Should Religions Be Taught in Schools?

[Neutraligon]

Well that and even if somehow something like a gorilla evolved from a human, they would still be human. In modern biology you do not grow out of your ancestor so they would still be humans.

The taxonomic term 'family' and the biblical term 'kind' is not exactly overlapping perfectly, so I'd say monkeys are not the same kind as us, since we cannot produce bastard offspring even. God forbid that atheists would try that again (like under Stalin).

So define kind. Would be nice to know what that means since you used it for micro evolution. Are killer whales and bottle nose dolphins the same kind? Are those the same kind as the yangtze river dolphin? For that matter, define family when it comes to biology.

[Temple State]

The taxonomic term 'family' and the biblical term 'kind' is not exactly overlapping perfectly, so I'd say monkeys are not the same kind as us, since we cannot produce bastard offspring even. God forbid that atheists would try that again (like under Stalin).

So define kind. Would be nice to know what that means since you used it for micro evolution. Are killer whales and bottle nose dolphins the same kind? Are those the same
kind as the yangtze river dolphin? For that matter, define family when it comes to biology.

Can they produce offspring together? If not then they are not the same kind.

[Jedi Council]

The way Hox genes work, you would never evolve half a limb.

You could get six limbs, maybe. A couple of arms growing out of your head. I doubt they'd be very functional, and you'd probably die. But it could happen.

This is kind of pointless though, since everything that evolved with four limbs evolved from ancestors that also had four limbs. All the way back to fish that had four flippers, and a tail. So we haven't really needed to evolve another limb any time in the last few hundred million years.

Explain arthropods and cephalopods.

Are you saying limb evolution is made by spontaneous quantum leaps? That's hilarious.

Do you know what a quantum leap is or do you just like using terms that make what you say sound intelligent?

Because if is the former, you are using the term wrong, and if it is the latter, you are not succeeding.

[Temple State]

Explain arthropods and cephalopods.

Are you saying limb evolution is made by spontaneous quantum leaps? That's hilarious.

Do you know what a quantum leap is or do you just like using terms that make what you say sound intelligent?

Because if is the former, you are using the term wrong, and if it is the latter, you are not succeeding.

A whole lot of nothing coming from you. He's saying limbs can spring up within a generation in a lineage, that's defined as a quantum leap. No go read some SW comic books instead and let the grownups talk.

[Neutraligon]

So define kind. Would be nice to know what that means since you used it for micro evolution. Are killer whales and bottle nose dolphins the same kind? Are those the same
kind as the yangtze river dolphin? For that matter, define family when it comes to biology.

Can they reproduce offspring together? If not then they are not the same kind.

Ah so then you basically mean species. Most animals in the same family cannot reproduce with each other. After all...gorillas and humans are in the same family. So are killer wales and bottle nose dolphins. So are hyenas and wolves.

[Jedi Council]

Do you know what a quantum leap is or do you just like using terms that make what you say sound intelligent?

Because if is the former, you are using the term wrong, and if it is the latter, you are not succeeding.

A whole lot of nothing coming from you.

Not really, I am just curious if you know what a quantum leap actually is.

Because you seem to really like using the term.

[Godular]

The foundation of your concern is flawed. You keep speaking of wasted energy, but the simple fact is that when a new trait starts to propagate it is simply more efficient than the standard AT THE TIME. Early Eukaryotes didn’t have mitochondria at first, but by simple happenstance one eukaryotic cell just happened to nom a precursor to mitochondria and discovered it was more effective to let it stick around and churn out ATP than to digest it outright. A similar situation could have occurred billions of trillions of times before with no such thing occurring, but in that one instance the cell was suddenly much more effective at survival than its contemporaries.

It was a tiny change that was more effective at the time. It just worked out. It happens millions of times every day, and many times it comes to nothing, but sometimes a new trait (or even an old one getting repurposed) strikes gold.

No such fossils with just four and a half limbs, or five and a half. *sigh*

Just trying to invent new gaps to call out when trying the old ones doesn’t work anymore huh?

Vestigial limbs exist, ya know. Crabs can have asymmetrical claws, ya know. Oh dear, reality went and fucked up your argument.

