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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 5:10 pm

Dylar wrote:
La xinga wrote:That's a tricky subject, I don't want to say what my religion is, even though it's pretty easy to figure it out.

Why not? It'd make this conversation go so much easier

I'd rather not, but just look below. I've also been sitting at this screen for 4 hours, so...good night!
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La xinga wrote:Who are you? I've never seen you in October? Were you that Poland dude? I'm REALLY confused.
That's a tricky subject, I don't want to say what my religion is, even though it's pretty easy to figure it out.


Considering the fact that you keep saying G_d, that'd put you in one of the Jewish variants... which is surprising, as they're usually among the more scientifically forward-thinking folk I've known. What's your excuse?

i'm confused. What are you trying to say?
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La xinga wrote:Yes, but you at least don't make fun of them, right?


When it comes up, I'm comfortable with it. I don't believe them particularly sacred. They're just people I dislike.

Dislike for what?
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La xinga wrote:Who are you? I've never seen you in October? Were you that Poland dude? I'm REALLY confused.
That's a tricky subject, I don't want to say what my religion is, even though it's pretty easy to figure it out.


Christian Isis?

He was some Polish nation that was not happy with me and argued until Lerasi broke it up, but who are you? Kampf? The Restoration of Kaiser guy? Great Alger?
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Postby Zinoca » Sun May 17, 2020 5:11 pm

yes religion should be taught in school because it would be able to give you an understanding of others and where they see things, BUT from a unbiased way. :)

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 17, 2020 5:12 pm

Zinoca wrote:yes religion should be taught in school because it would be able to give you an understanding of others and where they see things, BUT from a unbiased way. :)

What about cults? They can be religions...
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Postby Kernen » Sun May 17, 2020 5:13 pm

La xinga wrote:
When it comes up, I'm comfortable with it. I don't believe them particularly sacred. They're just people I dislike.

Dislike for what?

Them, obviously.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun May 17, 2020 5:14 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Zinoca wrote:yes religion should be taught in school because it would be able to give you an understanding of others and where they see things, BUT from a unbiased way. :)

What about cults? They can be religions...

Aww... why'd you have to go and ruin your post-count like that?
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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 5:14 pm

Kernen wrote:
La xinga wrote:Dislike for what?

Them, obviously.

I'm still confused why?
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Postby Dylar » Sun May 17, 2020 5:14 pm

Godular wrote:
Dylar wrote:Unfortunately most of my family has stories similar to this. Not quite as bad, but still...


Even larger amounts of... Damn...

There's a part of me that just boggles at how it can even remotely calculate in folks to torment their children that way and feel at all justified in the doing.

Well, the others aren't child abuse levels of bad (well except for a small number but I'm definitely not talking about those. Ever.) but they're still depressing to hear.

Anyway, back to the topic. I wouldn't mind religion being taught in public schools. But since I'm an American and I wholeheartedly support the Constitution, I believe that they should be taught in a secular way and they should be taught in high schools and colleges. Which is exactly what it's like in my specific school district in Indy. If people want their kid to learn about their religion from their religion's point of view, then they should either enroll their child in a private school that is a part of their religion, or have their church/mosque/synagogue teach them over the weekend. Or, just have the parents teach their own kids themselves.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 17, 2020 5:15 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:What about cults? They can be religions...

Aww... why'd you have to go and ruin your post-count like that?

In a few more years I will reach a much better number 66666
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Postby Ard al Islam » Sun May 17, 2020 5:16 pm

Well, of course. Secular school systems shouldn't promote them as truth, but it's important to understand the world around us, and part of that is what people think. So it's important to know the beliefs of other people. Students should be taught the basic beliefs of the major religions.
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Postby Kernen » Sun May 17, 2020 5:16 pm

La xinga wrote:
Kernen wrote:Them, obviously.

I'm still confused why?

