Should Religions Be Taught in Schools?

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Yes. Mandatory prayer time and Bible study class.

If you were a student and forced to pray to Allah or Krishna, I suspect you wouldn't like that. Perhaps then you could empathize with non-Christians who don't want to be forced to pray to your God.

[Ifreann]

You can't just change how God thinks that marriages should work.

No. But God gave people different personalities, so they should act according to how he created them. And if it doesn't fit the idea of gender roles, then it can be an exception.

Heresy.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Yah, none.

IDK, I'm not the first one to notice how very much like a religion communism seems at times.

I'll tell you right now that anything that communism has made is not even close to religion. Communism explicitly sees religion as part of the oppression of the working class, and as a mere tool used by capitalist societies.

Also, if your talking about Stalin or Mao, that is not religion. That is a cult, and communists that have actually read theory (i.e not Reddit) hate those types of totalitarians.

Btw, not communist if your wondering, just a former one. Now back to the subject at hand, on which I've already said religion shouldn't be evangelized in schools.

[New haven america]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but gendered roles existed before Rome did. By and large they've been around since we settled down and ceased to be nomads.

Yeah and if anything the most sexist society was pre-Christian Ancient Greece.

What we consider to be modern western gender roles (At least up until the 1950's) started in Rome and mainly propagated and secured themselves in areas of former Roman control Christianity and aspirations to reach the same level of power as they did.

[New haven america]

Yeah and if anything the most sexist society was pre-Christian Ancient Greece.

I recall reading that Zoroastrian Persia was incredibly strict when it came to gender roles.

then it adopted a new monotheistic religion that edited itself to better suit the general Roman population

You are wrong

Nope, Christiany edited itself to both fit better with Roman culture and to be more widely accepted.

[Godular]

Yes. Mandatory prayer time and Bible study class.

And just to be fair, mandatory idol worship and participation in the daily goat sacrifice.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Yes. Mandatory prayer time and Bible study class.

Excellent. So you'll be permitting identical time for satanism, buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam, yes?

Don’t forget Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Wicca and Pastafarianism.

[Geneviev]

Yes. Mandatory prayer time and Bible study class.

What about other religions?

No. But God gave people different personalities, so they should act according to how he created them. And if it doesn't fit the idea of gender roles, then it can be an exception.

Heresy.

I don't think so, but if you want.

[Neanderthaland]

IDK, I'm not the first one to notice how very much like a religion communism seems at times.

I'll tell you right now that anything that communism has made is not even close to religion. Communism explicitly sees religion as part of the oppression of the working class, and as a mere tool used by capitalist societies.

Which is what makes it delightfully ironic.

[Neanderthaland]

Yeah and if anything the most sexist society was pre-Christian Ancient Greece.

I recall reading that Zoroastrian Persia was incredibly strict when it came to gender roles.

I actually know quite a bit about Zoroastrian Persia, but I don't recall ever hearing this.

I suspect it isn't strictly true. Not because Zoroastrian Persia is an ideal society, or anything. But because Zoroastrian Persia is too long a period of time, over too wide an area, with too many different cultures for it to be consistently anything.

It might be true if you limited it to just ethnic Persians under a single dynasty. Say: the Sassanids. Although I would still want sources.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

I'll tell you right now that anything that communism has made is not even close to religion. Communism explicitly sees religion as part of the oppression of the working class, and as a mere tool used by capitalist societies.

Which is what makes it delightfully ironic.

Also, if your talking about Stalin or Mao, that is not religion. That is a cult, and communists that have actually read theory (i.e not Reddit) hate those types of totalitarians.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Excellent. So you'll be permitting identical time for satanism, buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam, yes?

Don’t forget Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Wicca and Pastafarianism.

And also the 99,999 various pagan religions from all across the world

[Albrenia]

I'll tell you right now that anything that communism has made is not even close to religion. Communism explicitly sees religion as part of the oppression of the working class, and as a mere tool used by capitalist societies.

Which is what makes it delightfully ironic.

For at least some flavours of Communism I suspect they are very similar to religions in a lot of ways.

[Neanderthaland]

Which is what makes it delightfully ironic.

Also, if your talking about Stalin or Mao, that is not religion. That is a cult, and communists that have actually read theory (i.e not Reddit) hate those types of totalitarians.

It's not just the cults of personality. It's the whole vibe. The scriptures, the dogmas, the martyrs, the miracles (Lysenko's biology anyone?), the art, the architecture, the heresy hunts.

All in all, communist states come off as pretty religious.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Which is what makes it delightfully ironic.

For at least some flavours of Communism I suspect they are very similar to religions in a lot of ways.

It's not just the cults of personality. It's the whole vibe. The scriptures, the dogmas, the martyrs, the miracles (Lysenko's biology anyone?), the art, the architecture, the heresy hunts.

All in all, communist states come off as pretty religious.

