Should Religions Be Taught in Schools?

[Jedi Council]

Why is that typically a man's job?

Western, particularly American, concepts of masculinity are to blame for that belief.

Quite so.

Still not understanding why it would be, or should be, a religious tenant though.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Western, particularly American, concepts of masculinity are to blame for that belief.

Quite so.

Still not understanding why it would be, or should be, a religious tenant though.

Aye, it is quite nonsensical.

[Ifreann]

I was being flippant

Ah. Anyway, I think that any good Catholic would agree that men should not flaunt or abuse their familial headship.

Any good person would suggest that if a family indeed needs someone to head it, then that role need not be filled by a man.

[Katganistan]

I would reject any arrangement or partnership where one side has authority over the other.

It is generally more efficient that way. And usually one side is more qualified than the other to have authority. There can be exceptions, but that is usually what happens.

So having a penis makes one more qualified?
Doubtful.

[The New California Republic]

It is generally more efficient that way. And usually one side is more qualified than the other to have authority. There can be exceptions, but that is usually what happens.

So having a penis makes one more qualified?
Doubtful.

https://youtu.be/YPKMn28gvxw?t=12

[Katganistan]

Got any actual evidence that it is usually true?

It's worked that way for centuries. That wouldn't be possible if it were wrong.

There are matriarchal societies that have worked that way for centuries as well.

there should be more equality between religion and political ideology. notice the similarities between christianity and communism or islam and nazism

Yah, none.

[Atheris]

there should be more equality between religion and political ideology. notice the similarities between christianity and communism or islam and nazism

...What?

[Neanderthaland]

there should be more equality between religion and political ideology. notice the similarities between christianity and communism or islam and nazism

Yah, none.

IDK, I'm not the first one to notice how very much like a religion communism seems at times.

[Katganistan]

In private schools, of course. In public, let them be elective classes. Freedom of religion, you know. Religious people pay taxes too.

Student groups are OK anywhere. Freedom, you know.

That's not what freedom of religion means.

It means the government will not tell you you MUST be a member of the state religion or face consequences.

It means the government will not interfere in your right to practice the religion you cherish.

It means the government will not punish you for not being religious at all.

Atheists pay taxes too, so your argument is pretty weak.

I find the concept of familial headship automatically being conferred upon men to be pretty unacceptable.

Frankly, I find the concept of familial headship itself unacceptable

Well, yes, as you indicate, 99.9% of the time, the concept of a head of a family is rather useless. Basically, what it comes down to is that if a neighbor's baseball goes through your family's window, the men should, by default, be the ones to handle the problem. If the women do so instead, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just not the typical arrangement.

Why?
What makes a woman unable to talk to her neighbor, pay for a broken window, or fix it if she wishes?

[Geneviev]

In private schools, of course. In public, let them be elective classes. Freedom of religion, you know. Religious people pay taxes too.

Student groups are OK anywhere. Freedom, you know.

Religious organizations are tax exempt. I don't know if saying religious people pay taxes too is completely accurate.

It's worked that way for centuries. That wouldn't be possible if it were wrong.

There are matriarchal societies that have worked that way for centuries as well.

It's possible that women are more likely to have those traits there, then. I don't really know.

[Jedi Council]

In private schools, of course. In public, let them be elective classes. Freedom of religion, you know. Religious people pay taxes too.

Student groups are OK anywhere. Freedom, you know.

Religious organizations are tax exempt. I don't know if saying religious people pay taxes too is completely accurate.

There are matriarchal societies that have worked that way for centuries as well.

It's possible that women are more likely to have those traits there, then. I don't really know.

Or maybe it's even more likely these traits are grown via life experience, regardless of sex?

[Rojava Free State]

Well, yes, as you indicate, 99.9% of the time, the concept of a head of a family is rather useless. Basically, what it comes down to is that if a neighbor's baseball goes through your family's window, the men should, by default, be the ones to handle the problem. If the women do so instead, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just not the typical arrangement.

Why is that typically a man's job?

Cause traditional 1950s American values held that women are weak and stupid and need men to defend them.