I'm not sure what makes you think you, a perfect stranger, get to know that on a public forum.
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Postby Godular » Sun May 17, 2020 5:16 pm

La xinga wrote:
Godular wrote:
Considering the fact that you keep saying G_d, that'd put you in one of the Jewish variants... which is surprising, as they're usually among the more scientifically forward-thinking folk I've known. What's your excuse?

i'm confused. What are you trying to say?


You are demonstrating signs that your faith is that of Judaism, or some variant thereof. The Jewish folk that I've known before have tended towards being very well read and scientifically literate, if not actual scientists themselves. I would not have pegged any for being creationist, or even remotely as virulent in their beliefs as one such as yourself.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 5:16 pm

Eh.....GOOD NIGHT NSG!
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 17, 2020 5:18 pm

Godular wrote:
La xinga wrote:i'm confused. What are you trying to say?


You are demonstrating signs that your faith is that of Judaism, or some variant thereof. The Jewish folk that I've known before have tended towards being very well read and scientifically literate, if not actual scientists themselves. I would not have pegged any for being creationist, or even remotely as virulent in their beliefs as one such as yourself.

There are sects of Judaism that are just as bad as any of the Christian cults you find. I know one of them is in Israel
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Postby Dylar » Sun May 17, 2020 5:19 pm

Godular wrote:
La xinga wrote:i'm confused. What are you trying to say?


You are demonstrating signs that your faith is that of Judaism, or some variant thereof. The Jewish folk that I've known before have tended towards being very well read and scientifically literate, if not actual scientists themselves. I would not have pegged any for being creationist, or even remotely as virulent in their beliefs as one such as yourself.

I actually figured that he was some form of Protestant. At first I was thinking Seventh-Day Adventist, but I haven't really seen him go on a tirade of why the Catholic Church is the Anti-Christ in Revelation
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Postby Godular » Sun May 17, 2020 5:20 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Godular wrote:
You are demonstrating signs that your faith is that of Judaism, or some variant thereof. The Jewish folk that I've known before have tended towards being very well read and scientifically literate, if not actual scientists themselves. I would not have pegged any for being creationist, or even remotely as virulent in their beliefs as one such as yourself.

There are sects of Judaism that are just as bad as any of the Christian cults you find. I know one of them is in Israel


Welp, just goes to show that douchebaggery is irrespective of religion.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 5:20 pm

Godular wrote:
La xinga wrote:i'm confused. What are you trying to say?


You are demonstrating signs that your faith is that of Judaism, or some variant thereof. The Jewish folk that I've known before have tended towards being very well read and scientifically literate, if not actual scientists themselves. I would not have pegged any for being creationist, or even remotely as virulent in their beliefs as one such as yourself.

Ok, you're right, you guessed it, you got it. The only thing I have against science is time, that's it. It's possible the big bang could've happened, as the Gemara (Talmud) does say there were other worlds, but G-d destroyed them. Does this mean dinos existed and G-d sent and asteroid to destroy em', I don't know.
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Postby Godular » Sun May 17, 2020 5:21 pm

Dylar wrote:
Godular wrote:
You are demonstrating signs that your faith is that of Judaism, or some variant thereof. The Jewish folk that I've known before have tended towards being very well read and scientifically literate, if not actual scientists themselves. I would not have pegged any for being creationist, or even remotely as virulent in their beliefs as one such as yourself.

I actually figured that he was some form of Protestant. At first I was thinking Seventh-Day Adventist, but I haven't really seen him go on a tirade of why the Catholic Church is the Anti-Christ in Revelation


I've seen little if any comment on Jesus, if I recall correctly, and the G_d thing isn't oft encountered elsewhere. Are there any Christian sects that do that?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 17, 2020 5:22 pm

La xinga wrote:
Godular wrote:
You are demonstrating signs that your faith is that of Judaism, or some variant thereof. The Jewish folk that I've known before have tended towards being very well read and scientifically literate, if not actual scientists themselves. I would not have pegged any for being creationist, or even remotely as virulent in their beliefs as one such as yourself.