1. Martyrs? Miracles? Please, enlighten me. (more on the miracles side than the martyrs side)
2. Definitely sounds like a cult cult, not just a cult of personality.
3. If it was truly a religion it wouldn't be so focused centrally on one key leader
4. It's missing some other key aspects (divine intervention anyone?) and things like that, so at best it's only a framework for a religion.
5. Lysenko's biology is not a part of communism at all. It is a product of the Soviet Union. That is all.

[Neanderthaland]

For at least some flavours of Communism I suspect they are very similar to religions in a lot of ways.

It's not just the cults of personality. It's the whole vibe. The scriptures, the dogmas, the martyrs, the miracles (Lysenko's biology anyone?), the art, the architecture, the heresy hunts.

All in all, communist states come off as pretty religious.

1. Martyrs? Miracles? Please, enlighten me. (more on the miracles side than the martyrs side)

It's weird that you'd ask given that's the only one I provided a specific example of. Lysenko's pseudo-scientific biology, that was going to produce multiple extra harvests a year and solve all hunger. Somehow.

2. Definitely sounds like a cult cult, not just a cult of personality.

Okay? It's a weird sort of argument to say that something doesn't sound religious, because it's too cultish.

3. If it was truly a religion it wouldn't be so focused centrally on one key leader

Two: in the case of the Soviet Union. Who were venerated as something like saints or prophets after their death.

4. It's missing some other key aspects (divine intervention anyone?) and things like that, so at best it's only a framework for a religion.

It's an atheist religion, but a religion nonetheless. But I don't think you could seriously argue that the Soviets didn't speak in those tones about their victory over the Germans. As though the truth of Communism had somehow enabled their victory.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

1. Martyrs? Miracles? Please, enlighten me. (more on the miracles side than the martyrs side)

It's weird that you'd ask given that's the only one I provided a specific example of. Lysenko's pseudo-scientific biology, that was going to produce multiple extra harvests a year and solve all hunger. Somehow.

2. Definitely sounds like a cult cult, not just a cult of personality.

Okay? It's a weird sort of argument to say that something doesn't sound religious, because it's too cultish.

3. If it was truly a religion it wouldn't be so focused centrally on one key leader

Two: in the case of the Soviet Union. Who were venerated as something like saints or prophets after their death.

4. It's missing some other key aspects (divine intervention anyone?) and things like that, so at best it's only a framework for a religion.

It's an atheist religion, but a religion nonetheless. But I don't think you could seriously argue that the Soviets didn't speak in those tones about their victory over the Germans. As though the truth of Communism had somehow enabled their victory.

See number 5.

Fair point on it being a religion, but "atheist religion" sounds completely contradictory.
Atheism explicitly denies the existence of deities and the supernatural, including the idea that communist leaders like Kim Fatty III are deities.

[Neanderthaland]

It's weird that you'd ask given that's the only one I provided a specific example of. Lysenko's pseudo-scientific biology, that was going to produce multiple extra harvests a year and solve all hunger. Somehow.


Okay? It's a weird sort of argument to say that something doesn't sound religious, because it's too cultish.


Two: in the case of the Soviet Union. Who were venerated as something like saints or prophets after their death.


It's an atheist religion, but a religion nonetheless. But I don't think you could seriously argue that the Soviets didn't speak in those tones about their victory over the Germans. As though the truth of Communism had somehow enabled their victory.

See number 5.

Fair point on it being a religion, but "atheist religion" sounds completely contradictory.
Atheism explicitly denies the existence of deities, including deified communist leaders like Kim Fatty III.

But... there are atheist religions.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

But... there are atheist religions.

If you use Atheist as in godless then yes, things like Buddhism would count.

[Rojava Free State]

But... there are atheist religions.

If you use Atheist as in godless then yes, things like Buddhism would count.

Buddhism doesn't really talk about gods. Some Buddhists are atheist and some are polytheist. The thing that unites all Buddhists is the belief that even if there are Gods, they can't help you. No one can. Only you can save yourself.

[Luziyca]

Only in the sense that "these religions exist, and here are their beliefs." Surface-level stuff.

That being said, I do kinda want for the beliefs/pre-contact religion of the indigenous peoples to be revived and to be taught in school, much like State Shinto in Imperial Japan.

[Xmara]

Don’t forget Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Wicca and Pastafarianism.

And also the 99,999 various pagan religions from all across the world

And all the UFO cults

[Geneviev]

And also the 99,999 various pagan religions from all across the world

And all the UFO cults

That would be going too far.

[The Alma Mater]

And also the 99,999 various pagan religions from all across the world

And all the UFO cults

Indeed. What if one does not believe in gods, but does believe in aliens, leprechauns at the end of the rainbow or Trump being the best president ever ? Those people also deserve time for their beliefs.

[The Alma Mater]

And all the UFO cults

That would be going too far.

Where is the line exactly ? Scientology ?
And technically christianity is alien worship. God after all is not from earth - he made it.