[Geneviev]

Religious organizations are tax exempt. I don't know if saying religious people pay taxes too is completely accurate.


It's possible that women are more likely to have those traits there, then. I don't really know.

Or maybe it's even more likely these traits are grown via life experience, regardless of sex?

It can be life experience, but there are still generally differences. Even if they aren't biological.

[Jedi Council]

Or maybe it's even more likely these traits are grown via life experience, regardless of sex?

It can be life experience, but there are still generally differences. Even if they aren't biological.

So if it is not biological (its not) and it's not through life experience, what is it in your mind?

[Neanderthaland]

Or maybe it's even more likely these traits are grown via life experience, regardless of sex?

It can be life experience, but there are still generally differences. Even if they aren't biological.

Remember kids: when you've got nothing, just repeat yourself over and over again.

[Geneviev]

It can be life experience, but there are still generally differences. Even if they aren't biological.

So if it is not biological (its not) and it's not through life experience, what is it in your mind?

It's a pattern of similarities between most people that is different between genders, with some exceptions. The exceptions are usually people who weren't taught to follow traditional gender roles, so there is that.

[Neutraligon]

So if it is not biological (its not) and it's not through life experience, what is it in your mind?

It's a pattern of similarities between most people that is different between genders, with some exceptions. The exceptions are usually people who weren't taught to follow traditional gender roles, so there is that.

So are you saying is that if we continue not to teach gender roles so that the differences disappear, you will change your mind about men being the authority?

[Geneviev]

It's a pattern of similarities between most people that is different between genders, with some exceptions. The exceptions are usually people who weren't taught to follow traditional gender roles, so there is that.

So are you saying is that if we continue not to teach gender roles so that the differences disappear, you will change your mind about men being the authority?

Yes. If there are no differences anymore, it would be ridiculous to treat the genders differently.

[Neutraligon]

So are you saying is that if we continue not to teach gender roles so that the differences disappear, you will change your mind about men being the authority?

Yes. If there are no differences anymore, it would be ridiculous to treat the genders differently.

You do realize that what you are suggesting is a cycle, right?

[Geneviev]

Yes. If there are no differences anymore, it would be ridiculous to treat the genders differently.

You do realize that what you are suggesting is a cycle, right?

I don't see how it is.

[Neanderthaland]

You do realize that what you are suggesting is a cycle, right?

I don't see how it is.

Because you are saying that if genders act differently, they should be treated differently.

But treating them differently is what causes them to act differently in the first place.

[Geneviev]

I don't see how it is.

Because you are saying that if genders act differently, they should be treated differently.

But treating them differently is what causes them to act differently in the first place.

Right. But the way people are treated should be based on how they act, not their gender. So they shouldn't really be caused to act a certain way if it's not their actual personality.

[Neutraligon]

Because you are saying that if genders act differently, they should be treated differently.

But treating them differently is what causes them to act differently in the first place.

Right. But the way people are treated should be based on how they act, not their gender. So they shouldn't really be caused to act a certain way if it's not their actual personality.

You o realize that babes are influenced by how they are raised and the environment around them. If the society at large holds that women tend to certain things and are raised to believe they should tend to a certain thing...they usually as an adult tend to a certain thing right?

[Geneviev]

Right. But the way people are treated should be based on how they act, not their gender. So they shouldn't really be caused to act a certain way if it's not their actual personality.

You o realize that babes are influenced by how they are raised and the environment around them. If the society at large holds that women tend to certain things and are raised to believe they should tend to a certain thing...they usually as an adult tend to a certain thing right?

That would happen, but it can become natural to them.

[Neanderthaland]

Because you are saying that if genders act differently, they should be treated differently.

But treating them differently is what causes them to act differently in the first place.

Right. But the way people are treated should be based on how they act, not their gender. So they shouldn't really be caused to act a certain way if it's not their actual personality.

People don't live in little bubbles where society doesn't effect them until they're adults with fully-developed personalities.

If you have a society where you treat men and women differently, then boys and girls are going to pick up on that.