Ok, you're right, you guessed it, you got it. The only thing I have against science is time, that's it. It's possible the big bang could've happened, as the Gemara (Talmud) does say there were other worlds, but G-d destroyed them. Does this mean dinos existed and G-d sent and asteroid to destroy em', I don't know.

...I am Jewish or rather was raised Jewish, I have friends who are orthodox Jews. Neither your language nor your claims are representative of typical orthodox Jews.
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Postby Dylar » Sun May 17, 2020 5:23 pm

Godular wrote:
Dylar wrote:I actually figured that he was some form of Protestant. At first I was thinking Seventh-Day Adventist, but I haven't really seen him go on a tirade of why the Catholic Church is the Anti-Christ in Revelation


I've seen little if any comment on Jesus, if I recall correctly, and the G_d thing isn't oft encountered elsewhere. Are there any Christian sects that do that?

I think so, but I can't really think of any specific denomination/cult that does. But since he proved your answer right, the point is moot.
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Postby Godular » Sun May 17, 2020 5:24 pm

La xinga wrote:
Godular wrote:
You are demonstrating signs that your faith is that of Judaism, or some variant thereof. The Jewish folk that I've known before have tended towards being very well read and scientifically literate, if not actual scientists themselves. I would not have pegged any for being creationist, or even remotely as virulent in their beliefs as one such as yourself.

Ok, you're right, you guessed it, you got it. The only thing I have against science is time, that's it. It's possible the big bang could've happened, as the Gemara (Talmud) does say there were other worlds, but G-d destroyed them. Does this mean dinos existed and G-d sent and asteroid to destroy em', I don't know.


What's the issue with science and time? You're still going with the idea of creationism presented in Genesis as if it is literally true?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 17, 2020 5:25 pm

So hat are people's opinion on teaching about cults? Do you think it can be done in an unbiased way? Do you think it should be taught about in schools to protect children?
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Postby Dylar » Sun May 17, 2020 5:27 pm

Neutraligon wrote:So hat are people's opinion on teaching about cults? Do you think it can be done in an unbiased way? Do you think it should be taught about in schools to protect children?

Depends on how we define cult. For instance I define Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons as Christian Cults rather than denominations.
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 17, 2020 5:27 pm

Dylar wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:So hat are people's opinion on teaching about cults? Do you think it can be done in an unbiased way? Do you think it should be taught about in schools to protect children?

Depends on how we define cult. For instance I define Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons as Christian Cults rather than denominations.

BITE model maybe? I do not think that cult is black or white.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun May 17, 2020 5:27 pm

Godular wrote:
Dylar wrote:I actually figured that he was some form of Protestant. At first I was thinking Seventh-Day Adventist, but I haven't really seen him go on a tirade of why the Catholic Church is the Anti-Christ in Revelation


I've seen little if any comment on Jesus, if I recall correctly, and the G_d thing isn't oft encountered elsewhere. Are there any Christian sects that do that?

I've generally avoided talk on that, you now see why.
Neutraligon wrote:
La xinga wrote:Ok, you're right, you guessed it, you got it. The only thing I have against science is time, that's it. It's possible the big bang could've happened, as the Gemara (Talmud) does say there were other worlds, but G-d destroyed them. Does this mean dinos existed and G-d sent and asteroid to destroy em', I don't know.

...I am Jewish or rather was raised Jewish, I have friends who are orthodox Jews. Neither your language nor your claims are representative of typical orthodox Jews.

Rashi? The third sentence in Kedoshim. RASHI says on the words "Ani Hashem Elokeichem":

"You should not listen to your parents if they contradict G-d's word. What is fear? Don't sit in his place, don't don't speak in his place, and don't contradict his word. What does respect mean? Giving him food and drink, getting him dressed and putting on his shoes, escorting him in and escorting him out.
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