NATION

PASSWORD

What is a good Christian?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
The Federal Government of Iowa
Diplomat
 
Posts: 723
Founded: Oct 17, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Tue May 19, 2020 9:32 am

Diopolis wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Limbo, what a load of junk.
There is NOTHING in the Bible that suggests that exists. Everyone goes directly to heaven or hell
Remember the story of the Women at the well. Jesus offered her water that would make her never thirst again, which was just referring to salvation and forgiveness, not literal water.

So you believe that unbaptized babies go directly to hell?

No, directly to heaven.
Right-leaning American Christian. Guns are fun. Space is fun too.
gender and biology are the same thing, sorry
I respect your right to ruin your life, but I don't have to celebrate it

"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!"- Romans 1: 21-25

User avatar
Diopolis
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17734
Founded: May 15, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Diopolis » Tue May 19, 2020 9:36 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Diopolis wrote:So you believe that unbaptized babies go directly to hell?

No, directly to heaven.

So replacing the bible with sentimentality.
Texas nationalist, right-wing technocrat, radical social conservative, post-liberal.

User avatar
Confessional Korea
Attaché
 
Posts: 97
Founded: Mar 12, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Confessional Korea » Tue May 19, 2020 9:38 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Confessional Korea wrote:Well I mean Limbo's existence isn't suggested, it is directly affirmed in the Bible. See: the Harrowing of Hell.

Direct verses, please

Acts 2:27 and 2:31, 1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6.
The Republic of Korea // Daehanguk // 대한국 // 大韓國
An AltHis Korea that adopted
Christianity and has been unified
for almost five decades. A global
economic giant and regional power.

User avatar
New Edom
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 23241
Founded: Mar 14, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby New Edom » Tue May 19, 2020 9:54 am

HIreland wrote:It seems New Edom has the best idea of what makes a christian, which is ironic considering the role of the Edomites in the bible.

Thanks. The irony does not escape me.
"The three articles of Civil Service faith: it takes longer to do things quickly, it's far more expensive to do things cheaply, and it's more democratic to do things in secret." - Jim Hacker "Yes Minister"

User avatar
The Federal Government of Iowa
Diplomat
 
Posts: 723
Founded: Oct 17, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The Federal Government of Iowa » Tue May 19, 2020 9:55 am

Confessional Korea wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Direct verses, please

Acts 2:27 and 2:31, 1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6.

I don't see how these confirm the existence of Limbo.
Right-leaning American Christian. Guns are fun. Space is fun too.
gender and biology are the same thing, sorry
I respect your right to ruin your life, but I don't have to celebrate it

"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!"- Romans 1: 21-25

User avatar
Heloin
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26091
Founded: Mar 30, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Heloin » Tue May 19, 2020 10:05 am

A good christian isn't a dick about it.

User avatar
Dumb Ideologies
Post Czar
 
Posts: 45984
Founded: Sep 30, 2007
Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 19, 2020 10:14 am

Believe, say, and do exactly what's convenient to your personal material interest, but claim the Bible told you to and cherrypick a few Bible verses that sound like they might agree. For a real zealot move, put "Christian" in front of your ideological label of choice. Cruise control for the soul, baby!
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
★彡 Professional pessimist. Reactionary socialist and gamer liberationist. Coffee addict. Fun at parties 彡★
Freedom is when people agree with you, and the more people you can force to act like they agree the freer society is
You are the trolley problem's conductor. You could stop the train in time but you do not. Nobody knows you're part of the equation. You satisfy your bloodlust and get away with it every time

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59293
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue May 19, 2020 10:21 am

A good christian gives Huskar all their money.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020



I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.


User avatar
Kathol Rift
Diplomat
 
Posts: 720
Founded: Mar 12, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Kathol Rift » Tue May 19, 2020 10:26 am

Heloin wrote:A good christian isn't a dick about it.

