Extraterrestrial Discussion Thread

[Shanghai industrial complex]

..and Farnhamia became death, destroyer of worlds.

Not me, silly. I was working in a USO canteen in Los Angeles in July of 1945.

1945?MIB,where is MIB?I suspect there's an alien spy here

[Ifreann]

Such as?

Any civilization that has advanced enough to have mastered space travel is going to find our little planet incredibly primitive.

And we know this based on polling how many such civilisations?

We are a combative, emotional, and irrational species.

So? How do we know if aliens give a shit about any of those things?

Of course, we have many good qualities, but unless there was a damn good reason, I highly doubt a technologically superior race would seem us worthy of contact.

Which only really tells us about your opinions of the human species, not about aliens.

[Satuga]

Do aliens exist? Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt. Have they visited us or even gotten colse to us? Maybe but not certainly, the biggest evidence we have is the new video evidence from the US navy that shows a UFO of unknown origin.

[Jedi Council]

Any civilization that has advanced enough to have mastered space travel is going to find our little planet incredibly primitive.

And we know this based on polling how many such civilisations?

We are a combative, emotional, and irrational species.

So? How do we know if aliens give a shit about any of those things?

Of course, we have many good qualities, but unless there was a damn good reason, I highly doubt a technologically superior race would seem us worthy of contact.

Which only really tells us about your opinions of the human species, not about aliens.

If you are asking me to prove anything about alien life you are wasting your time. All things extraterrestrial are largely conjecture or outright guesses.

I perhaps should have preface it with "in my opinion."

In any case, do you really believe there is anything of interest on Earth that extra terrestrial life would really want? As pointed out by someone else, if a species has mastered interstellar travel, our technology would be of no interest. As per resources, there are plenty of places in our solar system, and thus surely elsewhere, where they could have a higher concentration without having to deal with inhabitants.

The only really unique and interesting thing about Earth, if we assume life is abundant in the universe, would be us. And again, if life is abundant, and there are species that have mastered interstellar travel, why would we be special to them?

The only case wherein I could imagine Earth truly being of interest right now would be if whatever race did come across us had not yet found any other life forms.

Otherwise, what do we have that they would want?

[Ifreann]

And we know this based on polling how many such civilisations?


So? How do we know if aliens give a shit about any of those things?

Which only really tells us about your opinions of the human species, not about aliens.

If you are asking me to prove anything about alien life you are wasting your time. All things extraterrestrial are largely conjecture or outright guesses.

I perhaps should have preface it with "in my opinion."

Which is exactly my point. When you say that aliens would not see us as being worthy of contact, what you mean is that you don't see us as being worthy of contact.

In any case, do you really believe there is anything of interest on Earth that extra terrestrial life would really want? As pointed out by someone else, if a species has mastered interstellar travel, our technology would be of no interest. As per resources, there are plenty of places in our solar system, and thus surely elsewhere, where they could have a higher concentration without having to deal with inhabitants.

The only really unique and interesting thing about Earth, if we assume life is abundant in the universe, would be us. And again, if life is abundant, and there are species that have mastered interstellar travel, why would we be special to them?

The only case wherein I could imagine Earth truly being of interest right now would be if whatever race did come across us had not yet found any other life forms.

Otherwise, what do we have that they would want?

I have no idea, because I don't know what they want. I don't know what they value.

[Bombadil]

And we know this based on polling how many such civilisations?


So? How do we know if aliens give a shit about any of those things?

Which only really tells us about your opinions of the human species, not about aliens.

If you are asking me to prove anything about alien life you are wasting your time. All things extraterrestrial are largely conjecture or outright guesses.

I perhaps should have preface it with "in my opinion."

In any case, do you really believe there is anything of interest on Earth that extra terrestrial life would really want? As pointed out by someone else, if a species has mastered interstellar travel, our technology would be of no interest. As per resources, there are plenty of places in our solar system, and thus surely elsewhere, where they could have a higher concentration without having to deal with inhabitants.

The only really unique and interesting thing about Earth, if we assume life is abundant in the universe, would be us. And again, if life is abundant, and there are species that have mastered interstellar travel, why would we be special to them?

The only case wherein I could imagine Earth truly being of interest right now would be if whatever race did come across us had not yet found any other life forms.

Otherwise, what do we have that they would want?

As outlined earlier, they could well see us as a major potential threat to the universe. We are at the start of an exponential technology curve. Say, given radio signals have, or are about to be, picked up given they've reached some 200 light years of distance..

Any alien civilisation looking at us would first be seeing us 200 years ago. They'd see that we've crossed over into the technological age. Since that time we've rapidly increased technology to the point where we're in space already. Given it would take at least 200-250 years to reach us, given sub-light speed, who knows what we'll be up to. They might note that our primary use of technology is military.