[Neanderthaland]

The way Hox genes work, you would never evolve half a limb.

You could get six limbs, maybe. A couple of arms growing out of your head. I doubt they'd be very functional, and you'd probably die. But it could happen.

This is kind of pointless though, since everything that evolved with four limbs evolved from ancestors that also had four limbs. All the way back to fish that had four flippers, and a tail. So we haven't really needed to evolve another limb any time in the last few hundred million years.

Explain arthropods and cephalopods.

Are you saying limb evolution is made by spontaneous quantum leaps? That's hilarious.

Neither are vertebrates. And didn't evolve from vertebrates. Insects and arachnids haven't changed the number of limbs they possess in hundreds of millions of years, and generally don't have a reason to. Millipedes and centipedes can change the number of limbs they possess very easily through Hox gene duplication, since their bodies are made of identical segments.

Cephalopods are mollusks, and almost all lineages have either 10 or 8 limbs, and have for the last few hundred million years. Notably, the cephalopods with fewer limbs have lost limbs, rather than the ones with more growing new ones.

Anyway, your limbs evolved very slowly from flippers. We have basically every step of this process mapped out. It doesn't require any sudden big changes.

[Temple State]

Can they reproduce offspring together? If not then they are not the same kind.

Ah so then you basically mean species. Most animals in the same family cannot reproduce with each other. After all...gorillas and humans are in the same family. So are killer wales and bottle nose dolphins. So are hyenas and wolves.

You know there are exceptions to this.

[Neutraligon]

Ah so then you basically mean species. Most animals in the same family cannot reproduce with each other. After all...gorillas and humans are in the same family. So are killer wales and bottle nose dolphins. So are hyenas and wolves.

You know there are exceptions to this.

You are the one I am asking a definition for. I asked about the whale for a reason.

[Hellslayer]

NO! God is a lie invented by the church to control the people through fear - if you disobey us you'll burn in hell, that sort of thing - and to explain natural phenomona before science really took off. It's cruel to dupe kids like this then, so don't do it.
(PS. Yes I know I am called Hellslayer it is just a name and does not reflect my views at all).

[Jedi Council]

Do you know what a quantum leap is or do you just like using terms that make what you say sound intelligent?

Because if is the former, you are using the term wrong, and if it is the latter, you are not succeeding.

A whole lot of nothing coming from you. He's saying limbs can spring up within a generation in a lineage, that's defined as a quantum leap. No go read some SW comic books instead and let the grownups talk.

Well actually, no.

In terms of physics, a Quantum Jump (not leap though if you want you can interchange the terms) is " an abrupt transition of a system described by quantum mechanics from one of its discrete states to another, as the fall of an electron in an atom to an orbit of lower energy."

Colloquially, it is known to mean something more akin to how you share using it, which is to say a great, yet rapid, change. However, your use of the term in the colloquial sense does not lend any credence to what you say merely because it sounds like a scientific term.

[Godular]

The Bible =/= evidence, especially when discussing science.

Yes it is.

No, no it is not. There multitude of self contradictions invalidates most any contribution it could make on the matter.

[Temple State]

A whole lot of nothing coming from you. He's saying limbs can spring up within a generation in a lineage, that's defined as a quantum leap. No go read some SW comic books instead and let the grownups talk.

Well actually, no.

In terms of physics, a Quantum Jump (not leap though if you want you can interchange the terms) is " an abrupt transition of a system described by quantum mechanics from one of its discrete states to another, as the fall of an electron in an atom to an orbit of lower energy."

Colloquially, it is known to mean something more akin to how you share using it, which is to say a great, yet rapid, change. However, your use of the term in the colloquial sense does not lend any credence to what you say merely because it sounds like a scientific term.

Instead of daring to face my questions you argue semantics. Cute.

[Neutraligon]

Well actually, no.

In terms of physics, a Quantum Jump (not leap though if you want you can interchange the terms) is " an abrupt transition of a system described by quantum mechanics from one of its discrete states to another, as the fall of an electron in an atom to an orbit of lower energy."

Colloquially, it is known to mean something more akin to how you share using it, which is to say a great, yet rapid, change. However, your use of the term in the colloquial sense does not lend any credence to what you say merely because it sounds like a scientific term.