That’s the best answer I’ve seen so far.
Hot Girls Vote

I drive wee-woo wagon and professionally distribute band-aids. For some ungodly reason they trusted me with drugs and I am using them to hijack my own gender.

As the top of the sig says. Singularity technology and Juggernaut military by The Pacific Standards. We're good now, sort of.

This nation was developed under the influence of metal

User avatar
VVerkia
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 181
Founded: Mar 01, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby VVerkia » Tue May 19, 2020 10:45 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Believe, say, and do exactly what's convenient to your personal material interest, but claim the Bible told you to and cherrypick a few Bible verses that sound like they might agree. For a real zealot move, put "Christian" in front of your ideological label of choice. Cruise control for the soul, baby!

That's what happened during "Temptation of Jesus"

User avatar
Dylar
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7116
Founded: Jan 07, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Dylar » Tue May 19, 2020 11:28 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:A good christian gives Huskar all their money.

Instructions unclear, sent all my money to Paradox Interactive instead
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.

Pro: Life, Catholic, religious freedom, guns
Against: gun control, abortion, militant atheism
Interests: Video Games, Military History, Catholic theology, Sci-Fi, and Table-Top Miniatures games
Favorite music genres: Metal, Drinking songs, Polka, Military Marches, Hardbass, and Movie/Video Game soundtracks

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59293
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue May 19, 2020 11:30 am

Dylar wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:A good christian gives Huskar all their money.

Instructions unclear, sent all my money to Paradox Interactive instead

Damn it.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020



I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.


User avatar
Confessional Korea
Attaché
 
Posts: 97
Founded: Mar 12, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Confessional Korea » Tue May 19, 2020 11:31 am

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Confessional Korea wrote:Acts 2:27 and 2:31, 1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6.

I don't see how these confirm the existence of Limbo.

Acts 2:27 and 2:31 declare that hell couldn't hold Christ, meaning He had went to hell at one point.
1 Peter 3:19-20 says that Jesus "went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison, who in former times did not obey, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah…"
1 Peter 4:6 says the Gospel was "proclaimed even to the dead…"
The Republic of Korea // Daehanguk // 대한국 // 大韓國
An AltHis Korea that adopted
Christianity and has been unified
for almost five decades. A global
economic giant and regional power.

User avatar
HIreland
Envoy
 
Posts: 221
Founded: Jan 22, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby HIreland » Tue May 19, 2020 11:43 am

Confessional Korea wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:I don't see how these confirm the existence of Limbo.

Acts 2:27 and 2:31 declare that hell couldn't hold Christ, meaning He had went to hell at one point.
1 Peter 3:19-20 says that Jesus "went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison, who in former times did not obey, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah…"
1 Peter 4:6 says the Gospel was "proclaimed even to the dead…"

The spirits in prison is referring to the demons (who fell in the days of Noah), obviously Jesus wasn't preaching to them but simply announcing that it had been accomplished, and they had lost.
It wouldn't really fit for spirits in purgatory because purgatory would contain faithful men who couldn't go to heaven because they hadn't been baptized, like everyone who died before Jesus' ministry.
"Joe Steele had but one liver to give for his country, and manfully kept up." — Joe Steele by Harry Turtledove
The brewery of the cell: Government funds project to gene-splice human and yeast mitochondria | Bright stage lights and high blood alcohol count revealed to be responsible for bartender general's spontaneous combustion | Ship runs ashore after crew suffocates in methane cloud produced by HIreland's sewage swamps | Drunken-most's teleprompter hacked, reads speech denouncing own lack of personal hygiene

User avatar
Dylar
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7116
Founded: Jan 07, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Dylar » Tue May 19, 2020 11:54 am

HIreland wrote:
Confessional Korea wrote:Acts 2:27 and 2:31 declare that hell couldn't hold Christ, meaning He had went to hell at one point.
1 Peter 3:19-20 says that Jesus "went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison, who in former times did not obey, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah…"
1 Peter 4:6 says the Gospel was "proclaimed even to the dead…"

The spirits in prison is referring to the demons (who fell in the days of Noah), obviously Jesus wasn't preaching to them but simply announcing that it had been accomplished, and they had lost.
It wouldn't really fit for spirits in purgatory because purgatory would contain faithful men who couldn't go to heaven because they hadn't been baptized, like everyone who died before Jesus' ministry.