They don't even have to send an invasion force, just a small, highly dense spheroid that disables our technology at best or kills each and every one of us at worst.

There's no reason to allow a potentially hostile and advanced civilisation grow to become a threat.

They might then log into the records that there's a highly habitable planet for later colonisation.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

If you are asking me to prove anything about alien life you are wasting your time. All things extraterrestrial are largely conjecture or outright guesses.

I perhaps should have preface it with "in my opinion."

In any case, do you really believe there is anything of interest on Earth that extra terrestrial life would really want? As pointed out by someone else, if a species has mastered interstellar travel, our technology would be of no interest. As per resources, there are plenty of places in our solar system, and thus surely elsewhere, where they could have a higher concentration without having to deal with inhabitants.

The only really unique and interesting thing about Earth, if we assume life is abundant in the universe, would be us. And again, if life is abundant, and there are species that have mastered interstellar travel, why would we be special to them?

The only case wherein I could imagine Earth truly being of interest right now would be if whatever race did come across us had not yet found any other life forms.

Otherwise, what do we have that they would want?

As outlined earlier, they could well see us as a major potential threat to the universe. We are at the start of an exponential technology curve. Say, given radio signals have, or are about to be, picked up given they've reached some 200 light years of distance..

Any alien civilisation looking at us would first be seeing us 200 years ago. They'd see that we've crossed over into the technological age. Since that time we've rapidly increased technology to the point where we're in space already. Given it would take at least 200-250 years to reach us, given sub-light speed, who knows what we'll be up to. They might note that our primary use of technology is military.

They don't even have to send an invasion force, just a small, highly dense spheroid that disables our technology at best or kills each and every one of us at worst.

There's no reason to allow a potentially hostile and advanced civilisation grow to become a threat.

They might then log into the records that there's a highly habitable planet for later colonisation.

But there's no evidence that superluminal speed is impossible.They may have already investigated the planets in this sector.We may have been registered as a civilized reserve.

Nevertheless, I think they will attack.Maybe it's quietly replacing global leaders.Or a series of experiments on earth.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I think it's likely ETs exist, but I think they would avoid Earth because of the stupidity of it's inhabitants. I doubt they've visited us. If we ever meet ETs, there will likely be war. If they find Earth first, they'll have the better tech and probably wipe us out. If we find them first and have the better tech, we'll probably try to colonize them. Peace is unlikely, considering humanity's past reactions to meeting others.

[Rojava Free State]

As outlined earlier, they could well see us as a major potential threat to the universe. We are at the start of an exponential technology curve. Say, given radio signals have, or are about to be, picked up given they've reached some 200 light years of distance..

Any alien civilisation looking at us would first be seeing us 200 years ago. They'd see that we've crossed over into the technological age. Since that time we've rapidly increased technology to the point where we're in space already. Given it would take at least 200-250 years to reach us, given sub-light speed, who knows what we'll be up to. They might note that our primary use of technology is military.

They don't even have to send an invasion force, just a small, highly dense spheroid that disables our technology at best or kills each and every one of us at worst.

There's no reason to allow a potentially hostile and advanced civilisation grow to become a threat.

They might then log into the records that there's a highly habitable planet for later colonisation.

But there's no evidence that superluminal speed is impossible.They may have already investigated the planets in this sector.We may have been registered as a civilized reserve.

Nevertheless, I think they will attack.Maybe it's quietly replacing global leaders.Or a series of experiments on earth.

What if they just showed up? Like they didn't say anything or do anything. They just land their space ships in the middle of the upper peninsula of Michigan, and set up a settlement. And when people approach they just stare for a few seconds before losing interest? Like who is to say aliens would launch an all out attack and wouldn't just come here to mine uranium, totally ignoring us?

[Bombadil]

As outlined earlier, they could well see us as a major potential threat to the universe. We are at the start of an exponential technology curve. Say, given radio signals have, or are about to be, picked up given they've reached some 200 light years of distance..

Any alien civilisation looking at us would first be seeing us 200 years ago. They'd see that we've crossed over into the technological age. Since that time we've rapidly increased technology to the point where we're in space already. Given it would take at least 200-250 years to reach us, given sub-light speed, who knows what we'll be up to. They might note that our primary use of technology is military.

They don't even have to send an invasion force, just a small, highly dense spheroid that disables our technology at best or kills each and every one of us at worst.

There's no reason to allow a potentially hostile and advanced civilisation grow to become a threat.

They might then log into the records that there's a highly habitable planet for later colonisation.

