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La xinga wrote:

Estanglia wrote:
I don't care what's the truth to them. I care what's the truth.

The best (and in effect the truest) explanation for species as they currently are is evolution. Anything else is either outdated (and does not belong in the classroom) or unfounded assumptions (which do not belong in science). If they teach anything other than evolution as the explanation for how species as they currently are came about, they are doing their students a disservice and deserve to be closed down.

Religion is not an excuse for ignorance.

Evolution is not an excuse for ignorance either.

I also care what's the truth, and that is exactly why religious schools should continue teaching their anti-evolution studies.

Jedi Council wrote:

La xinga wrote:Talk to them, ask them how come they don't teach it.
No, it's not something I am making up. Yes, all holy books of my religion are 100% factual to me, with 0 mistakes.

Asking how you don't so something is pointless.

"How do you not exercise?"
"How do you not paint"

You just don't.
And that is what that school did. As I said it fell to me and my then girlfriend to explain how it worked to this girl. My girlfriend also when to the same Catholic school, but was lucky enough to have progressive parents who wanted her to know about her body.

They both explained that at this Catholic school, my question about sex, conception, or biology was met with either silence, obfuscation, or merely a throw away like about abstinence. All three of those made this girl think that sex is bad, and worse, it made her not understand even the basics of it.

But you think this is fine?

Agrariah wrote:

La xinga wrote:Talk to them, ask them how come they don't teach it.
No, it's not something I am making up. Yes, all holy books of my religion are 100% factual to me, with 0 mistakes.

You're saying that a book, which has been translated across hundreds of languages over thousands of years, is not imperfect? Humans are imperfect beings, I highly doubt that our translations of these books are perfect from the first time they were written. That leads me to wonder, why are there so many different interpretations of the holy books of all religions, if they're supposedly all "factual".

Godular wrote:

La xinga wrote:Evolution is not an excuse for ignorance either.

I think I have to go with 'That's actually really damn funny, coming from you'.

I also care what's the truth, and that is exactly why religious schools should continue teaching their anti-evolution studies.

Which are a big steaming pile of bullshit and you should feel bad for thinking they carry any weight whatsoever.

La xinga wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:
Asking how you don't so something is pointless.

"How do you not exercise?"
"How do you not paint"

You just don't.
And that is what that school did. As I said it fell to me and my then girlfriend to explain how it worked to this girl. My girlfriend also when to the same Catholic school, but was lucky enough to have progressive parents who wanted her to know about her body.

They both explained that at this Catholic school, my question about sex, conception, or biology was met with either silence, obfuscation, or merely a throw away like about abstinence. All three of those made this girl think that sex is bad, and worse, it made her not understand even the basics of it.

But you think this is fine?

Not how, just how come.

Agrariah wrote:
You're saying that a book, which has been translated across hundreds of languages over thousands of years, is not imperfect? Humans are imperfect beings, I highly doubt that our translations of these books are perfect from the first time they were written. That leads me to wonder, why are there so many different interpretations of the holy books of all religions, if they're supposedly all "factual".

Easy, because it can be interpreted in different ways, since it is so holy for humans to fully grasp.
Humans are imperfect, but the lord is perfect, as i said in my sig. We do have the original, non-translated Lashon HaKodesh with the trope, which was wriiten with prophecy, divine inspiration, or G-d himself.

La xinga wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:
Asking how you don't so something is pointless.

"How do you not exercise?"
"How do you not paint"

You just don't.
And that is what that school did. As I said it fell to me and my then girlfriend to explain how it worked to this girl. My girlfriend also when to the same Catholic school, but was lucky enough to have progressive parents who wanted her to know about her body.

They both explained that at this Catholic school, my question about sex, conception, or biology was met with either silence, obfuscation, or merely a throw away like about abstinence. All three of those made this girl think that sex is bad, and worse, it made her not understand even the basics of it.

But you think this is fine?

Not how, just how come.

Agrariah wrote:
You're saying that a book, which has been translated across hundreds of languages over thousands of years, is not imperfect? Humans are imperfect beings, I highly doubt that our translations of these books are perfect from the first time they were written. That leads me to wonder, why are there so many different interpretations of the holy books of all religions, if they're supposedly all "factual".

Easy, because it can be interpreted in different ways, since it is so holy for humans to fully grasp.
Humans are imperfect, but the lord is perfect, as i said in my sig. We do have the original, non-translated Lashon HaKodesh with the trope, which was wriiten with prophecy, divine inspiration, or G-d himself.

Jedi Council wrote:

La xinga wrote:Not how, just how come.
Easy, because it can be interpreted in different ways, since it is so holy for humans to fully grasp.
Humans are imperfect, but the lord is perfect, as i said in my sig. We do have the original, non-translated Lashon HaKodesh with the trope, which was wriiten with prophecy, divine inspiration, or G-d himself.

I have explained how come, which is better worded as why.

It is because they do not believe in sex education, they believe that sex is a sin, they believe that family planning is a waste of time, or downright sinful as well.

That's why.

