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How can religions evangelize in schools?

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Postby Estanglia » Sun May 17, 2020 5:43 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
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Interesting question.

I'm not sure about teaching about a specific cult, but I think teaching about "how to identify if something is a cult" could be something taught in some sort of general Society/Bias/Safety class, to try to protect people from falling into a cult (or equivalent manipulative and abusive groups/relationships).

Identifying something as a cult is not cut and dry though. I mean some are obvious, but...is Mormonism a cult?


I don't know, and fair enough.
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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 17, 2020 5:43 pm

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Pagans are no weirder than christians.

Debatable.


Depends on which one is raised in I imagine. Y'all look weird to us raised outside of strong religion, but that's neither here nor there.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 17, 2020 5:44 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Unless they're folkish "pagans". Fuck them entirely.


Are we talking about nazi pagans?


Yeah, they're trash and should be BTFO'd whenever possible.

Dylar wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Pagans are no weirder than christians.

Debatable.


Idk man transubstantiation is pretty weird
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Postby Kernen » Sun May 17, 2020 5:44 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Dylar wrote:Debatable.


Why?

Idk, most pagans are pretty out there. You get out there christians, but they sure aren't the norm for the crew.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 17, 2020 5:45 pm

Kernen wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Why?

Idk, most pagans are pretty out there. You get out there christians, but they sure aren't the norm for the crew.


How are they "out there?"
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Postby Dylar » Sun May 17, 2020 5:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Dylar wrote:Debatable.


Idk man transubstantiation is pretty weird

tfw Catholics are more metal af than pagans
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 17, 2020 5:45 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Interesting question.

I'm not sure about teaching about a specific cult, but I think teaching about "how to identify if something is a cult" could be something taught in some sort of general Society/Bias/Safety class, to try to protect people from falling into a cult (or equivalent manipulative and abusive groups/relationships).

Identifying something as a cult is not cut and dry though. I mean some are obvious, but...is Mormonism a cult?


Cults are just baby religions.
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Postby Minimark » Sun May 17, 2020 5:46 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Are we talking about nazi pagans?


Yeah, they're trash and should be BTFO'd whenever possible.

Dylar wrote:Debatable.


Idk man transubstantiation is pretty weird


Its more about forming an intimate relationship with God than anything and following tradition but I see how it can seem weird claiming I consumed God

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Postby Minimark » Sun May 17, 2020 5:47 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Identifying something as a cult is not cut and dry though. I mean some are obvious, but...is Mormonism a cult?


Cults are just baby religions.


Or just religions that, you know, don't make you kill yourself

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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 17, 2020 5:47 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Identifying something as a cult is not cut and dry though. I mean some are obvious, but...is Mormonism a cult?


Cults are just baby religions.


I like the definition that a cult is a very particular type of religion which strips the identity, freedom and critical thinking of its members away. Hence Scientology is a cult despite being quite large, whereas the Church of the FSM is quite small due to nobody actually believing it, but is just a religion.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 17, 2020 5:48 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Cults are just baby religions.


I like the definition that a cult is a very particular type of religion which strips the identity, freedom and critical thinking of its members away. Hence Scientology is a cult despite being quite large, whereas the Church of the FSM is quite small due to nobody actually believing it, but is just a religion.

I like the BITE model.
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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 17, 2020 5:49 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I like the definition that a cult is a very particular type of religion which strips the identity, freedom and critical thinking of its members away. Hence Scientology is a cult despite being quite large, whereas the Church of the FSM is quite small due to nobody actually believing it, but is just a religion.

I like the BITE model.


I believe that is precisely the model I'm thinking of, even if the exact details are hazy in my memory.

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Postby Kernen » Sun May 17, 2020 5:49 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Kernen wrote:Idk, most pagans are pretty out there. You get out there christians, but they sure aren't the norm for the crew.


How are they "out there?"

The ones I knew were Rennies. Renn Faire workers, by and large. They have a distinct counterculture oddity to them. They take a certain pride in highlighting their differences and would often flaunt them where they can.

Its not harmful or bad. Just different.
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Postby Albrenia » Sun May 17, 2020 5:50 pm

Minimark wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah, they're trash and should be BTFO'd whenever possible.



Idk man transubstantiation is pretty weird


Its more about forming an intimate relationship with God than anything and following tradition but I see how it can seem weird claiming I consumed God


Consuming the flesh and blood of a God is pretty damn metal when you think about it like that. Much less so with proper context.

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Postby Daves Computer » Sun May 17, 2020 5:51 pm

Despite how much stigma rests in the term, cult, it is simply a closely connected group whose beliefs are new and unique. In that sense, Christianity was a cult and so were many other religions.

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Postby Minimark » Sun May 17, 2020 5:51 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Minimark wrote:
Its more about forming an intimate relationship with God than anything and following tradition but I see how it can seem weird claiming I consumed God


Consuming the flesh and blood of a God is pretty damn metal when you think about it like that. Much less so with proper context.


Ya but God told us to do it. Which in a way makes it seem better. Luckily the Buddha never said when I die make sure you eat me up good.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun May 17, 2020 5:55 pm

Kernen wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
How are they "out there?"