But there's no evidence that superluminal speed is impossible.They may have already investigated the planets in this sector.We may have been registered as a civilized reserve.

Nevertheless, I think they will attack.Maybe it's quietly replacing global leaders.Or a series of experiments on earth.

Sure, just superluminal speed isn't required for the hypothesis. Point being given the assumption that evolutionary principles work universally then any civilisation would fall into a spectrum of defensive, cooperative and aggressive. That is all three would be present but weight differently per civilisation.

It would make sense to pre-emptively strike any predominately aggressive civilisations especially if they've passed the technology curve. I guess, as humans, we need to assess where we lay on that scale but given the vast inequality in this world I wouldn't lay bets on us being seen as cooperative.

[Farnhamia]

If you are asking me to prove anything about alien life you are wasting your time. All things extraterrestrial are largely conjecture or outright guesses.

I perhaps should have preface it with "in my opinion."

In any case, do you really believe there is anything of interest on Earth that extra terrestrial life would really want? As pointed out by someone else, if a species has mastered interstellar travel, our technology would be of no interest. As per resources, there are plenty of places in our solar system, and thus surely elsewhere, where they could have a higher concentration without having to deal with inhabitants.

The only really unique and interesting thing about Earth, if we assume life is abundant in the universe, would be us. And again, if life is abundant, and there are species that have mastered interstellar travel, why would we be special to them?

The only case wherein I could imagine Earth truly being of interest right now would be if whatever race did come across us had not yet found any other life forms.

Otherwise, what do we have that they would want?

As outlined earlier, they could well see us as a major potential threat to the universe. We are at the start of an exponential technology curve. Say, given radio signals have, or are about to be, picked up given they've reached some 200 light years of distance..

Any alien civilisation looking at us would first be seeing us 200 years ago. They'd see that we've crossed over into the technological age. Since that time we've rapidly increased technology to the point where we're in space already. Given it would take at least 200-250 years to reach us, given sub-light speed, who knows what we'll be up to. They might note that our primary use of technology is military.

They don't even have to send an invasion force, just a small, highly dense spheroid that disables our technology at best or kills each and every one of us at worst.

There's no reason to allow a potentially hostile and advanced civilisation grow to become a threat.

They might then log into the records that there's a highly habitable planet for later colonisation.

200 light years? No, there was no radio in 1820. 115 or so. The radio bubble is about 230 light years in diameter, not radius.

[Bombadil]

As outlined earlier, they could well see us as a major potential threat to the universe. We are at the start of an exponential technology curve. Say, given radio signals have, or are about to be, picked up given they've reached some 200 light years of distance..

Any alien civilisation looking at us would first be seeing us 200 years ago. They'd see that we've crossed over into the technological age. Since that time we've rapidly increased technology to the point where we're in space already. Given it would take at least 200-250 years to reach us, given sub-light speed, who knows what we'll be up to. They might note that our primary use of technology is military.

They don't even have to send an invasion force, just a small, highly dense spheroid that disables our technology at best or kills each and every one of us at worst.

There's no reason to allow a potentially hostile and advanced civilisation grow to become a threat.

They might then log into the records that there's a highly habitable planet for later colonisation.

200 light years? No, there was no radio in 1820. 115 or so. The radio bubble is about 230 light years in diameter, not radius.

Fine, 115.. not sure it's preferable for them to see us in 1905 than 1820 but in the end it doesn't really change the point.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

But there's no evidence that superluminal speed is impossible.They may have already investigated the planets in this sector.We may have been registered as a civilized reserve.

Nevertheless, I think they will attack.Maybe it's quietly replacing global leaders.Or a series of experiments on earth.

What if they just showed up? Like they didn't say anything or do anything. They just land their space ships in the middle of the upper peninsula of Michigan, and set up a settlement. And when people approach they just stare for a few seconds before losing interest? Like who is to say aliens would launch an all out attack and wouldn't just come here to mine uranium, totally ignoring us?

Given that there are no special resources on earth, I think it's almost impossible for them to come and be miners.
OR Set up a secret research station And
Active observation Sociology +8
（We can see UFOs when researchers get drunk and drive around）

[Farnhamia]

200 light years? No, there was no radio in 1820. 115 or so. The radio bubble is about 230 light years in diameter, not radius.

Fine, 115.. not sure it's preferable for them to see us in 1905 than 1820 but in the end it doesn't really change the point.

I'm not a huge fan but you're saying they'e coming for us because of Lucy and Ricky, Fred and Ethel?

[Bombadil]

Fine, 115.. not sure it's preferable for them to see us in 1905 than 1820 but in the end it doesn't really change the point.

I'm not a huge fan but you're saying they'e coming for us because of Lucy and Ricky, Fred and Ethel?