And those beliefs badly stunted my friends knowledge of her own body. As I said, if she had been more confidenot and more interested in boys and relationships, this lack of knowledge could have been very dangerous.

Godular wrote:

La xinga wrote:Not how, just how come.
Easy, because it can be interpreted in different ways, since it is so holy for humans to fully grasp.
Humans are imperfect, but the lord is perfect, as i said in my sig. We do have the original, non-translated Lashon HaKodesh with the trope, which was wriiten with prophecy, divine inspiration, or G-d himself.

If the book were perfect, it would be able to defy any misinterpretations, nor would it ever need to be translated into different languages.

La xinga wrote:

Godular wrote:
I think I have to go with 'That's actually really damn funny, coming from you'.



Which are a big steaming pile of bullshit and you should feel bad for thinking they carry any weight whatsoever.

Yeah, totally. That's just your opinion, not factual. You can have your opinions, I can have mine. $leep

La xinga wrote:

Godular wrote:
If the book were perfect, it would be able to defy any misinterpretations, nor would it ever need to be translated into different languages.

If people didn't understand the language, it would be translated sadly.

La xinga wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:I have explained how come, which is better worded as why.

It is because they do not believe in sex education, they believe that sex is a sin, they believe that family planning is a waste of time, or downright sinful as well.

That's why.

And those beliefs badly stunted my friends knowledge of her own body. As I said, if she had been more confidenot and more interested in boys and relationships, this lack of knowledge could have been very dangerous.

Catholicism? Believing Sex is a waste of time? Then that school is heretical, as far as I know, Catholicism doesn't mention anything against Sex, because if they did, they would have no more people, cuz no more children.

La xinga wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:
Asking how you don't so something is pointless.

"How do you not exercise?"
"How do you not paint"

You just don't.
And that is what that school did. As I said it fell to me and my then girlfriend to explain how it worked to this girl. My girlfriend also when to the same Catholic school, but was lucky enough to have progressive parents who wanted her to know about her body.

They both explained that at this Catholic school, my question about sex, conception, or biology was met with either silence, obfuscation, or merely a throw away like about abstinence. All three of those made this girl think that sex is bad, and worse, it made her not understand even the basics of it.

But you think this is fine?

Not how, just how come.

Agrariah wrote:
You're saying that a book, which has been translated across hundreds of languages over thousands of years, is not imperfect? Humans are imperfect beings, I highly doubt that our translations of these books are perfect from the first time they were written. That leads me to wonder, why are there so many different interpretations of the holy books of all religions, if they're supposedly all "factual".

Easy, because it can be interpreted in different ways, since it is so holy for humans to fully grasp.
Humans are imperfect, but the lord is perfect, as i said in my sig. We do have the original, non-translated Lashon HaKodesh with the trope, which was wriiten with prophecy, divine inspiration, or G-d himself.

Godular wrote:

La xinga wrote:Yeah, totally. That's just your opinion, not factual. You can have your opinions, I can have mine. $leep

No, no, my position has significantly more evidence to support it than that steaming load of horseshit you claim to stick with. It fails even on the processes involved. We've rather literally gone over every single creationist argument possible throughout various threads on this forum and have rather thoroughly dismantled anything and everything even remotely creationist in nature.

Your 'That's like, just your opinion, man' schtick rings hollow... VERY hollow.

Godular wrote:

La xinga wrote:If people didn't understand the language, it would be translated sadly.

If the book were perfect, that would not be a problem.

Jedi Council wrote:

La xinga wrote:Catholicism? Believing Sex is a waste of time? Then that school is heretical, as far as I know, Catholicism doesn't mention anything against Sex, because if they did, they would have no more people, cuz no more children.

You are willing misreading my statements. I said it's a catholic school which thinks that SEX EDUCATION is a waste of time or outright sinful.

That's why the never taught her about sex or her own biology.

Agrariah wrote:

La xinga wrote:Not how, just how come.
Easy, because it can be interpreted in different ways, since it is so holy for humans to fully grasp.
Humans are imperfect, but the lord is perfect, as i said in my sig. We do have the original, non-translated Lashon HaKodesh with the trope, which was wriiten with prophecy, divine inspiration, or G-d himself.

So my question then becomes, if you have say, 300 groups of people that fall under one religion, but have different interpretations of it, then who's version of their holy text is factual? Wouldn't 299 of these groups be wrong?

La xinga wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:You misunderstood my point

As I said a few pages back, a friend of mine went to an all girls Catholic school. At the age of 21, her 3rd year at a top 40 University, she did not understand her own biology, she did not know how someone conceives a child. It was up to my then girlfriend and me to explain it to her.

Her Catholic school had no sex ed, and no human biology course. It left that girl woefully unprepared for life, especially given the generally more liberal attitudes people of my generation hold towards sex. That school was blatantly bad for her education, and if she had been more interested in intimacy or men in general, it could have led her to make terrible choices, or to no understand her choices at all.

By your theory, that school was within its rights to not teach her these things because they do not deem them appropriate, and it is part of their faith that sex/family planning is a bad thing.

