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Postby Dylar » Mon May 18, 2020 4:42 am

Polding wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I mean, you're not technically wrong. There is a strong correlation between blindness and lack of sight.

All that sleep will be awakened; if that be the Death of them? So be it.

Are you just quoting parables?
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon May 18, 2020 4:44 am

Kernen wrote:
Eudea wrote:
I’m not American so I don’t know what that is unfortunately. But I think I get what it covers.


It's a lot of words to say Disruptive to Learning = Unprotected Speech. Religious garb, iirc, is basically the same. I always felt it made a strong policy point.

I'm not American, but is sounds like a sensible policy.

UK schools are not altogether dissimilar. Government guidance here states schools "act reasonably in accommodating religious requirements," but that "Freedom to manifest a religion or belief does not mean that an individual has the right to manifest their religion or belief at any time, in any place, or in any particular manner. We are clear that the needs of safety, security and effective teaching and learning must always be paramount".
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Mon May 18, 2020 4:45 am

The school taught this?Does it have credits? Does it need an exam?What if I don't have the official religious belief of the school? Do I need to change the community?I don't want my children to be attacked as heretics at school
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Postby Kernen » Mon May 18, 2020 4:48 am

Polding wrote:‘If only,’ he says. But truly he trembles! For though his heart hath hardened, still do whispers reach his ear.

I hear no voices. And neither I imagine, do most students. Most schools are pretty good at addressing significant mental health issues in students who display such symptoms.
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Postby Polding » Mon May 18, 2020 4:48 am

Dylar wrote:
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All that sleep will be awakened; if that be the Death of them? So be it.

Are you just quoting parables?

No. I am not wise enough. I’m being an idiot on purpose so that these niggas will realise that this is an Internet forum, not a fraternal disputation or discussion. In no way will they profit anything, and neither will I. They convince no one of their positions, but they waste their time here when they could devote it to more fruitful ventures in the world god help us Truly, I say to you, led by the nose, this way and that, they do my bidding and follow me unwittingly. Fools! Fools! Fools! Evil was overcome, I say to myself, so may this be.
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Postby Dylar » Mon May 18, 2020 4:49 am

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:1.The school taught this?2.Does it have credits? 3.Does it need an exam?4.What if I don't have the official religious belief of the school? Do I need to change the community?I don't want my children to be attacked as heretics at school

1. Some schools do.
2. Yes. I think they're social studies credits.
3. Yes
4. If you're talking about public schools, they don't follow any sort of religious beliefs.
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Postby Polding » Mon May 18, 2020 4:51 am

Kernen wrote:
Polding wrote:‘If only,’ he says. But truly he trembles! For though his heart hath hardened, still do whispers reach his ear.

I hear no voices. And neither I imagine, do most students. Most schools are pretty good at addressing significant mental health issues in students who display such symptoms.

But yes you hear mine, and another. On deaf ears now, perhaps forever, but there is time still: Tarry thou the Lord’s leisure!
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Mon May 18, 2020 4:53 am

Dylar wrote:
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:1.The school taught this?2.Does it have credits? 3.Does it need an exam?4.What if I don't have the official religious belief of the school? Do I need to change the community?I don't want my children to be attacked as heretics at school

1. Some schools do.
2. Yes. I think they're social studies credits.
3. Yes
4. If you're talking about public schools, they don't follow any sort of religious beliefs.

So,missionary school?
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Postby Kernen » Mon May 18, 2020 4:54 am

Polding wrote:
Kernen wrote:I hear no voices. And neither I imagine, do most students. Most schools are pretty good at addressing significant mental health issues in students who display such symptoms.

But yes you hear mine, and another. On deaf ears now, perhaps forever, but there is time still: Tarry thou the Lord’s leisure!
just stop. You're not convincing anyone.
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Postby Polding » Mon May 18, 2020 4:58 am

Kernen wrote:
Polding wrote:But yes you hear mine, and another. On deaf ears now, perhaps forever, but there is time still: Tarry thou the Lord’s leisure!
just stop. You're not convincing anyone.

I convince myself. That is enough. At least one fool has learned something!
O reader, understand the rankness of your devouring belly; For it is that which you now smell in your putrid [poo]. Therefore, leave off feeding the gluttony of your belly; And in good time let the sober life return to you.

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Postby Dylar » Mon May 18, 2020 4:58 am

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
Dylar wrote:1. Some schools do.
2. Yes. I think they're social studies credits.
3. Yes
4. If you're talking about public schools, they don't follow any sort of religious beliefs.

So,missionary school?

Well, yea those are definitely religious.
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Postby Kernen » Mon May 18, 2020 5:04 am

Polding wrote:
Kernen wrote: just stop. You're not convincing anyone.

I convince myself. That is enough. At least one fool has learned something!

Then convince yourself privately.
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Postby Polding » Mon May 18, 2020 5:16 am

Kernen wrote:
Polding wrote:I convince myself. That is enough. At least one fool has learned something!

Then convince yourself privately.

