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What would the result be?

Chinese Victory, Indian Defeat
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39%
Indian Victory, Chinese Defeat
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12%
Chinese Tactical Victory, Strategic Defeat
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24%
Indian Tactical Victory, Strategic Defeat
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6%
Don't Know/Inconclusive
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19%
 
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:46 am

They just had a violent clash on the border, several soldiers reported killed

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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:33 am

Bad news ,big news.CCTV actually reprinted Reuters news without saying anything by themselves.Pakistan's fighting India, too.Nepal reported on India's cross-border activities and revised the map.
One Indian officer and two soldiers were killed and 11 injured.Casualties also exist in China, details are unknown.It's strange that the Indian media are all covering this, and the Chinese media have not said anything.
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Postby The Hindustani State » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:08 am

CHINA JUST KILLED INDIAN SOLDIERS
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The Hindustani State wrote:CHINA JUST KILLED INDIAN SOLDIERS

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Postby Deltia- » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:19 am

I will assume there's no allies and no nukes

I would say India at first due to the fact a huge chunk of their population lives closer to the border,so they will have more army bases nearby. However the Sino-Indian border is mainly comprised of the Himalayas. That makes any significant push close to impossible. China will soon reverse Indian troops once reinforcements arrive, if the initial Chinese force isn't enough, and take back whatever paltry gains India makes. India has the advantage of most Chinese shipping passing only a small-to-medium distance from its coast, making it easy to harass Chinese shipping, along with the fact that China has not proven its ability to project naval power far from its coasts.
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Postby Minskiev » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:32 am

Considering it is only India and China, and there are no foreign nations involved, at all, meaning no rebels, no allies, no running around Thailand, nothing, it’d likely be a Pyrrhic victory for China.

However, if it was realistic, Pakistan would declare on India, Tibet would rise up, causing Xinjiang and possibly Manchuria to do so as well, then Russia might get involved, and then NATO would, you get the point.

So, simply India and China, assuming Tibet allows millions of Chinese soldiers cross their land without resistance, the Chinese would likely just try and breach a point and pile through. The Indians would then use the Himalayas to murder the Chinese, but there are a LOT of Chinese soldiers, with better technology, and far higher industrial capabilities. If India somehow got like the US to blockade the Chinese Seas, then China would be screwed. However, since it’s only India and China, it’s impossible. So, final answer is pyrrhic “victory” for China.
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Postby Cameroi » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:36 am

when the day comes, if it hasn't already, when india and china have replaced russia and the u.s., it will be the same kind of perpetual cold war standoff.
and that will continue until something else replaces it. maybe star trek and klingons?

better yet, maybe someday humans will wake up and realize we don't need these kind of hostile dichotomies.
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Postby Deltia- » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:37 am

Minskiev wrote:Considering it is only India and China, and there are no foreign nations involved, at all, meaning no rebels, no allies, no running around Thailand, nothing, it’d likely be a Pyrrhic victory for China.

However, if it was realistic, Pakistan would declare on India, Tibet would rise up, causing Xinjiang and possibly Manchuria to do so as well, then Russia might get involved, and then NATO would, you get the point.

So, simply India and China, assuming Tibet allows millions of Chinese soldiers cross their land without resistance, the Chinese would likely just try and breach a point and pile through. The Indians would then use the Himalayas to murder the Chinese, but there are a LOT of Chinese soldiers, with better technology, and far higher industrial capabilities. If India somehow got like the US to blockade the Chinese Seas, then China would be screwed. However, since it’s only India and China, it’s impossible. So, final answer is pyrrhic “victory” for China.


Manchuria is pretty much Han Chinese no, and uyghurs are no longer the absolute majority in Sinkiang.
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Postby Minskiev » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:46 am

Yeah I was pretty doubtful on Manchuria, and considering the other Turkic nations are also in CSTO? Xinjiang is probably unlikely. But Tibet’s 100% not going to let the Chinese invade them. Hong Kong will rise to, and who knows about the Middle East?
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:00 am

The Hindustani State wrote:CHINA JUST KILLED INDIAN SOLDIERS


Reports are now that at least 3 Indian and 5 PRC soldiers are dead.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 404289.cms

Shit just got real. Although I do not expect this to become an full scale war, and will probably result in a temporary truce, there is risk of serious conflict that is not going away.