Instead of daring to face my questions you argue semantics. Cute.

Hello pot, meet the silverware.

[Hellslayer]

Oh, shame, thread been hijacked by science debates. Ah well. RIP religious debate.

[Temple State]

Yes it is.

No, no it is not. There multitude of self contradictions invalidates most any contribution it could make on the matter.

Yes. Yes it is. No contradictions, you just don't know what it says well enough. Or you listen to wacky Prots and their "Sola Scriptura"-interpretations of it.

[Jedi Council]

Well actually, no.

In terms of physics, a Quantum Jump (not leap though if you want you can interchange the terms) is " an abrupt transition of a system described by quantum mechanics from one of its discrete states to another, as the fall of an electron in an atom to an orbit of lower energy."

Colloquially, it is known to mean something more akin to how you share using it, which is to say a great, yet rapid, change. However, your use of the term in the colloquial sense does not lend any credence to what you say merely because it sounds like a scientific term.

Instead of daring to face my questions you argue semantics. Cute.

Not really, I am just pointing out that if you want to discuss scientific topics, perhaps you should use scientific terms correctly, and not sprinkle them into your posts in order to sound more intelligent, as it usually has the opposite effect.

Frankly, I am uninterested in debating evolution with someone who thinks the Bible counts as a scientific resource.

[Neanderthaland]

No, no it is not. There multitude of self contradictions invalidates most any contribution it could make on the matter.

Yes. Yes it is. No contradictions, you just don't know what it says well enough. Or you listen to wacky Prots and their "Sola Scriptura"-interpretations of it.

Supposedly Moses wrote this:
"Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth."

I put it to you, that this can't be true.

[Godular]

Well actually, no.

In terms of physics, a Quantum Jump (not leap though if you want you can interchange the terms) is " an abrupt transition of a system described by quantum mechanics from one of its discrete states to another, as the fall of an electron in an atom to an orbit of lower energy."

Colloquially, it is known to mean something more akin to how you share using it, which is to say a great, yet rapid, change. However, your use of the term in the colloquial sense does not lend any credence to what you say merely because it sounds like a scientific term.

Instead of daring to face my questions you argue semantics. Cute.

You’ve some gall to speak on that. You’re the one trying to force some presumed difference between invented terms of microevolution and macroevolution down our throats when there is no scientific basis to claim that there is any such difference whatsoever.

[Neutraligon]

Yes. Yes it is. No contradictions, you just don't know what it says well enough. Or you listen to wacky Prots and their "Sola Scriptura"-interpretations of it.

Supposedly Moses wrote this:
"Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth."

I put it to you, that this can't be true.

Sigh, it really speak poorly of education that so many are taught so wrongly about evolution.

[Jedi Council]

Oh, shame, thread been hijacked by science debates. Ah well. RIP religious debate.

When discussing religion in schools, it is inevitable that the Science v Religion discussion will come up. They are fundamentally incompatible disciplines.

[Temple State]

Instead of daring to face my questions you argue semantics. Cute.

Not really, I am just pointing out that if you want to discuss scientific topics, perhaps you should use scientific terms correctly, and not sprinkle them into your posts in order to sound more intelligent, as it usually has the opposite effect.

Frankly, I am uninterested in debating evolution with someone who thinks the Bible counts as a scientific resource.

Quantum leap as a term is not just used in physics. And in sporting terms what you just did was a walkover. Bye.

[Hellslayer]

Yes. Yes it is. No contradictions, you just don't know what it says well enough. Or you listen to wacky Prots and their "Sola Scriptura"-interpretations of it.

Supposedly Moses wrote this:
"Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth."

I put it to you, that this can't be true.

LOL and it was Jesus' friends who said that he never sinned. Seems a totally trustworthy source!

[Godular]

No, no it is not. There multitude of self contradictions invalidates most any contribution it could make on the matter.

Yes. Yes it is. No contradictions, you just don't know what it says well enough. Or you listen to wacky Prots and their "Sola Scriptura"-interpretations of it.

Cool, Pi is 3 then.

Oh wait, that’s dumbshit.