What is private is public also.
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Postby Qabea » Mon May 18, 2020 5:25 am

So basically the argument about religious classes has been reduced to a bunch of assumptions and misinterpretations of the public school system. huh?
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Postby La Xinga » Mon May 18, 2020 6:34 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Region of Dwipantara wrote:Not if they are well-educated, after which they will know that tolerance and respect are the things that benefit civilization. Without proper education, such people might become the stupid and short-tempered religious zealot, kinds of which usually ending up stabbing my country's Minister of Security.

Or, they could recognize that secularism protects their religion from the state. It need not be selfless.

Secularism protects religion from the state? All I've seen it do is attack religion. :blink:

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Postby Satuga » Mon May 18, 2020 6:37 am

Religion should only be taught in school from a historical standpoint, and all religions at that not just one. If someone want's to try converting to a religion then join a fucking religious school club, but students shuldn't be forced to take part in a religion they don't agree with.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon May 18, 2020 6:38 am

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Or, they could recognize that secularism protects their religion from the state. It need not be selfless.

Secularism protects religion from the state? All I've seen it do is attack religion. :blink:

State secularism protects religion from the state and atheists from the state. It is, in effect, neutrality, supporting neither.

Unless, of course, "attack" is being used to mean that the state refuses to promote one religion above others...
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Postby Satuga » Mon May 18, 2020 6:39 am

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Or, they could recognize that secularism protects their religion from the state. It need not be selfless.

Secularism protects religion from the state? All I've seen it do is attack religion. :blink:

Well when we have a judge give a raping pastor 12 years instead of 72 because "he's a man of God" then yeah I think it's important that Secularism attack religion to some degree.
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Postby La Xinga » Mon May 18, 2020 6:41 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
La xinga wrote:Secularism protects religion from the state? All I've seen it do is attack religion. :blink:

State secularism protects religion from the state and atheists from the state. It is, in effect, neutrality, supporting neither.

Unless, of course, "attack" is being used to mean that the state refuses to promote one religion above others...

State Secularism, that is different.
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La xinga wrote:Secularism protects religion from the state? All I've seen it do is attack religion. :blink:

Well when we have a judge give a raping pastor 12 years instead of 72 because "he's a man of God" then yeah I think it's important that Secularism attack religion to some degree.

When did that happen?

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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon May 18, 2020 6:43 am

Satuga wrote:Religion should only be taught in school from a historical standpoint, and all religions at that not just one. If someone want's to try converting to a religion then join a fucking religious school club, but students shuldn't be forced to take part in a religion they don't agree with.

I'd agree with that, but only up to a point.

Definitely R.E should be taught in schools from a cultural and historical perspective, but I don't think religious clubs should be run in schools. School clubs have so much more they could offer in clubs: sports, the arts, languages, social clubs.

Kids can join church youth clubs to be converted.
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Postby Estanglia » Mon May 18, 2020 6:45 am

La xinga wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Or, they could recognize that secularism protects their religion from the state. It need not be selfless.

Secularism protects religion from the state? All I've seen it do is attack religion. :blink:


Secularism protects religion because secularism prevents any religion from taking control.

Meaning, if a particular religion considers yours heresy, something that needs to be stamped out or wants to forcibly convert you to their religion, under secularism they can't do that. If there was no secularism, and they were the religion in power, every religion that they find heretical/needs to be stamped out/forcibly converted from would be in danger.
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Postby Satuga » Mon May 18, 2020 6:45 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Satuga wrote:Religion should only be taught in school from a historical standpoint, and all religions at that not just one. If someone want's to try converting to a religion then join a fucking religious school club, but students shuldn't be forced to take part in a religion they don't agree with.

I'd agree with that, but only up to a point.

Definitely R.E should be taught in schools from a cultural and historical perspective, but I don't think religious clubs should be run in schools. School clubs have so much more they could offer in clubs: sports, the arts, languages, social clubs.

Kids can join church youth clubs to be converted.

Well where I am, religious clubs are student made, with a teacher supervisor.
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Postby La Xinga » Mon May 18, 2020 6:46 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Satuga wrote:Religion should only be taught in school from a historical standpoint, and all religions at that not just one. If someone want's to try converting to a religion then join a fucking religious school club, but students shuldn't be forced to take part in a religion they don't agree with.

I'd agree with that, but only up to a point.

I don't think religious clubs should be run by schools. School clubs have so much more they could offer in clubs: sports, the arts, languages, social clubs.

Kids can join church youth clubs to be converted.

I've been asking a lot of people this question, I think yes, but I'll ask you.
Should religious schools be able to filter out stuff that go against their religion?

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Postby Satuga » Mon May 18, 2020 6:47 am

La xinga wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:I'd agree with that, but only up to a point.

I don't think religious clubs should be run by schools. School clubs have so much more they could offer in clubs: sports, the arts, languages, social clubs.

Kids can join church youth clubs to be converted.

I've been asking a lot of people this question, I think yes, but I'll ask you.
Should religious schools be able to filter out stuff that go against their religion?

If it's a private school then they are allowed to do whatever they want pretty much, not that that's a good thing. Morally it should be reprehensable to force a child to practice a religion. I'm looking at you mormons.
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