Should Religions Be Taught in Schools?

[Neutraligon]

You o realize that babes are influenced by how they are raised and the environment around them. If the society at large holds that women tend to certain things and are raised to believe they should tend to a certain thing...they usually as an adult tend to a certain thing right?

That would happen, but it can become natural to them.

Hence cycle...

[New haven america]

Well, yes, as you indicate, 99.9% of the time, the concept of a head of a family is rather useless. Basically, what it comes down to is that if a neighbor's baseball goes through your family's window, the men should, by default, be the ones to handle the problem. If the women do so instead, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just not the typical arrangement.

Why is that typically a man's job?

Because a couple 1000 or so years ago this country called Rome existed and decreed what people were able to do or responsible for based on what was between a person's legs, and then it adopted a new monotheistic religion that edited itself to better suit the general Roman population, and then the country fell but its influences lasted to this very day through both the religion it adopted as well as the example of how successful Rome was as a nation.

[Geneviev]

Right. But the way people are treated should be based on how they act, not their gender. So they shouldn't really be caused to act a certain way if it's not their actual personality.

People don't live in little bubbles where society doesn't effect them until they're adults with fully-developed personalities.

If you have a society where you treat men and women differently, then boys and girls are going to pick up on that.

That's why it shouldn't be strictly based on gender. You shouldn't try to influence kids to be something they're not.

[Neutraligon]

People don't live in little bubbles where society doesn't effect them until they're adults with fully-developed personalities.

If you have a society where you treat men and women differently, then boys and girls are going to pick up on that.

That's why it shouldn't be strictly based on gender. You shouldn't try to influence kids to be something they're not.

Society influences without trying to do anything. Well, except those on the spectrum possibly.

[Geneviev]

That's why it shouldn't be strictly based on gender. You shouldn't try to influence kids to be something they're not.

Society influences without trying to do anything. Well, except those on the spectrum possibly.

It should try to avoid it.

[Nakena]

Western, particularly American, concepts of masculinity are to blame for that belief.

Quite so.

Still not understanding why it would be, or should be, a religious tenant though.

It's mostly rooted in the roman concept of "pater familias"

[New haven america]

You do realize that what you are suggesting is a cycle, right?

I don't see how it is.

You're saying that if genders act differently then they should be treated differently based on their gender.

However, that's not the case for most people growing up. Children up until grade school age tend to behave the same or similar, with actual behavioral differences between the genders usually appearing around grade school ages, where boys are encouraged to take up extracurricular and play activities that focus more on self-reliance (Or if it's a team work activity, aggression) while girls are encouraged to take up activities that are more focused on team work or nurturing (Or if they have to be on their own, focus more on things that appear beautiful or elegant). Even though up until that point both sexes generally have a pretty similar and even mix of aggressive/nurturing behavior.

[Geneviev]

I don't see how it is.

You're saying that if genders act differently then they should be treated differently based on their gender.

However, that's not the case for most people growing up. Children up until grade school age tend to behave the same or similar, with actual behavioral differences between the genders usually appearing around grade school ages, where boys are encouraged to take up extracurricular and play activities that focus more on self-reliance (Or if it's a team work activity, aggression) while girls are encouraged to take up activities that are more focused on team work or nurturing (Or if they have to be on their own, focus more on things that appear beautiful or elegant). Even though up until that point both sexes generally have a pretty similar and even mix of aggressive/nurturing behavior.

That shouldn't happen. They shouldn't be forced to act differently based on their gender, they should do what they want.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why is that typically a man's job?

Because a couple 1000 or so years ago this country called Rome existed and decreed what people were able to do or responsible for based on what was between a person's legs, and then it adopted a new monotheistic religion that edited itself to better suit the general Roman population, and then the country fell but its influences lasted to this very day through both the religion it adopted as well as the example of how successful Rome was as a nation.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but gendered roles existed before Rome did. By and large they've been around since we settled down and ceased to be nomads.

[Rojava Free State]

Because a couple 1000 or so years ago this country called Rome existed and decreed what people were able to do or responsible for based on what was between a person's legs, and then it adopted a new monotheistic religion that edited itself to better suit the general Roman population, and then the country fell but its influences lasted to this very day through both the religion it adopted as well as the example of how successful Rome was as a nation.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but gendered roles existed before Rome did. By and large they've been around since we settled down and ceased to be nomads.