That's not what Purgatory is. Purgatory is a state of purification prior to being accepted into Heaven.
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.

Pro: Life, Catholic, religious freedom, guns
Against: gun control, abortion, militant atheism
Interests: Video Games, Military History, Catholic theology, Sci-Fi, and Table-Top Miniatures games
Favorite music genres: Metal, Drinking songs, Polka, Military Marches, Hardbass, and Movie/Video Game soundtracks

User avatar
HIreland
Envoy
 
Posts: 221
Founded: Jan 22, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby HIreland » Tue May 19, 2020 12:01 pm

Dylar wrote:
HIreland wrote:The spirits in prison is referring to the demons (who fell in the days of Noah), obviously Jesus wasn't preaching to them but simply announcing that it had been accomplished, and they had lost.
It wouldn't really fit for spirits in purgatory because purgatory would contain faithful men who couldn't go to heaven because they hadn't been baptized, like everyone who died before Jesus' ministry.

That's not what Purgatory is. Purgatory is a state of purification prior to being accepted into Heaven.

Even so, the scripture would not fit, because Purgatory would still contain the souls of those who were not disobedient to god. How long would you think people would have to wait that two thousand years later spirits from the days of Noah would still be in purgatory?
"Joe Steele had but one liver to give for his country, and manfully kept up." — Joe Steele by Harry Turtledove
The brewery of the cell: Government funds project to gene-splice human and yeast mitochondria | Bright stage lights and high blood alcohol count revealed to be responsible for bartender general's spontaneous combustion | Ship runs ashore after crew suffocates in methane cloud produced by HIreland's sewage swamps | Drunken-most's teleprompter hacked, reads speech denouncing own lack of personal hygiene

User avatar
Confessional Korea
Attaché
 
Posts: 97
Founded: Mar 12, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Confessional Korea » Tue May 19, 2020 12:06 pm

HIreland wrote:
Dylar wrote:That's not what Purgatory is. Purgatory is a state of purification prior to being accepted into Heaven.

Even so, the scripture would not fit, because Purgatory would still contain the souls of those who were not disobedient to god. How long would you think people would have to wait that two thousand years later spirits from the days of Noah would still be in purgatory?

Yes the scripture wouldn't fit because I wasn't talking about purgatory, I was talking about Limbo of the Patriarchs.
The Republic of Korea // Daehanguk // 대한국 // 大韓國
An AltHis Korea that adopted
Christianity and has been unified
for almost five decades. A global
economic giant and regional power.

User avatar
HIreland
Envoy
 
Posts: 221
Founded: Jan 22, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby HIreland » Tue May 19, 2020 12:14 pm

Confessional Korea wrote:
HIreland wrote:Even so, the scripture would not fit, because Purgatory would still contain the souls of those who were not disobedient to god. How long would you think people would have to wait that two thousand years later spirits from the days of Noah would still be in purgatory?

Yes the scripture wouldn't fit because I wasn't talking about purgatory, I was talking about Limbo of the Patriarchs.

Ah, wonderful, what I was talking about the first time 'round and just got the name wrong. Original point still applies.
"Joe Steele had but one liver to give for his country, and manfully kept up." — Joe Steele by Harry Turtledove
The brewery of the cell: Government funds project to gene-splice human and yeast mitochondria | Bright stage lights and high blood alcohol count revealed to be responsible for bartender general's spontaneous combustion | Ship runs ashore after crew suffocates in methane cloud produced by HIreland's sewage swamps | Drunken-most's teleprompter hacked, reads speech denouncing own lack of personal hygiene

User avatar
Farnhamia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 112546
Founded: Jun 20, 2006
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 19, 2020 12:16 pm

Sanctorum Militum wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Idk man maybe people wouldn't be so hostile to you lot if you weren't so nasty to other groups.


