Should Religions Be Taught in Schools?

[Geneviev]

I did read it, but not recently. I might have remembered it incorrectly. But what I remember is that there are usually personality differences between genders, and men tend to have traits that are necessary for leadership.

So do women, albeit different sort of than males.

They are different though, and sometimes don't have the right personality to be the authority.

[Daves Computer]

So do women, albeit different sort of than males.

They are different though, and sometimes don't have the right personality to be the authority.

Ironically, that can also be said for men as well. Some men don't have the "right personality" of a leader, just as some women don't. These people shouldn't account for all of their gender.

[Geneviev]

They are different though, and sometimes don't have the right personality to be the authority.

Ironically, that can also be said for men as well. Some men don't have the "right personality" of a leader, just as some women don't. These people shouldn't account for all of their gender.

I do know that there are exceptions. I'm talking about what is true for most people, not all of them.

[Neutraligon]

So do women, albeit different sort of than males.

They are different though, and sometimes don't have the right personality to be the authority.

If you read it you would note that where the person grew up and age had a significant effect on the self reported personality traits. Do I need to explain how society and how someone is raised would effect how people self report, nor on the fact that this seems to have a great deal to do with nurture, not nature?

[Walstibia]

In private schools, of course. In public, let them be elective classes. Freedom of religion, you know. Religious people pay taxes too.

Student groups are OK anywhere. Freedom, you know.

[The Islands of Versilia]

So do women, albeit different sort of than males.

They are different though, and sometimes don't have the right personality to be the authority.

Neither do a lot of men. Particularly those with this attitude you’re peddling.

[Daves Computer]

Ironically, that can also be said for men as well. Some men don't have the "right personality" of a leader, just as some women don't. These people shouldn't account for all of their gender.

I do know that there are exceptions. I'm talking about what is true for most people, not all of them.

So what natural qualities make a man more capable of leading and a woman less so? And how, outside of religious texts, do you feel these assertions are supported?

[Geneviev]

They are different though, and sometimes don't have the right personality to be the authority.

If you read it you would note that where the person grew up and age had a significant effect on the self reported personality traits. Do I need to explain how society and how someone is raised would effect how people self report, nor on the fact that this seems to have a great deal to do with nurture, not nature?

I would say that they do still have the traits, even if it's caused by the way they were raised.

I do know that there are exceptions. I'm talking about what is true for most people, not all of them.

So what natural qualities make a man more capable of leading and a woman less so? And how, outside of religious texts, do you feel these assertions are supported?

Men are usually more dominant, and women are more caring. And here's the personality differences again. I found that it's very difficult to find articles if you don't remember the title, so I won't go to that effort again for a while.

[Jedi Council]

I think we are missing a bigger point here; why does there even need to be a "leader" in a marriage? A marriage is not something that necessarily requires a leader, nor does it require authority on the part of one over the other.

So do women, albeit different sort of than males.

They are different though, and sometimes don't have the right personality to be the authority.

Your logic opens the door to a whole host of issues.

Saying men are generally more capable than women is the definition of a sexist remark.

We do not accept such broad generalizations based on race, why should we do so for sex?

[Ifreann]

I think we are missing a bigger point here; why does there even need to be a "leader" in a marriage? A marriage is not something that necessarily requires a leader, nor does it require authority on the part of one over the other.

Because God said so.

[Jedi Council]

I think we are missing a bigger point here; why does there even need to be a "leader" in a marriage? A marriage is not something that necessarily requires a leader, nor does it require authority on the part of one over the other.

Because God said so.

Clearly he has never been in a marriage

[Necroghastia]

If you read it you would note that where the person grew up and age had a significant effect on the self reported personality traits. Do I need to explain how society and how someone is raised would effect how people self report, nor on the fact that this seems to have a great deal to do with nurture, not nature?

I would say that they do still have the traits, even if it's caused by the way they were raised.

So what natural qualities make a man more capable of leading and a woman less so? And how, outside of religious texts, do you feel these assertions are supported?

Men are usually more dominant, and women are more caring. And here's the personality differences again. I found that it's very difficult to find articles if you don't remember the title, so I won't go to that effort again for a while.

That sounds like a point in favor of women being more qualified leaders than men.

[Antityranicals]

I think we are missing a bigger point here; why does there even need to be a "leader" in a marriage? A marriage is not something that necessarily requires a leader, nor does it require authority on the part of one over the other.

CS Lewis, when asked on the question, essentially stated that he believes that the so-called headship of the man is in most ways more of an ambassador position than a leader position as we typically think of one. CS Lewis, in fact, stated that much of the reason why men usually ought have this position is that they are less, not more, overprotective of their family.

[Jedi Council]

I think we are missing a bigger point here; why does there even need to be a "leader" in a marriage? A marriage is not something that necessarily requires a leader, nor does it require authority on the part of one over the other.

CS Lewis, when asked on the question, essentially stated that he believes that the so-called headship of the man is in most ways more of an ambassador position than a leader position as we typically think of one. CS Lewis, in fact, stated that much of the reason why men usually ought have this position is that they are less, not more, overprotective of their family.

And the guy who wrote Narnia is the fount of all familial wisdom?

[Antityranicals]

CS Lewis, when asked on the question, essentially stated that he believes that the so-called headship of the man is in most ways more of an ambassador position than a leader position as we typically think of one. CS Lewis, in fact, stated that much of the reason why men usually ought have this position is that they are less, not more, overprotective of their family.