Although again the PRC is being stupid here, they do not have the men and money to challenge the US for naval dominance and India for land dominance at the same time. The PRC are already outnumbered by India in terms of ground troops.
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Postby Aureumterra » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:08 am

Novus America wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:CHINA JUST KILLED INDIAN SOLDIERS


Reports are now that at least 3 Indian and 5 PRC soldiers are dead.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 404289.cms

Shit just got real. Although I do not expect this to become an full scale war, and will probably result in a temporary truce, there is risk of serious conflict that is not going away.

Although again the PRC is being stupid here, they do not have the men and money to challenge the US for naval dominance and India for land dominance at the same time. The PRC are already outnumbered by India in terms of ground troops.

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Postby Free Northwest Sovereign » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:11 am

The Hindustani State wrote:CHINA JUST KILLED INDIAN SOLDIERS

I swear 2020 is trying to make every hypothetical I think about come true. We already had a flu pandemic and now they started a conflict. What next? US civil war?

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Postby Atheris » Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:53 pm

Deltia- wrote:
Minskiev wrote:Considering it is only India and China, and there are no foreign nations involved, at all, meaning no rebels, no allies, no running around Thailand, nothing, it’d likely be a Pyrrhic victory for China.

However, if it was realistic, Pakistan would declare on India, Tibet would rise up, causing Xinjiang and possibly Manchuria to do so as well, then Russia might get involved, and then NATO would, you get the point.

So, simply India and China, assuming Tibet allows millions of Chinese soldiers cross their land without resistance, the Chinese would likely just try and breach a point and pile through. The Indians would then use the Himalayas to murder the Chinese, but there are a LOT of Chinese soldiers, with better technology, and far higher industrial capabilities. If India somehow got like the US to blockade the Chinese Seas, then China would be screwed. However, since it’s only India and China, it’s impossible. So, final answer is pyrrhic “victory” for China.


Manchuria is pretty much Han Chinese no, and uyghurs are no longer the absolute majority in Sinkiang.

I wonder why.
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Free Northwest Sovereign wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:CHINA JUST KILLED INDIAN SOLDIERS

I swear 2020 is trying to make every hypothetical I think about come true. We already had a flu pandemic and now they started a conflict. What next? US civil war?


It's like when Gozer demanded that the Ghostbusters "choose the form of the Destructor", but now everyone on the planet has a hand in choosing.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:56 pm

La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:
Free Northwest Sovereign wrote:I swear 2020 is trying to make every hypothetical I think about come true. We already had a flu pandemic and now they started a conflict. What next? US civil war?


It's like when Gozer demanded that the Ghostbusters "choose the form of the Destructor", but now everyone on the planet has a hand in choosing.

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Postby Arshanid Deccan » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:07 pm

It would really be inconclusive or simply a war of aggression. It would result in little to no territorial changes and assuming no other country gets involved, both wouldn't be able to get any leverage or long lasting momentum against each other. Both have huge military arsenals and manpower and as far as a land war goes neither side would be able get the upperhand in the Himalayas. Both have an airforce worthy of competition against each other, but dogfights would'nt get them anywhere and attacking economical strongholds would be very difficult as major economical hubs are quite far from the border. A naval conflict is unlikely as it is virtually impossible for either side to get into conflict range with their counterpart because of the Indonesian Islands that separates the Chinese Pacific with the Indian Ocean. Neither would use their nukes because of deterrence. Both countries have territorial disputes in the region, Chinese military presence would be facing problems with land supplies in Tibet and India may face problems in Kashmir. It may be more severe for India as the current BJP/RSS government's recent actions have made Indians from Kashmir to Kerala rise up and oppose the central government and therefore lose public support.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:48 pm

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:Bad news ,big news.CCTV actually reprinted Reuters news without saying anything by themselves.Pakistan's fighting India, too.Nepal reported on India's cross-border activities and revised the map.
One Indian officer and two soldiers were killed and 11 injured.Casualties also exist in China, details are unknown.It's strange that the Indian media are all covering this, and the Chinese media have not said anything.


Chinese media has to wait for orders from the CCP before they can report anything. Though I am surprised China hasn't used this as a pretext for gathering more lebensraum.
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Postby Dominioan » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:53 pm

China. But I don't think there would be a war.
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