Smh, doesn't take much to realize how Western Civilization reached its current moribund state with urinary flaps like yourself representing it.

*** Warned for flaming ***
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
This is the eighth line. If your signature is longer, it's too long.

User avatar
Kannap
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 67469
Founded: May 07, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kannap » Tue May 19, 2020 1:49 pm

Sundiata wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Then I guess Christians who are against gay marriage are not good Christians.

Fine by me :)

No.


There's no reason to be against two people of the same sex who love each other being able to marry.

To willfully and intentionally go out of your way to be visibly against such a harmless thing does seem to paint a person as horribly wicked and evil.
Last edited by Kannap on Tue May 19, 2020 1:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
T H E M O U N T A I N S A R E C A L L I N G A N D I M U S T G O
G A Y S I N C E 1 9 9 7
.::The List of National Sports::.
27 years old, gay demisexual, they/them agnostic, North Carolinian. Pumpkin Spice everything.
TET's resident red panda
Red Panda Network
Jill Stein 2024

User avatar
Trollzyn the Infinite
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5496
Founded: Aug 22, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue May 19, 2020 2:03 pm

Not me, that's for sure. Though I try to be it just isn't that easy.

If you want to know what a "Good Christian" looks like, look at the kindest person you know. The person with the most compassion, the most empathy, the most good will toward his or her fellow Man. That is what a "Good Christian" looks like. It's not about prayer, it's not about church attendance, it's not about any of that junk and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. In order to be a "Good Christian", you must first be a good person. Being a good person makes you a "Good Christian" by default. It doesn't even matter if you accept Christ or not, as long as you are a good person then you are by definition a "Good Christian" because they are one in the same. Christ came to teach us to be good to one another. He came to teach this to the world. Not just Jews, but everyone. By being a good person you are being a "Good Christian" and in order to be a "Good Christian" you must be a good person.

I'd like to say I'm a good person, but often times I'm really not. I can be rude and nasty, judgemental, selfish, etc. It's not easy being good to your fellow Man especially when your fellow Man refuses to be good to you. I'm not a "Good Christian" for that reason. We can't all be "Good Christians", but we can all try to be. And the first and only step to being a "Good Christian" is by being a good person. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Be good, do good, and you are a "Good Christian" no matter what.

I only hope one day I can be one.
☆ American Patriot ☆ Civic Nationalist ☆ Rocker & Metalhead ☆ Heretical Christian ☆
"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right."

Reminder that Donald J. Trump is officially a traitor to the United States of America as of January 6th, 2021
The Paradox of Tolerance
永远不会忘记1989年6月4日天安门广场大屠杀
Ես Արցախի կողքին եմ
Wanted Fugitive of the Chinese Communist Party
Unapologetic stan for Lana Beniko - #1 Sith Waifu

User avatar
Dylar
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7116
Founded: Jan 07, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Dylar » Tue May 19, 2020 2:07 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Not me, that's for sure. Though I try to be it just isn't that easy.

If you want to know what a "Good Christian" looks like, look at the kindest person you know. The person with the most compassion, the most empathy, the most good will toward his or her fellow Man. That is what a "Good Christian" looks like. It's not about prayer, it's not about church attendance, it's not about any of that junk and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. In order to be a "Good Christian", you must first be a good person. Being a good person makes you a "Good Christian" by default. It doesn't even matter if you accept Christ or not, as long as you are a good person then you are by definition a "Good Christian" because they are one in the same. Christ came to teach us to be good to one another. He came to teach this to the world. Not just Jews, but everyone. By being a good person you are being a "Good Christian" and in order to be a "Good Christian" you must be a good person.