Yeah and if anything the most sexist society was pre-Christian Ancient Greece.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but gendered roles existed before Rome did. By and large they've been around since we settled down and ceased to be nomads.

Yeah and if anything the most sexist society was pre-Christian Ancient Greece.

Shit you can go all the way back to Sumer and gendered roles still existed. It's certainly not a Roman, or Christian, invention.

[Katganistan]

Because a couple 1000 or so years ago this country called Rome existed and decreed what people were able to do or responsible for based on what was between a person's legs, and then it adopted a new monotheistic religion that edited itself to better suit the general Roman population, and then the country fell but its influences lasted to this very day through both the religion it adopted as well as the example of how successful Rome was as a nation.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but gendered roles existed before Rome did. By and large they've been around since we settled down and ceased to be nomads.

They're outdated and ridiculous, though.
Women don't need to be sheltered any more than men do.
Women can work at the same jobs men do (and vice versa).
Women can repair plumbing, broken windows and appliances, as men do.
Etc., etc., etc.

[Confessional Korea]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but gendered roles existed before Rome did. By and large they've been around since we settled down and ceased to be nomads.

Yeah and if anything the most sexist society was pre-Christian Ancient Greece.

I recall reading that Zoroastrian Persia was incredibly strict when it came to gender roles.

then it adopted a new monotheistic religion that edited itself to better suit the general Roman population

You are wrong

[Rojava Free State]

Yeah and if anything the most sexist society was pre-Christian Ancient Greece.

Shit you can go all the way back to Sumer and gendered roles still existed. It's certainly not a Roman, or Christian, invention.

There were probably even gender roles in prehistoric societies (just based on how hunter gatherers these days organize their cultures) albeit far less restrictive and unequal ones.

[Ifreann]

You're saying that if genders act differently then they should be treated differently based on their gender.

However, that's not the case for most people growing up. Children up until grade school age tend to behave the same or similar, with actual behavioral differences between the genders usually appearing around grade school ages, where boys are encouraged to take up extracurricular and play activities that focus more on self-reliance (Or if it's a team work activity, aggression) while girls are encouraged to take up activities that are more focused on team work or nurturing (Or if they have to be on their own, focus more on things that appear beautiful or elegant). Even though up until that point both sexes generally have a pretty similar and even mix of aggressive/nurturing behavior.

That shouldn't happen. They shouldn't be forced to act differently based on their gender, they should do what they want.

Ephesians 5:21-33

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Yeah and if anything the most sexist society was pre-Christian Ancient Greece.

Shit you can go all the way back to Sumer and gendered roles still existed. It's certainly not a Roman, or Christian, invention.

I think the point was that Rome, which was historically a pretty big deal, kind of secured the position of Christian gender roles in Europe. Not that Rome invented the concept of gender roles.

[Geneviev]

That shouldn't happen. They shouldn't be forced to act differently based on their gender, they should do what they want.

Ephesians 5:21-33

That doesn't always have to be based on gender.

[Ifreann]

Ephesians 5:21-33

That doesn't always have to be based on gender.

Yes it does, "wife" and "husband" are very obviously gendered terms.

[Geneviev]

That doesn't always have to be based on gender.

Yes it does, "wife" and "husband" are very obviously gendered terms.

Yes, but they can be changed.

[Ifreann]

Yes it does, "wife" and "husband" are very obviously gendered terms.

Yes, but they can be changed.

You can't just change how God thinks that marriages should work.

[West Leas Oros 2]

If schools want to teach religion, it should be in an unbiased way that doesn’t try to proselytize. We teach ancient religions in schools, we learn about religion in history classes, but religion is treated as an object of study.

[The Alma Mater]

Yes, but they can be changed.

You can't just change how God thinks that marriages should work.

between one man and many women, betweeen one man and a kitchen condiment, between one man and his help...

[West Leas Oros 2]

Yes, but they can be changed.

You can't just change how God thinks that marriages should work.

It’s pure folly to assume that we know the opinions of an all powerful deity. God might not even care about a petty human concept like marriage.

[Geneviev]

Yes, but they can be changed.

You can't just change how God thinks that marriages should work.

No. But God gave people different personalities, so they should act according to how he created them. And if it doesn't fit the idea of gender roles, then it can be an exception.

[North American Environmental Alliance]

Yes. Mandatory prayer time and Bible study class.

[Kernen]

Yes. Mandatory prayer time and Bible study class.

Excellent. So you'll be permitting identical time for satanism, buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam, yes?