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Temple State wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:
Not really, I am just pointing out that if you want to discuss scientific topics, perhaps you should use scientific terms correctly, and not sprinkle them into your posts in order to sound more intelligent, as it usually has the opposite effect.

Frankly, I am uninterested in debating evolution with someone who thinks the Bible counts as a scientific resource.

Quantum leap as a term is not just used in physics. And in sporting terms what you just did was a walkover. Bye.

Yes an evolution is not a term only used in biology, so what is your point?

Jedi Council wrote:

Hellslayer wrote:Oh, shame, thread been hijacked by science debates. Ah well. RIP religious debate.

When discussing religion in schools, it is inevitable that the Science v Religion discussion will come up. They are fundamentally incompatible disciplines.

No they aren't. Maybe if you stop hanging on r/atheism you'd realize that eventually.

Godular wrote:

Temple State wrote:
Instead of daring to face my questions you argue semantics. Cute.

You’ve some gall to speak on that. You’re the one trying to force some presumed difference between invented terms of microevolution and macroevolution down our throats when there is no scientific basis to claim that there is any such difference whatsoever.

To be fair that was a term scientists used. Unfortunately it has been misused by creationists.

Temple State wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:
Not really, I am just pointing out that if you want to discuss scientific topics, perhaps you should use scientific terms correctly, and not sprinkle them into your posts in order to sound more intelligent, as it usually has the opposite effect.

Frankly, I am uninterested in debating evolution with someone who thinks the Bible counts as a scientific resource.

Quantum leap as a term is not just used in physics. And in sporting terms what you just did was a walkover. Bye.

Not only can the sort of change you're describing not happen in evolution, it would actually disprove evolution if it did happen.

The fact that you think evolution requires it, proves that you don't understand what evolution is, or how it works.

Temple State wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:When discussing religion in schools, it is inevitable that the Science v Religion discussion will come up. They are fundamentally incompatible disciplines.

No they aren't. Maybe if you stop hanging on r/atheism you'd realize that eventually.

They use entirely different methods to understand the world.

Religion, for the most part, is based on faith, which is a concept totally impossible to reconcile with science.

Temple State wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:When discussing religion in schools, it is inevitable that the Science v Religion discussion will come up. They are fundamentally incompatible disciplines.

No they aren't. Maybe if you stop hanging on r/atheism you'd realize that eventually.

Jesus. How young are you?

Temple State wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:When discussing religion in schools, it is inevitable that the Science v Religion discussion will come up. They are fundamentally incompatible disciplines.

No they aren't. Maybe if you stop hanging on r/atheism you'd realize that eventually.

Says science and religion are compatible, keeps yammering on about how Evolution is wrong. I do believe that right there is what we call irony.

From now on, since the thread devolved into bashing Christian Faith, I will just cease with discussing and start agitating against stupid atheism if you like.

The atheist thoughts of a day:
"If God real, why I fat?"
"If magical sky daddy real, why universe magically popped into existence from nowhere?"
"If God real, why I don't have friends?"
"If God real, why he don't give me gf?"
"If God real, why I suffer?"
"If God real, why I don't get all I wish for?"

And more, indicating that the theology of a five year old, is truly the mindset of the atheist.

People are already complaining about you guys hijacking this thread, wanna keep it up?

Have you tipped your fedoras for the day, gentlets?

Look, every time religion says something scientific, real science disproves it. Sun orbits the earth. Disproven. Earth and all animals made in 7 days. Disproven. How can you still believe such blatent nonsense? It was made before we could properly explain stuff to provide answers to questions like "Where did we come from?". Now we know the concept of evolution, but back then, it was God because they didn't know. Catch up to date, religion.

Temple State wrote:From now on, since the thread devolved into bashing Christian Faith, I will just cease with discussing and start agitating against stupid atheism if you like.

The atheist thoughts of a day:
"If God real, why I fat?"
"If magical sky daddy real, why universe magically popped into existence from nowhere?"
"If God real, why I don't have friends?"
"If God real, why he don't give me gf?"
"If God real, why I suffer?"
"If God real, why I don't get all I wish for?"

And more, indicating that the theology of a five year old, is truly the mindset of the atheist.

People are already complaining about you guys hijacking this thread, wanna keep it up?

What a lovely collection of strawmen you have there.

Jedi Council wrote:

Temple State wrote:From now on, since the thread devolved into bashing Christian Faith, I will just cease with discussing and start agitating against stupid atheism if you like.

The atheist thoughts of a day:
"If God real, why I fat?"
"If magical sky daddy real, why universe magically popped into existence from nowhere?"
"If God real, why I don't have friends?"
"If God real, why he don't give me gf?"
"If God real, why I suffer?"
"If God real, why I don't get all I wish for?"

And more, indicating that the theology of a five year old, is truly the mindset of the atheist.

People are already complaining about you guys hijacking this thread, wanna keep it up?

What a lovely collection of strawmen you have there.

I said I was grateful that people keep showing why religion should not be taught in school, but truthfully...I wish this where not the case. I don't want to have examples of why it should not be taught in school.

Temple State wrote:From now on, since the thread devolved into bashing Christian Faith, I will just cease with discussing and start agitating against stupid atheism if you like.

The atheist thoughts of a day:
"If God real, why I fat?"
"If magical sky daddy real, why universe magically popped into existence from nowhere?"
"If God real, why I don't have friends?"
"If God real, why he don't give me gf?"
"If God real, why I suffer?"
"If God real, why I don't get all I wish for?"

And more, indicating that the theology of a five year old, is truly the mindset of the atheist.