Not sure they'll judge us on our television, god help us I hope they don't judge us on our television.

[Danceria]

While I would recommend all to watch Isaac Arthur on the subject of Deep Space civilizations-colonization and technology in general.

Whereby I posit that ETs do exist, and are as people previously stated primitive and we may be the Forerunners-or b, playing tall for all you RTSers out there. Or are a vast and loose galactic neofeudal confederacy due to how friggin big space is and how long it takes for things to pass through it.

[Stellar Colonies]

But there's no evidence that superluminal speed is impossible.They may have already investigated the planets in this sector.We may have been registered as a civilized reserve.

Nevertheless, I think they will attack.Maybe it's quietly replacing global leaders.Or a series of experiments on earth.

What if they just showed up? Like they didn't say anything or do anything. They just land their space ships in the middle of the upper peninsula of Michigan, and set up a settlement. And when people approach they just stare for a few seconds before losing interest? Like who is to say aliens would launch an all out attack and wouldn't just come here to mine uranium, totally ignoring us?

You mean something like them just not recognizing humans as being intelligent?

Or just ignoring us?

[Bombadil]

What if they just showed up? Like they didn't say anything or do anything. They just land their space ships in the middle of the upper peninsula of Michigan, and set up a settlement. And when people approach they just stare for a few seconds before losing interest? Like who is to say aliens would launch an all out attack and wouldn't just come here to mine uranium, totally ignoring us?

You mean something like them just not recognizing humans as being intelligent?

Or just ignoring us?

How rude.

[Geneviev]

I'm almost certain that there is some kind of extraterrestrial life. It's probably not sentient, but if it is, it's probably technologically superior and we should be very careful about interacting with them.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

You mean something like them just not recognizing humans as being intelligent?

Or just ignoring us?

How rude.

This remind me a novel TheRoadNotTaken
When humans acquire superluminal technology, it's when mad dogs leave their cages

[Rojava Free State]

What if they just showed up? Like they didn't say anything or do anything. They just land their space ships in the middle of the upper peninsula of Michigan, and set up a settlement. And when people approach they just stare for a few seconds before losing interest? Like who is to say aliens would launch an all out attack and wouldn't just come here to mine uranium, totally ignoring us?

You mean something like them just not recognizing humans as being intelligent?

Or just ignoring us?

Just ignoring us. Like maybe they know we are advanced enough to build cities but aren't interested in either war or dialog and just stay in their little seclusion zone near the porcupine mountains mining Iron and uranium.

[Rojava Free State]

What if they just showed up? Like they didn't say anything or do anything. They just land their space ships in the middle of the upper peninsula of Michigan, and set up a settlement. And when people approach they just stare for a few seconds before losing interest? Like who is to say aliens would launch an all out attack and wouldn't just come here to mine uranium, totally ignoring us?

Given that there are no special resources on earth, I think it's almost impossible for them to come and be miners.
OR Set up a secret research station And
Active observation Sociology +8
（We can see UFOs when researchers get drunk and drive around）

How do you know what is and isn't special to them though? Maybe they need uranium for some reason and only could find an ample supply here.

Or maybe they settled here because their home world is a little too crowded, but they just decided they'll deal with us when they run out of room in their seclusion zone.

[Bombadil]

You mean something like them just not recognizing humans as being intelligent?

Or just ignoring us?

Just ignoring us. Like maybe they know we are advanced enough to build cities but aren't interested in either war or dialog and just stay in their little seclusion zone near the porcupine mountains mining Iron and uranium.

And crawling on the planets face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space
And meaning.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Given that there are no special resources on earth, I think it's almost impossible for them to come and be miners.
OR Set up a secret research station And
Active observation Sociology +8
（We can see UFOs when researchers get drunk and drive around）

How do you know what is and isn't special to them though? Maybe they need uranium for some reason and only could find an ample supply here.

Or maybe they settled here because their home world is a little too crowded, but they just decided they'll deal with us when they run out of room in their seclusion zone.

Heavy metal elements come from supernovae. There are not many of these minerals on earth. On the contrary, they are more abundant elsewhere in the solar system.Even liquid water has more reserves on the moons of Jupiter and Saturn.

[Bombadil]

How do you know what is and isn't special to them though? Maybe they need uranium for some reason and only could find an ample supply here.

Or maybe they settled here because their home world is a little too crowded, but they just decided they'll deal with us when they run out of room in their seclusion zone.

Heavy metal elements come from supernovae. There are not many of these minerals on earth. On the contrary, they are more abundant elsewhere in the solar system.Even liquid water has more reserves on the moons of Jupiter and Saturn.

What we do have is a very stable environment compared to most planets.