And the guy who wrote Narnia is the font of all familial wisdom?

And I imagine you've never read anything from him BUT Narnia..?

[Jedi Council]

And the guy who wrote Narnia is the font of all familial wisdom?

And I imagine you've never read anything from him BUT Narnia..?

I was being flippant

[Geneviev]

I think we are missing a bigger point here; why does there even need to be a "leader" in a marriage? A marriage is not something that necessarily requires a leader, nor does it require authority on the part of one over the other.

They are different though, and sometimes don't have the right personality to be the authority.

Your logic opens the door to a whole host of issues.

Saying men are generally more capable than women is the definition of a sexist remark.

We do not accept such broad generalizations based on race, why should we do so for sex?

They are not more capable than women. Not at all. They just have different roles, and there are exceptions to the specific gender.

[Antityranicals]

And I imagine you've never read anything from him BUT Narnia..?

I was being flippant

Ah. Anyway, I think that any good Catholic would agree that men should not flaunt or abuse their familial headship.

[Geneviev]

CS Lewis, when asked on the question, essentially stated that he believes that the so-called headship of the man is in most ways more of an ambassador position than a leader position as we typically think of one. CS Lewis, in fact, stated that much of the reason why men usually ought have this position is that they are less, not more, overprotective of their family.

And the guy who wrote Narnia is the fount of all familial wisdom?

They are admittedly very good books.

[Jedi Council]

I was being flippant

Ah. Anyway, I think that any good Catholic would agree that men should not flaunt or abuse their familial headship.

I find the concept of familial headship automatically being conferred upon men to be pretty unacceptable.

Frankly, I find the concept of familial headship itself unacceptable

[Albrenia]

Ah. Anyway, I think that any good Catholic would agree that men should not flaunt or abuse their familial headship.

I find the concept of familial headship automatically being conferred upon men to be pretty unacceptable.

Frankly, I find the concept of familial headship itself unacceptable

Particularly if mandated from a higher authority. Seems ripe for abuse if people have the justification of 'God says I'm the head of the household'.

[Antityranicals]

Ah. Anyway, I think that any good Catholic would agree that men should not flaunt or abuse their familial headship.

I find the concept of familial headship automatically being conferred upon men to be pretty unacceptable.

Frankly, I find the concept of familial headship itself unacceptable

Well, yes, as you indicate, 99.9% of the time, the concept of a head of a family is rather useless. Basically, what it comes down to is that if a neighbor's baseball goes through your family's window, the men should, by default, be the ones to handle the problem. If the women do so instead, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just not the typical arrangement.

[Daves Computer]

So what natural qualities make a man more capable of leading and a woman less so? And how, outside of religious texts, do you feel these assertions are supported?

Men are usually more dominant, and women are more caring. And here's the personality differences again. I found that it's very difficult to find articles if you don't remember the title, so I won't go to that effort again for a while.

If this is the most convincing evidence you can muster, don't bother going through that effort to find any more. It's an interesting read, but it fails to support your assertions. The study does suggest there are personality differences between men and women (though the traits don't translate to the sort you're necessarily talking about), it also explains that these divides aren't significant in any way to suggest that these traits are inherent to one gender or the other. And the study clarifies that these differences may not be a result of our nature, but rather the culture we were raised in. Your evidence fails to demonstrate why men are more natural leaders because it not only suggests that certain characteristics can be a result of our culture and how we're raised, but because nothing points to men having more leadership qualities than women.

A part of the conclusion:

Does this mean, however, that Bill Cosby’s metaphor, that men and women are from “different species,” is apt? We would caution against adopting such a dramatic interpretation of the pervasive gender differences in personality that we report in this study. All of the mean differences we found (and all of the differences that have been found in the past – e.g., Feingold, 1994; Costa et al., 2001) are small to moderate. This means that the distributions of traits for men and women are largely overlapping. To illustrate this fact, in Figure 10 we present the male and female distributions from our sample for the trait which showed the largest gender difference, Agreeableness. One can see that both men and women can be found across a similar range of Agreeableness scores, such that, despite the fact that women score higher than men on average, there are many men who are more agreeable than many women, and many women who are less agreeable than many men. Given that Agreeableness showed the largest gender difference in our study, all other traits for which we reported significant gender differences would show even greater overlap in men’s and women’s distributions. Although the mean differences in personality between genders may be important in shaping human experience and human culture, they are probably not so large as to preclude effective communication between men and women. Unlike Bill Cosby, we are optimistic that any difficulties in communication between men and women are due primarily to cultural norms that are amenable to change, rather than to differences in basic personality traits, which are much more difficult to change.

[Jedi Council]

I find the concept of familial headship automatically being conferred upon men to be pretty unacceptable.

Frankly, I find the concept of familial headship itself unacceptable

Well, yes, as you indicate, 99.9% of the time, the concept of a head of a family is rather useless. Basically, what it comes down to is that if a neighbor's baseball goes through your family's window, the men should, by default, be the ones to handle the problem. If the women do so instead, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just not the typical arrangement.

Why is that typically a man's job?

[The Islands of Versilia]

Well, yes, as you indicate, 99.9% of the time, the concept of a head of a family is rather useless. Basically, what it comes down to is that if a neighbor's baseball goes through your family's window, the men should, by default, be the ones to handle the problem. If the women do so instead, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just not the typical arrangement.

Why is that typically a man's job?

Western, particularly American, concepts of masculinity are to blame for that belief.