How is it then that we allow schools like this to remain open when they do not prepare people for the real world?

Talk to them, ask them how come they don't teach it.

Necroghastia wrote:They're saying that filling in any logical gap with "God did it" is something you're making up. And is every holy book factual to you?

No, it's not something I am making up. Yes, all holy books of my religion are 100% factual to me, with 0 mistakes.

La xinga wrote:

Godular wrote:
If the book were perfect, that would not be a problem.

No, your post makes no sense.

La xinga wrote:

Godular wrote:
No, no, my position has significantly more evidence to support it than that steaming load of horseshit you claim to stick with. It fails even on the processes involved. We've rather literally gone over every single creationist argument possible throughout various threads on this forum and have rather thoroughly dismantled anything and everything even remotely creationist in nature.

Your 'That's like, just your opinion, man' schtick rings hollow... VERY hollow.

It's not hollow, I already told you my proof, and considering that you're going off the thread topic, I wont re-post it.

Godular wrote:
If the book were perfect, that would not be a problem.

No, your post makes no sense.

Jedi Council wrote:
You are willing misreading my statements. I said it's a catholic school which thinks that SEX EDUCATION is a waste of time or outright sinful.

That's why the never taught her about sex or her own biology.

In the days of old, people were taught about it after they got married, so why should these days be any different?

Necroghastia wrote:

La xinga wrote:Talk to them, ask them how come they don't teach it.

You're defending the practice, why shouldn't we ask you?

No, it's not something I am making up. Yes, all holy books of my religion are 100% factual to me, with 0 mistakes.

You said you do not make up holy books. I was not talking solely about those of your religion, I was asking if you believe every holy book of every religion was true.

La xinga wrote:

Godular wrote:
No, no, my position has significantly more evidence to support it than that steaming load of horseshit you claim to stick with. It fails even on the processes involved. We've rather literally gone over every single creationist argument possible throughout various threads on this forum and have rather thoroughly dismantled anything and everything even remotely creationist in nature.

Your 'That's like, just your opinion, man' schtick rings hollow... VERY hollow.

It's not hollow, I already told you my proof, and considering that you're going off the thread topic, I wont re-post it.

Godular wrote:
If the book were perfect, that would not be a problem.

No, your post makes no sense.

La xinga wrote:

Necroghastia wrote:You're defending the practice, why shouldn't we ask you?
You said you do not make up holy books. I was not talking solely about those of your religion, I was asking if you believe every holy book of every religion was true.

LOL I'm not Catholic.

And no, I do not believe books that are not of my religion. Why?

Estanglia wrote:

La xinga wrote:No, your post makes no sense.

How doesn't it make sense?

If it is perfect, it needs no improvements, nor can you make any improvements. If it cannot be understood by everyone who can't speak the language, then an improvement can be made (making it so everyone who reads it understands it, regardless of if they know the language), therefore it is not perfect.

Jedi Council wrote:

La xinga wrote:It's not hollow, I already told you my proof, and considering that you're going off the thread topic, I wont re-post it.
No, your post makes no sense.
In the days of old, people were taught about it after they got married, so why should these days be any different?

Because this is not "the days of old."

In our modern world, the average person has a total of seven sexual partners throughout their life. As I have said, this girl, who was in University, and had a good social life, could have been faced with situations around men where she was woefully unprepared and uneducated. Saying "you'll learn about it when you are married" helps no one.

So no, that's not an answer to the problem of bad education in catholic schools around Sex.

La xinga wrote:

Estanglia wrote:
How doesn't it make sense?

If it is perfect, it needs no improvements, nor can you make any improvements. If it cannot be understood by everyone who can't speak the language, then an improvement can be made (making it so everyone who reads it understands it, regardless of if they know the language), therefore it is not perfect.

G-d wants people to work hard to figure his words out. The more credit of course!

Godular wrote:

Tokora wrote:No one will ever agree to do this but I always liked the idea of a class that taught about currently practiced faiths equally and leaving it up to the students to decide which is true.

Returning to 'Decent in concept, trainwreck in practice'...

Godular wrote:

La xinga wrote:It's not hollow, I already told you my proof, and considering that you're going off the thread topic, I wont re-post it.

Your proof never existed. You rather literally have nothing, which means you are essentially treating any prospect of your specific faith appearing in schools as a self-aggrandizing soap-box with no other purpose than to evangelize.

No, your post makes no sense.

If the book were 'perfect' as you claim it to be, the meaning on its pages would be clear to all, regardless of what language they speak, and it would not be subject to different interpretations. As different interpretations exist, and the book must be translated, we must conclude that the text is not 'perfect'.

Necroghastia wrote:

La xinga wrote:LOL I'm not Catholic.

But you said schools should be free to ignore what doesn't suit their religion. I made no claim of what your own religion was.

And no, I do not believe books that are not of my religion. Why?

So they're less truthful, to you? Then why should they be taught as fact?

So they're less truthful, to you? Then why should they be taught as fact?