the CDT whenever you make edge-posts doesn't make it an echo chamber.

[Salus Maior]

It's not a strict expectation for people to not advocate for murder of innocents. Which is what the Catholic position is.

That comment was not in reference to murder, nor abortion.

Primarily it was in reference to you saying those Catholics who take Birth control would not be in good standing.

I meant abortion.

You don't get auto-excommunicated for using non-abortafacient contraception.

[South Odreria 2]

Kat's a better Christian than me. I doubt Kat has ever wavered from worshiping the Lord, and if she has, she certainly never acts like it. What you need to be a true Christian is to treat others with respect, obey the Trinity and the Father's commandments, and just generally not be a dick. You're failing at two of those, and just generally being a hypocrite. Kat's doing all three. Shush.

>Kats a better Christian
I mean, whether she is a Christian is in doubt so... X for doubt

>Doubt that Kat has ever wavered in worshiping the Lord
Can’t say much on this because he utter lack of posts about worshiping God

> treat others with respect, obey the Trinity and the Father's commandments, and just generally not be a dick
First one is meh in her part, second one she definitely doesn’t do no doubt, and the last one is retarded

I would like to observe that this kind of post is not ok.

[Jedi Council]

That comment was not in reference to murder, nor abortion.

Primarily it was in reference to you saying those Catholics who take Birth control would not be in good standing.

I meant abortion.

You don't get auto-excommunicated for using non-abortafacient contraception.

Progress of a kind I suppose

[FelrikTheDeleted]

It was a long time ago, so I wouldn’t expect you to remember it

I can generally recall all the arguments that have been thrown at me in the various iterations of the thread. I remember somebody called me a lunatic once in the most recently locked iteration, I think that was Hakons...

But not that. Did they invite me over to the CDT in order to 'eviscerate' my position? Generally if I bring up any kind of thing for Christianity it is specifically for the purpose of pointing out historical inconsistencies when folks say 'IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY' when in all actually it was not.

In a similar vein, perceptions of what makes a 'Good Christian' change over time, though some people are more resistant to change than others.

Sounds like something Hakon’s would say, could be someone else tho, I don’t have a collection of links to the pages.

No, I think it was on the Abortion thread, though I’m sure the same argument has been had on the CDT.

It’s been pretty consistent in the Catholic Church lmao

[Godular]

That comment was not in reference to murder, nor abortion.

Primarily it was in reference to you saying those Catholics who take Birth control would not be in good standing.

I meant abortion.

You don't get auto-excommunicated for using non-abortafacient contraception.

Soooo, they're fine with condoms and the pill?

[Salus Maior]

My question still hasn't been answered, so I'll ask again. Wouldn't this question be better asked in the CDT? I feel like it would at least be more "civil" there.

tbh this thread should be merged into the CDT for good measure.

Honestly, I think this thread should just not continue.

It's not constructive and everyone is just pissed off.

[The Alma Mater]

The CDT is an echo chamber. So if with civil you mean "everyone would agree with me" - yes, it would be more civil.

You know, just because you get BTFO'd out of the CDT whenever you make edge-posts doesn't make it an echo chamber.

True, that does not.

[Salus Maior]

I meant abortion.

You don't get auto-excommunicated for using non-abortafacient contraception.

Soooo, they're fine with condoms and the pill?

They're not. You just don't get auto-excommunicated.

Excommunication is for doing things that are about the worst things possible you can do as a Catholic.

[South Odreria 2]

I meant abortion.

You don't get auto-excommunicated for using non-abortafacient contraception.

Soooo, they're fine with condoms and the pill?

Here's the answer you're looking for:

I meant abortion.

You don't get auto-excommunicated for using non-abortafacient contraception.

[Aeritai]

tbh this thread should be merged into the CDT for good measure.

Honestly, I think this thread should just not continue.

It's not constructive and everyone is just pissed off.

Agreed

[Godular]

tbh this thread should be merged into the CDT for good measure.

Honestly, I think this thread should just not continue.

It's not constructive and everyone is just pissed off.

Amusingly, I have to agree. It does seem to be causing a number of folks to behave in a rather supercilious manner.

*checks to see if 'supercilious' was used correctly*

Woo!

[Katganistan]

While a tangent better suited for the abortion thread perhaps - why does this order exist ? What is the scriptural justification; or is a more a matter of "we are Catholics, we say so" ?

There are also plenty of people who have some disagreement with some part of the Catholic Church. I mean a great many Catholics support the use of contraceptives.

Even the pope had stated in the face of the Zika virus that preventing pregnancy was not evil and that African nuns were allowed to distribute contraceptives in the case of rape.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Honestly, I think this thread should just not continue.

It's not constructive and everyone is just pissed off.

I agree. "What is a good X" is a bad question for NationStates, because those who aren't X may post their views, which may come across as condescending, ignorant, or in bad faith. I can just imagine the shit-show if we had a "What is a good communist" thread, for example.

[Salus Maior]

Honestly, I think this thread should just not continue.

It's not constructive and everyone is just pissed off.

Amusingly, I have to agree. It does seem to be causing a number of folks to behave in a rather supercilious manner.

*checks to see if 'supercilious' was used correctly*

Woo!

We're all on edge because of the quarantine and current events. None of us here are our best selves.

[South Odreria 2]

Well before things either end or get salvaged, a good Christian is someone who worships Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the savior of humanity and does their best to be like him.

[Salus Maior]

There are also plenty of people who have some disagreement with some part of the Catholic Church. I mean a great many Catholics support the use of contraceptives.

was
Even the pope had stated in the face of the Zika virus that preventing pregnancy was not evil and that African nuns were allowed to distribute contraceptives in the case of rape.

I don't suppose you can actually source that?

[Jedi Council]

was
Even the pope had stated in the face of the Zika virus that preventing pregnancy was not evil and that African nuns were allowed to distribute contraceptives in the case of rape.

I don't suppose you can actually source that?

Voila

[Godular]

Amusingly, I have to agree. It does seem to be causing a number of folks to behave in a rather supercilious manner.

*checks to see if 'supercilious' was used correctly*

Woo!

We're all on edge because of the quarantine and current events. None of us here are our best selves.

Shoo, we're getting in to summer, which is my natural hibernation period. I'm like an anti-bear.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

was
Even the pope had stated in the face of the Zika virus that preventing pregnancy was not evil and that African nuns were allowed to distribute contraceptives in the case of rape.

I don't suppose you can actually source that?

Probably one of the hundred or so articles that misquote or misappropriate what the Holy Father said.

[South Odreria 2]

was
Even the pope had stated in the face of the Zika virus that preventing pregnancy was not evil and that African nuns were allowed to distribute contraceptives in the case of rape.

I don't suppose you can actually source that?

May I introduce you to google
https://www.catholicnews.com/services/e ... e-says.cfm

[Jedi Council]

I don't suppose you can actually source that?

Probably one of the hundred or so articles that misquote or misappropriate what the Holy Father said.

Feel free to judge for yourself