I'd like to say I'm a good person, but often times I'm really not. I can be rude and nasty, judgemental, selfish, etc. It's not easy being good to your fellow Man especially when your fellow Man refuses to be good to you. I'm not a "Good Christian" for that reason. We can't all be "Good Christians", but we can all try to be. And the first and only step to being a "Good Christian" is by being a good person. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Be good, do good, and you are a "Good Christian" no matter what.

I only hope one day I can be one.

Okay, I'm confused. How can you be Christian and not accept Christ?
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.

Pro: Life, Catholic, religious freedom, guns
Against: gun control, abortion, militant atheism
Interests: Video Games, Military History, Catholic theology, Sci-Fi, and Table-Top Miniatures games
Favorite music genres: Metal, Drinking songs, Polka, Military Marches, Hardbass, and Movie/Video Game soundtracks

User avatar
Trollzyn the Infinite
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5496
Founded: Aug 22, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue May 19, 2020 2:10 pm

Dylar wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Not me, that's for sure. Though I try to be it just isn't that easy.

If you want to know what a "Good Christian" looks like, look at the kindest person you know. The person with the most compassion, the most empathy, the most good will toward his or her fellow Man. That is what a "Good Christian" looks like. It's not about prayer, it's not about church attendance, it's not about any of that junk and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. In order to be a "Good Christian", you must first be a good person. Being a good person makes you a "Good Christian" by default. It doesn't even matter if you accept Christ or not, as long as you are a good person then you are by definition a "Good Christian" because they are one in the same. Christ came to teach us to be good to one another. He came to teach this to the world. Not just Jews, but everyone. By being a good person you are being a "Good Christian" and in order to be a "Good Christian" you must be a good person.

I'd like to say I'm a good person, but often times I'm really not. I can be rude and nasty, judgemental, selfish, etc. It's not easy being good to your fellow Man especially when your fellow Man refuses to be good to you. I'm not a "Good Christian" for that reason. We can't all be "Good Christians", but we can all try to be. And the first and only step to being a "Good Christian" is by being a good person. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Be good, do good, and you are a "Good Christian" no matter what.

I only hope one day I can be one.

Okay, I'm confused. How can you be Christian and not accept Christ?


You can't, and I didn't say you could. Read again.
☆ American Patriot ☆ Civic Nationalist ☆ Rocker & Metalhead ☆ Heretical Christian ☆
"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right."

Reminder that Donald J. Trump is officially a traitor to the United States of America as of January 6th, 2021
The Paradox of Tolerance
永远不会忘记1989年6月4日天安门广场大屠杀
Ես Արցախի կողքին եմ
Wanted Fugitive of the Chinese Communist Party
Unapologetic stan for Lana Beniko - #1 Sith Waifu

User avatar
Jedi Council
Senator
 
Posts: 4270
Founded: Jan 01, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Jedi Council » Tue May 19, 2020 2:15 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:A good christian doesn't proselytize nor forces their "morals" on other people. If you don't like abortions, don't have them. If you don't like same sex marriage, don't marry someone from the same sex.

This ^

Feel free to live how you like, but do not expect others, nor judge others, for not following your creed.

That goes for all religions really.
New Liberal | Humanist
Surfing NS Since 2013
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Jedi Council is in fact, the big gay... The lord of all gays.

User avatar
Green October Z
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1011
Founded: May 05, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Green October Z » Tue May 19, 2020 2:16 pm

Risottia wrote:
Green October Z wrote:Tell me NSers, what do you think being a good Christian means?

A good person that is ALSO a Christian.


Very well said!
Made in America from Vietnamese parts!
History doesn't lie, communism kills!
Alignment: Chaotic Good
China lied, people died!

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Aadhiris, Bombadil, ImSaLiA, Serconas, Statesburg, The Two Jerseys

Advertisement

Remove ads