The ones I knew were Rennies. Renn Faire workers, by and large. They have a distinct counterculture oddity to them. They take a certain pride in highlighting their differences and would often flaunt them where they can.

Its not harmful or bad. Just different.


I knew a girl who was Wicca. But the dumbasses at my school just thought she was a witch and kept running away from her.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 17, 2020 5:56 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Kernen wrote:The ones I knew were Rennies. Renn Faire workers, by and large. They have a distinct counterculture oddity to them. They take a certain pride in highlighting their differences and would often flaunt them where they can.

Its not harmful or bad. Just different.


I knew a girl who was Wicca. But the dumbasses at my school just thought she was a witch and kept running away from her.


Tbf as a pagan even a lot of us dislike Wiccan types. They tend to be, uh, obnoxious in a lot of ways.
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Postby Dylar » Sun May 17, 2020 5:58 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Kernen wrote:The ones I knew were Rennies. Renn Faire workers, by and large. They have a distinct counterculture oddity to them. They take a certain pride in highlighting their differences and would often flaunt them where they can.

Its not harmful or bad. Just different.


I knew a girl who was Wicca. But the dumbasses at my school just thought she was a witch and kept running away from her.

I mean Wiccans are pretty weird imo. I get that their big thing is "Do no harm" but other than that I don't even know if they worship anything or not.
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 17, 2020 5:59 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Kernen wrote:The ones I knew were Rennies. Renn Faire workers, by and large. They have a distinct counterculture oddity to them. They take a certain pride in highlighting their differences and would often flaunt them where they can.

Its not harmful or bad. Just different.


I knew a girl who was Wicca. But the dumbasses at my school just thought she was a witch and kept running away from her.


Sounds like it had it advantages if it was for that purposes. Most wicca (but not all) types are however new agers.

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Postby Evil Empire 666 » Sun May 17, 2020 7:53 pm

[quote="Geneviev";p="37127859"]Some schools, particularly in the United States in my experience, have groups dedicated to certain religions, in which teachers or other adults teach children about their religion. In my experience, that religion is Christianity, although there are probably other religions that do the same thing. In these groups, children are taught that a certain religion is true by an authority figure, although they are usually optional.

Other schools teach religion as an official subject. In Germany, it is a required subject in public schools and is usually provided by churches. In these situations, religion, which usually Christianity, although there are sometimes secular or Muslim alternatives, is taught in a classroom, but it is sometimes less biased and students can choose not to be in the class.

In both of these examples, churches use schools to evangelize to students. What do you think, NSG? Should both situations be allowed, or only one of them, or none? Is there another method that you would consider more appropriate?


In my opinion, both of these should be allowed because they do not necessarily favor one religion over another, so students can make a decision. Allowing students the opportunity to learn about a religion they already believe in is better than using things like this to evangelize to more, but doing so should be allowed to protect freedom of religion.[/quote No. Becuse


GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Period.

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Postby Atheris » Sun May 17, 2020 8:25 pm

Evil Empire 666 wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Some schools, particularly in the United States in my experience, have groups dedicated to certain religions, in which teachers or other adults teach children about their religion. In my experience, that religion is Christianity, although there are probably other religions that do the same thing. In these groups, children are taught that a certain religion is true by an authority figure, although they are usually optional.

Other schools teach religion as an official subject. In Germany, it is a required subject in public schools and is usually provided by churches. In these situations, religion, which usually Christianity, although there are sometimes secular or Muslim alternatives, is taught in a classroom, but it is sometimes less biased and students can choose not to be in the class.

In both of these examples, churches use schools to evangelize to students. What do you think, NSG? Should both situations be allowed, or only one of them, or none? Is there another method that you would consider more appropriate?


In my opinion, both of these should be allowed because they do not necessarily favor one religion over another, so students can make a decision. Allowing students the opportunity to learn about a religion they already believe in is better than using things like this to evangelize to more, but doing so should be allowed to protect freedom of religion.
No. Becuse


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It's impossible to say that conclusively. Likewise, it's impossible to say that He does exist. You can't just conclusively say that one side is right without having the proof to back it up.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 17, 2020 8:31 pm

Public school? Only in how religions pertain to historical moments. Private religious schools? That’s another matter.

School is for learning. If you want to evangelize or proselytize, do so in church.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun May 17, 2020 8:41 pm

Atheris wrote:
Evil Empire 666 wrote: No. Becuse


GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Period.

It's impossible to say that conclusively. Likewise, it's impossible to say that He does exist. You can't just conclusively say that one side is right without having the proof to back it up.


Sure you can - just visit any church. There you will hear people claim that their side is right without ever proving all other religions wrong.
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Postby Atheris » Sun May 17, 2020 8:41 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Atheris wrote:It's impossible to say that conclusively. Likewise, it's impossible to say that He does exist. You can't just conclusively say that one side is right without having the proof to back it up.


Sure you can - just visit any church. There you will hear people claim that their side is right without ever proving all other religions wrong.

That's why I don't go to church.
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