People are already complaining about you guys hijacking this thread, wanna keep it up?

How about these:
"If God real, how come he let there be evil? He says he loves everyone and he is all-powerful so why not get rid of bad things for us?"
"If God real, why does he not outright prove he exists, through a booming voice or something. I thought he was all powerful so surely he could show he exists?"
"If God real, why is he so stupid?

Temple State wrote:From now on, since the thread devolved into bashing Christian Faith, I will just cease with discussing and start agitating against stupid atheism if you like.

The atheist thoughts of a day:
"If God real, why I fat?"
"If magical sky daddy real, why universe magically popped into existence from nowhere?"
"If God real, why I don't have friends?"
"If God real, why he don't give me gf?"
"If God real, why I suffer?"
"If God real, why I don't get all I wish for?"

And more, indicating that the theology of a five year old, is truly the mindset of the atheist.

People are already complaining about you guys hijacking this thread, wanna keep it up?

Temple State wrote:Have you tipped your fedoras for the day, gentlets?

Thank you for making your intentions quite clear. Coupled with your prior warning history, *** Temple State, 7-day ban for trolling. ***


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Temple State wrote:Have you tipped your fedoras for the day, gentlets?

No. If anything, your infantile attempt at a mass strawman just reinforced our position.

Neutraligon wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:What a lovely collection of strawmen you have there.

I said I was grateful that people keep showing why religion should not be taught in school, but truthfully...I wish this where not the case. I don't want to have examples of why it should not be taught in school.

My Grandmother, a very devout Catholic, has said the only time she has ever been tempted by atheism was when she realized the incredible ignorance of so many within her own faith.

Jedi Council wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:I said I was grateful that people keep showing why religion should not be taught in school, but truthfully...I wish this where not the case. I don't want to have examples of why it should not be taught in school.

My Grandmother, a very devout Catholic, has said the only time she has ever been tempted by atheism was when she realized the incredible ignorance of so many within her own faith.

Catholics are if I remember right taught to accept science. God is the first mover as well as the being who "interferes." While I do not agree with Catholicism, I can accept that they believe that. I would still have issues with it being taught as fact in school, but at least they accept science.

Region of Dwipantara wrote:

Lanorth wrote:I don't think so. I believe religion is slowly becoming less relevant as more and more people become atheist, worldwide. The number of religious people, especially in my country, the UK, is falling significantly. I believe it will get to the stage one day, that religion here is irrelevent and that it won't be taught in schools.

Population growth is a significantly more important factor in determining the future of religion.

Sure. Mix atheist parents with their children. What do you get, a good amount of the time? Atheist children. I am an Atheist myself, I was brought up in a Protestant household. Protestant, mostly because my grandmother was from Northern Ireland and my grandfather Scottish. My grandfather is religious, just doesn't care about it and my grandmother is very religious. My grandfather is also a veteran of The Troubles and served in Germany, too. That, I would say, plays a rather important factor with my mother, who is also religious and Protestant. Everyone my age that I know is atheist or doesn't believe in God. Sure, some do, however 95% of people I know, or around that are atheist.

Neutraligon wrote:

Jedi Council wrote:My Grandmother, a very devout Catholic, has said the only time she has ever been tempted by atheism was when she realized the incredible ignorance of so many within her own faith.

Catholics are if I remember right taught to accept science. God is the first mover as well as the being who "interferes." While I do not agree with Catholicism, I can accept that they believe that. I would still have issues with it being taught as fact in school, but at least they accept science.

As a former Catholic. To a point they accept it. When it goes into certain areas; not so accepting. Fetal cells for example......

The Black Forrest wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:Catholics are if I remember right taught to accept science. God is the first mover as well as the being who "interferes." While I do not agree with Catholicism, I can accept that they believe that. I would still have issues with it being taught as fact in school, but at least they accept science.

As a former Catholic. To a point they accept it. When it goes into certain areas; not so accepting. Fetal cells for example......

As far as I understand it, they do not disagree with the science itself, rather they feel it is immoral for that form of science to be used.

I think religion would be important in school because it is like learning LOTE (language other than English) which helps boost thought and has been proven to make students smarter and they learn another language. It is a bit like that + you learn a religion which you can teach others, believe in yourself and if students really don’t want to do it, they shouldn’t need to as it is abusive to teach religion they don’t believe in.

No. You are there to learn objective information, not the existence of a god. Practice religion all you want, but don't force students to pray or whatever.

Neutraligon wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
As a former Catholic. To a point they accept it. When it goes into certain areas; not so accepting. Fetal cells for example......

As far as I understand it, they do not disagree with the science itself, rather they feel it is immoral for that form of science to be used.

Hmmm? You can't claim to support it if you declare it immoral and work against it.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:As far as I understand it, they do not disagree with the science itself, rather they feel it is immoral for that form of science to be used.

Hmmm? You can't claim to support it if you declare it immoral and work against it.

Different form of support. The believe that the science achieved is real etc, they just do not think it is moral to use.

La xinga wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:Look up upside down city mirage

So the splitting of the sea, a hallucination for about 3 million people? Same for giving of the Torah, Korach and his men getting swallowed by the ground, the walls around Yericho, the burning of Sancheriv's army, all hallucinations?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness <--- this is what happened to them
There was supposedly a mass hallucination in Portugal in 1917 where people thought the sun was changing colors and moving. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun. It very clearly didn't happen, and yet those less believable things supposedly did?
Anyways, back to teaching religion in schools, which is once again a hard no. Unless it's for historical and secular purposes. You can't teach something in school if you can't prove it.